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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Best Lakers Championship Team |
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Texas_Pete wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I was re-watching a documentary on the 1986-87 Lakers team. What a beautiful squad. That just got me thinking, what do we consider as the best Lakers teams all-time? Here are my candidates:
1986-87: Magic/Worthy/KAJ, with Byron/AC/Coop/Thompson off the bench. I think this is such a versatile and deep team.
2000-01: Shaq/Kobe. Nuff' said with that dynamic duo.
1984-85: younger version of that 86-87 team (in terms of Magic/Worth/KAJ).
2009-10: Kobe/Pau, with really strong role support in guys like Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Nostalgically, one of my favorite teams, especially b/c we beat the Celtics.
1981-82: an earlier iteration of Showtime with Nixon/Wilkes joining Magic/KAJ.
1971-72: an aging Wilt, but dominant duo of West/Goodrich in the backcourt.
My personal top two (in order) are the 1986-87 squad, then 2000-01.
What are yours, and am I missing some? |
87 Lakers all day long. GOAT champions:
87 Lakers
01 Lakers
17-18 Dubs
86 Celtics
96 Bulls
In that order |
The defense from Chicago though is for sure the greatest defensive team ever. That high press turned a 60 win Orlando team that made the finals a year prior into looking like a JV team that could barely bring the ball up halfcourt. |
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cycl0nus Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Best Lakers Championship Team |
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1995Lakers wrote: | Texas_Pete wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I was re-watching a documentary on the 1986-87 Lakers team. What a beautiful squad. That just got me thinking, what do we consider as the best Lakers teams all-time? Here are my candidates:
1986-87: Magic/Worthy/KAJ, with Byron/AC/Coop/Thompson off the bench. I think this is such a versatile and deep team.
2000-01: Shaq/Kobe. Nuff' said with that dynamic duo.
1984-85: younger version of that 86-87 team (in terms of Magic/Worth/KAJ).
2009-10: Kobe/Pau, with really strong role support in guys like Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Nostalgically, one of my favorite teams, especially b/c we beat the Celtics.
1981-82: an earlier iteration of Showtime with Nixon/Wilkes joining Magic/KAJ.
1971-72: an aging Wilt, but dominant duo of West/Goodrich in the backcourt.
My personal top two (in order) are the 1986-87 squad, then 2000-01.
What are yours, and am I missing some? |
87 Lakers all day long. GOAT champions:
87 Lakers
01 Lakers
17-18 Dubs
86 Celtics
96 Bulls
In that order |
The defense from Chicago though is for sure the greatest defensive team ever. That high press turned a 60 win Orlando team that made the finals a year prior into looking like a JV team that could barely bring the ball up halfcourt. |
because of this, i think that's why 87 gets taken a notch. i dont recall anyone outside of magic and coop that could handle the ball. 91 and pip's defense showed why magic wasn't going to be successful.
that's why 01 is the team for me that could take out those bulls. kobe, harp, fish, bshaw, lue, and fox all could handle the ball. and horry, dgeorge, and rider to lesser degree could also handle the ball when trapped. and plus, 01 knew the trapping schemes as they mirrored the 96 traps. and most importantly, 01 had an older more experienced pj, who definitely could handle the 96 bulls of pj and mj. rodman is not stopping shaq; he'd be too busy with grant and horry. 01 is the GOAT |
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Steve007 Franchise Player
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Kblo247! wrote: | oasisdude77 wrote: | ksmgf wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | 2000-2001, Shaq was the most dominant force I have seen in the league. That playoff run is legendary. The fact that they somewhat coasted during the regular season and people said they were done made the playoffs more special. |
The dismantling of the Spurs that year in the WCF was like watching a cheetah take down a gazelle. And Kobe was brilliant that series. |
Kobe owned the Spurs in the that series. I miss those days! |
Didn’t D-Fish come back from injury in the spurs series after missing most of the year and go like 15-20 from 3-point land? He was on fire this series. |
Fisher came back to end the season and start the run.
