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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:59 pm    Post subject:

awwww. him winna winna
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:59 pm    Post subject:

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Giannis is a horrible GM lol.


Milwaukee literally was the only team with any resistance to Foston but now that they've shipped their championship winning guard to Foston, no team is going to stop Foston from returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.

If they could roll the East with their starting center out, they could probably do it even with Tatum or Brown out because they're so deep. They have like a 90% of returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.
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Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Facts. DA is who appointed Stevens. Ainge built the whole damn thing.


Nah they wouldn't be championship good with Ainge. Maybe playoff - 2nd round level. Ainge went for the "third star" paradigm and continuously failed, even when his teams were favored to win.

Stevens exploited the spacing and analytics meta and no team was able to counter it. He got them White, Jrue and Porzingis, who in my estimation are the heroes of this series.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:01 pm    Post subject:

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These Finals did not help Kyrie's optics at all.
But let's trade for him at 32 years of age and keep this party going lol.
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Giannis is a horrible GM lol.


Milwaukee literally was the only team with any resistance to Foston but now that they've shipped their championship winning guard to Foston, no team is going to stop Foston from returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.

If they could roll the East with their starting center out, they could probably do it even with Tatum or Brown out because they're so deep. They have like a 90% of returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.


Giannis is a low key douche.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:01 pm    Post subject:

I thought Ainge drafted Brown and Tatum and hired Brad?

Didn't Ainge also trade Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to the Nets for a bunch of first round picks and he also traded down with Philly to draft Tatum?

I'll take Ainge over Pelinka.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:02 pm    Post subject:

Glad the Celtics won. Maybe the Lakers FO will finally wake up
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CandyCanes wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
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Giannis is a horrible GM lol.


Milwaukee literally was the only team with any resistance to Foston but now that they've shipped their championship winning guard to Foston, no team is going to stop Foston from returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.

If they could roll the East with their starting center out, they could probably do it even with Tatum or Brown out because they're so deep. They have like a 90% of returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.


Giannis is a low key douche.


Him and Embiid plays the similar baiting for foul game. But we are running out of teams in the east to root for LOL
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These Finals did not help Kyrie's optics at all.
But let's trade for him at 32 years of age and keep this party going lol.



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I thought Ainge drafted Brown and Tatum and hired Brad?

I'll take Ainge over Pelinka.


Ainge laid down the foundation, Steven’s acquisition of Holiday and Porzingis pushed the team over the top.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Well these playoffs sucked and this was a flukey run by Foston. But the east will likely keep sucking, so maybe they do run the gauntlet again. Who knows.

With that said if someone has to lose to Foston, I’m glad that it’s the rogues gallery of absolute clowns that is Kyrie Irving Mark Cuban Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:04 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Talk about coincidences, Ainge decided to trade 36 year-old Garnett and 35 year-old Pierce after the Celtics got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs and after losing in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. This was a roster that also had Rondo in his prime and young Avery Bradley and Jeff Green, and Jason Terry.

Ainge gave the championship core several chances to win again, but he knew that Garnett and Pierce probably couldn't win it all after the 1st round exit. He found a Nets team with new owners syndrome and the rest is history.

The new Celtics have only missed one playoffs after trading Garnett and Pierce.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Denny_Russo wrote:
Hard_Butter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Facts. DA is who appointed Stevens. Ainge built the whole damn thing.


Nah they wouldn't be championship good with Ainge. Maybe playoff - 2nd round level. Ainge went for the "third star" paradigm and continuously failed, even when his teams were favored to win.

Stevens exploited the spacing and analytics meta and no team was able to counter it. He got them White, Jrue and Porzingis, who in my estimation are the heroes of this series.

Understand my point. DA STARTED IT. Stevens stayed with the program Danny started.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:05 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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Lakersfan1211 wrote:
Giannis is a horrible GM lol.


Milwaukee literally was the only team with any resistance to Foston but now that they've shipped their championship winning guard to Foston, no team is going to stop Foston from returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.

If they could roll the East with their starting center out, they could probably do it even with Tatum or Brown out because they're so deep. They have like a 90% of returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.


Giannis is a low key douche.


He'd better win more championships to justify his "GM" status...lol. At least Lebron has won 4 championships.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:05 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Let it be known that Magic indirectly helped the Celtics by drafting Lonzo Ball over Jayson Tatum.....
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These Finals did not help Kyrie's optics at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:06 pm    Post subject:

bluehill wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Talk about coincidences, Ainge decided to trade 36 year-old Garnett and 35 year-old Pierce after the Celtics got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs and after losing in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. This was a roster that also had Rondo in his prime and young Avery Bradley and Jeff Green, and Jason Terry.

Ainge gave the championship core several chances to win again, but he knew that Garnett and Pierce probably couldn't win it all after the 1st round exit. He found a Nets team with new owners syndrome and the rest is history.