Yes he shot 75% from three versus the spurs to sweep them, so you died if you were them and doubled Kobe and Shaq.
Fish also played on a fractured foot in the finals and dunked on Iverson lol.
Did I mention that in the close out games of the 4 series, fisher averaged 21 points per game that run? |
A few times on YouTube I read comments from fans confident that the 2001 Milwaukee Bucks would beat that 2001 Laker team. They say Milwaukee swept the season series and had a much tougher offense to stop than the Sixers offense. |
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Best Team of All-Time: 1972 Lakers
Best in 1950's -- 1950 Lakers
Best in 1970's -- 1972 Lakers
Best in 1980's -- 1987 Lakers
Best in 2000's -- 2001 Lakers
Best in 2010's -- 2020 Lakers
JUST-MING wrote: | 1948 (43-17, 8-2)
29 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
28 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
26 year old 6'4" G/F Jack Dwan
25 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1949 (44-16, 8-2)
30 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
29 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
23 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
26 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1950 (51-17, 10-2, 1-0)
24 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
24 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
27 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
21 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
25 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1952 (40-26, 9-4)
26 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
29 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
27 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1953 (48-22, 9-3)
27 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
28 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
30 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
28 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1954 (46-26, 6-4)
28 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 5'11" G Whitey Skoog
31 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
25 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
29 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1972 (69-13, 12-3)
33 year old 6'3" G Jerry West
28 year old 6'1" G Gail Goodrich
23 year old 6'5" F Jim Mcmillian
29 year old 6'7" F/C Happy Hairston
35 year old 7'1" C Wilt Chamberlain
1980 (60-22, 12-4)
20 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
24 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
26 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
30 year old 6'11" F/C Jim Chones
32 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
23 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
1982 (57-25, 12-2)
22 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
28 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
23 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
34 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
25 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
30 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1985 (62-20, 15-4)
25 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
23 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
23 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
26 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
37 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
28 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1987 (65-17, 15-3)
27 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
25 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
25 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
23 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
39 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
30 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
32 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
1988 (62-20, 15-9)
28 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
26 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
24 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
40 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
31 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
2000 (67-15, 15-8)
36 year old 6'6" G Ron Harper
21 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'8" F Glenn Rice
36 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
27 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
29 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2001 (56-26, 15-1)
26 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
22 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
31 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
35 year old 6'10" F/C Horace Grant
28 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
30 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2002 (58-24, 15-4)
27 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
23 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
31 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
29 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
2009 (65-17, 16-7)
34 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
30 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
23 year old 6'8" F Trevor Ariza
28 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
21 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
29 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2010 (57-25, 16-7)
35 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
31 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
30 year old 6'7" F Ron Artest
29 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
22 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
30 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2020 (52-19, 16-5)
33 year old 6'1" G Rajon Rondo
32 year old 6'6" G/F Danny Green
35 year old 6'9" F Lebron James
26 year old 6'10" F/C Anthony Davis
34 year old 6'10" C Dwight Howard
25 year old 6'4" G Alex Caruso
26 year old 6'5" G/F Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
24 year old 6'9" F Kyle Kuzma
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cycl0nus Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Best Team of All-Time: 1972 Lakers
Best in 1950's -- 1950 Lakers
Best in 1970's -- 1972 Lakers
Best in 1980's -- 1987 Lakers
Best in 2000's -- 2001 Lakers
Best in 2010's -- 2020 Lakers
JUST-MING wrote: | 1948 (43-17, 8-2)
29 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
28 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
26 year old 6'4" G/F Jack Dwan
25 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1949 (44-16, 8-2)
30 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
29 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
23 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
26 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1950 (51-17, 10-2, 1-0)
24 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