The new Celtics have only missed one playoffs after trading Garnett and Pierce.


Ainge’s ruthlessness is exactly a GM needs. If current core not working, cut the loss quick and move onto the next core. Lakers on the other hand will baby their old stars until they play with walkers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:07 pm    Post subject:

Worst season since 2008.

How about that Kyrie…is LeGM still wanting to play with him?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:08 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
I thought Ainge drafted Brown and Tatum and hired Brad?

Didn't Ainge also trade Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to the Nets for a bunch of first round picks and he also traded down with Philly to draft Tatum?

I'll take Ainge over Pelinka.
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I thought Ainge drafted Brown and Tatum and hired Brad?

I'll take Ainge over Pelinka.


Ainge laid down the foundation, Steven’s acquisition of Holiday and Porzingis pushed the team over the top.


That's my assessment too. It's a bit like the Warriors going from Marc Jackson to Steve Kerr. Ainge went for the big names (Kyrie, Hayward, etc), while Brad sought the championship-tier "role players" that put them over the top (Jrue, Porzingis, White).

I do agree that Ainge deserves credit for drafting, but Stevens put them over the top with his genius mind. He understood that it's not necessarily about star-power but also analytics, cohesion, spacing and chemistry. That's what separates him from Ainge. Plu, he was able to convince Portland into taking 2 injury prone players for Jrue. He's just as good of a salesman as he is a GM. He managed to get Porzingis without giving up a FRP too.
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SGV-Laker fan wrote:
bluehill wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Talk about coincidences, Ainge decided to trade 36 year-old Garnett and 35 year-old Pierce after the Celtics got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs and after losing in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. This was a roster that also had Rondo in his prime and young Avery Bradley and Jeff Green, and Jason Terry.

Ainge gave the championship core several chances to win again, but he knew that Garnett and Pierce probably couldn't win it all after the 1st round exit. He found a Nets team with new owners syndrome and the rest is history.

The new Celtics have only missed one playoffs after trading Garnett and Pierce.


Ainge’s ruthlessness is exactly a GM needs. If current core not working, cut the loss quick and move onto the next core. Lakers on the other hand will baby their old stars until they play with walkers.


His tactics needed 16 years between championships. Over 10 years to a championship after hiring Stevens. Lakers went 10 years between championships, and 4 years since their last championship. If the Lakers win a championship in less than 16 years between rings, did they do better than Ainge?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:09 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
bluehill wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Talk about coincidences, Ainge decided to trade 36 year-old Garnett and 35 year-old Pierce after the Celtics got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs and after losing in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. This was a roster that also had Rondo in his prime and young Avery Bradley and Jeff Green, and Jason Terry.

Ainge gave the championship core several chances to win again, but he knew that Garnett and Pierce probably couldn't win it all after the 1st round exit. He found a Nets team with new owners syndrome and the rest is history.

The new Celtics have only missed one playoffs after trading Garnett and Pierce.


Ainge’s ruthlessness is exactly a GM needs. If current core not working, cut the loss quick and move onto the next core. Lakers on the other hand will baby their old stars until they play with walkers.


Yea, I love ruthlessness in a GM. It would definitely give the Lakers a new image though. He showed Paul Pierce zero love...lol. As long as his decisions make the franchise better, then I'm all for it.

Loved the way he fleeced the Wolves for Gobert. Pelinka should be more like that.
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
SGV-Laker fan wrote:
bluehill wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Brad Stevens, genius.
Hats off to him for putting this amazing roster together.

It started with Danny Ainge.


Talk about coincidences, Ainge decided to trade 36 year-old Garnett and 35 year-old Pierce after the Celtics got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs and after losing in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. This was a roster that also had Rondo in his prime and young Avery Bradley and Jeff Green, and Jason Terry.

Ainge gave the championship core several chances to win again, but he knew that Garnett and Pierce probably couldn't win it all after the 1st round exit. He found a Nets team with new owners syndrome and the rest is history.

The new Celtics have only missed one playoffs after trading Garnett and Pierce.


Ainge’s ruthlessness is exactly a GM needs. If current core not working, cut the loss quick and move onto the next core. Lakers on the other hand will baby their old stars until they play with walkers.


His tactics needed 16 years between championships. Over 10 years to a championship after hiring Stevens. Lakers went 10 years between championships, and 4 years since their last championship. If the Lakers win a championship in less than 16 years between rings, did they do better than Ainge?


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lakersfever714 wrote:
Lakersfan1211 wrote:
Giannis is a horrible GM lol.


Milwaukee literally was the only team with any resistance to Foston but now that they've shipped their championship winning guard to Foston, no team is going to stop Foston from returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.

If they could roll the East with their starting center out, they could probably do it even with Tatum or Brown out because they're so deep. They have like a 90% of returning to the NBA Finals next year imo.


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