24 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
27 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
21 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
25 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1952 (40-26, 9-4)
26 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
29 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
27 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1953 (48-22, 9-3)
27 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
28 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
30 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
28 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1954 (46-26, 6-4)
28 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 5'11" G Whitey Skoog
31 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
25 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
29 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1972 (69-13, 12-3)
33 year old 6'3" G Jerry West
28 year old 6'1" G Gail Goodrich
23 year old 6'5" F Jim Mcmillian
29 year old 6'7" F/C Happy Hairston
35 year old 7'1" C Wilt Chamberlain
1980 (60-22, 12-4)
20 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
24 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
26 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
30 year old 6'11" F/C Jim Chones
32 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
23 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
1982 (57-25, 12-2)
22 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
28 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
23 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
34 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
25 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
30 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1985 (62-20, 15-4)
25 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
23 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
23 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
26 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
37 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
28 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1987 (65-17, 15-3)
27 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
25 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
25 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
23 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
39 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
30 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
32 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
1988 (62-20, 15-9)
28 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
26 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
24 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
40 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
31 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
2000 (67-15, 15-8)
36 year old 6'6" G Ron Harper
21 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'8" F Glenn Rice
36 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
27 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
29 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2001 (56-26, 15-1)
26 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
22 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
31 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
35 year old 6'10" F/C Horace Grant
28 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
30 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2002 (58-24, 15-4)
27 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
23 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
31 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
29 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
2009 (65-17, 16-7)
34 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
30 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
23 year old 6'8" F Trevor Ariza
28 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
21 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
29 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2010 (57-25, 16-7)
35 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
31 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
30 year old 6'7" F Ron Artest
29 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
22 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
30 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2020 (52-19, 16-5)
33 year old 6'1" G Rajon Rondo
32 year old 6'6" G/F Danny Green
35 year old 6'9" F Lebron James
26 year old 6'10" F/C Anthony Davis
34 year old 6'10" C Dwight Howard
25 year old 6'4" G Alex Caruso
26 year old 6'5" G/F Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
24 year old 6'9" F Kyle Kuzma
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Harlemlakerfan Star Player
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I’m biased towards the 86-87 Laker team because, that’s the team that made me become a lakers fan.
The 2009 title team was so much fun.
That 2001 team played at the highest level that I have ever seen. That team was so locked in and dominant. The only undefeated playoff road team in NBA history |
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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Best Lakers Championship Team |
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cycl0nus wrote: | 1995Lakers wrote: | Texas_Pete wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I was re-watching a documentary on the 1986-87 Lakers team. What a beautiful squad. That just got me thinking, what do we consider as the best Lakers teams all-time? Here are my candidates:
1986-87: Magic/Worthy/KAJ, with Byron/AC/Coop/Thompson off the bench. I think this is such a versatile and deep team.
2000-01: Shaq/Kobe. Nuff' said with that dynamic duo.
1984-85: younger version of that 86-87 team (in terms of Magic/Worth/KAJ).
2009-10: Kobe/Pau, with really strong role support in guys like Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Nostalgically, one of my favorite teams, especially b/c we beat the Celtics.
1981-82: an earlier iteration of Showtime with Nixon/Wilkes joining Magic/KAJ.
1971-72: an aging Wilt, but dominant duo of West/Goodrich in the backcourt.
My personal top two (in order) are the 1986-87 squad, then 2000-01.
What are yours, and am I missing some? |
87 Lakers all day long. GOAT champions:
87 Lakers
01 Lakers
17-18 Dubs
86 Celtics
96 Bulls
In that order |
The defense from Chicago though is for sure the greatest defensive team ever. That high press turned a 60 win Orlando team that made the finals a year prior into looking like a JV team that could barely bring the ball up halfcourt. |
because of this, i think that's why 87 gets taken a notch. i dont recall anyone outside of magic and coop that could handle the ball. 91 and pip's defense showed why magic wasn't going to be successful.
that's why 01 is the team for me that could take out those bulls. kobe, harp, fish, bshaw, lue, and fox all could handle the ball. and horry, dgeorge, and rider to lesser degree could also handle the ball when trapped. and plus, 01 knew the trapping schemes as they mirrored the 96 traps. and most importantly, 01 had an older more experienced pj, who definitely could handle the 96 bulls of pj and mj. rodman is not stopping shaq; he'd be too busy with grant and horry. 01 is the GOAT |
Yup any team that can beat the 96 Bulls first has to be able to easily break the trap defense. You compare 96 Orlando to 87 Lakers. Peak Magic vs Peak Penny is not as lopsided as you think when you consider speed, athleticism, ballhandling and ability to break the press. In fact, as blasphemous as it may seem, in many aspects Hardaway was better in certain aspects (speed and athleticism) and those of us that remember Magic and Hardaway remember how good a peak Hardaway was (first team point guard who at the time in 1996 was considered better or equal to Payton and for sure better than Stockton). Than you compare Nick Anderson to Byron Scott. Scott gets the slight edge ballhandling wise but he was no great handler for his position either and he was extremely right hand dominant. Byron was the better player overall but not by much as Nick was a bigger more physical defender and a 38-40% three ball shooter. Watching Worthy dribble (as well as shoot 3s) was not a good experience and was not one of his strong suits to put it lightly. Ditto 3D Dennis Scott who was inferior to Worthy in most aspects except 2, 1 of which he was vastly superior to Worthy: 3 pt shooting and ball handling of which both were pretty bad. 96 Horace Grant is superior to 87 AC Green end of story even though Horace did get injured in the ECF vs Bulls. 96 Shaquille is better than 87 Cap. Bench of the Magic is primarily Brian Shaw, Donald Royal and Jon Koncak whereas the Lakers have primarily Cooper, Rambis and Thompson. 1987 Lakers are vastly superior bench-wise but in terms of additional ball-handlers its Cooper vs Shaw and the one area (probably the only area) Shaw is superior to Cooper is ball-handling |
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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Steve007 wrote: | Kblo247! wrote: | oasisdude77 wrote: | ksmgf wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | 2000-2001, Shaq was the most dominant force I have seen in the league. That playoff run is legendary. The fact that they somewhat coasted during the regular season and people said they were done made the playoffs more special. |
The dismantling of the Spurs that year in the WCF was like watching a cheetah take down a gazelle. And Kobe was brilliant that series. |
Kobe owned the Spurs in the that series. I miss those days! |
Didn’t D-Fish come back from injury in the spurs series after missing most of the year and go like 15-20 from 3-point land? He was on fire this series. |
Fisher came back to end the season and start the run.
Yes he shot 75% from three versus the spurs to sweep them, so you died if you were them and doubled Kobe and Shaq.
Fish also played on a fractured foot in the finals and dunked on Iverson lol.
Did I mention that in the close out games of the 4 series, fisher averaged 21 points per game that run? |
A few times on YouTube I read comments from fans confident that the 2001 Milwaukee Bucks would beat that 2001 Laker team. They say Milwaukee swept the season series and had a much tougher offense to stop than the Sixers offense. |
Thats cute....the 09 Magic won both games vs the Lakers and what happened in the finals????? This is cute and stupid at the same time. |
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Steve007 Franchise Player
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^Funny that reminds me I was worried about the Magic and one reason
was the regular season matchups. I wasn’t sure if Cleveland or Orlando would be the easier opponent. The 2009 Lakers got home court against the Magic, but did better in the regular season against the Cavs. |
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Steve007 Franchise Player
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People are right that Milwaukee had a much better offense and a lot more weapons than the Sixers. And they had Ray Alllen in his prime. I did see people argue Milwaukee was a tough matchup for LA too.
But the Bucks were much weaker defensively. The Sixers were able to just play Mutombo against Shaq and he couldn’t stop Shaq but he did about as well as anybody could and didn’t need to flop like Vlade. The Bucks would have to double Shaq or he would kill them. And if they doubled him the other players would kill them.
It’s an interesting and a very different matchup but picking the Bucks is crazy. Also the 2001 Lakers struggled in the regular season against Portland, Sacramento, San Antonio and Philadelphia too and dominated all those teams in the postseason. |
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