a fan puke on the court, after witnessing the Kings putrid attempt at playing basketball.
the Sacramento Kings had no other options left after that, but to fire Walton. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it."
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go. _________________ Music is my medicine
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
I don't blame Luke too much for not winning in Sacramento, he just inherited a young raw team, which needed a lot of growing up. Same with the Lakers.
If I remember correctly, he had Russell, Ingram, and Randle with the Lakers, all were in their NBA infancy... then he moved to Sac who had Fox, Haliburton, and Bagley (who's dad clashed with Luke)... both 2 talented teams, but too young to be contenders.
still Luke had very nice gigs after his playing career. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it."
Luke is one of my least favorite Laker players AND coaches.
as a player he handicapped the Lakers for years on end with his toxic contract after a overrated season where he just went on a red hot shooting streak for about a month. Overall he was a below average athlete, shooter, defender, rebounder. His one claim to fame was high basketball IQ which rarely materialized on the court but because he was teachers pet to PJ he got so many undeserved minutes. His biggest contribution to the Lakers was going to Phil and telling him that Ariza deserved more minutes than him.
As a coach he was way too hands off and nonchalant for a young team. He did not try to push our young core to greatness which I think is a big reason why they all had a disappointing tenure here. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Is he? The team may be 13-10 at the moment and has some nice young talent in Ball/Bridges, but the season is still young.
During Mitch's first 3 years there, they've had a .433 win % and haven't finished a season over .500 and haven't made the playoffs. Considering the Eastern Conference playoffs for the past 3 seasons have fielded teams at .500 or below, it's hard to say that Mitch has doing anything but a mediocre job to this point.
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Is he? The team may be 13-10 at the moment and has some nice young talent in Ball/Bridges, but the season is still young.
During Mitch's first 3 years there, they've had a .433 win % and haven't finished a season over .500 and haven't made the playoffs. Considering the Eastern Conference playoffs for the past 3 seasons have fielded teams at .500 or below, it's hard to say that Mitch has doing anything but a mediocre job to this point.
This is considered success when Lakers fans are judging other teams
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Is he? The team may be 13-10 at the moment and has some nice young talent in Ball/Bridges, but the season is still young.
During Mitch's first 3 years there, they've had a .433 win % and haven't finished a season over .500 and haven't made the playoffs. Considering the Eastern Conference playoffs for the past 3 seasons have fielded teams at .500 or below, it's hard to say that Mitch has doing anything but a mediocre job to this point.
It takes time to build a squad. They have nice young pieces surround by some solid vets. For the market he's in, he's doing just fine. _________________ Music is my medicine
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Is he? The team may be 13-10 at the moment and has some nice young talent in Ball/Bridges, but the season is still young.
During Mitch's first 3 years there, they've had a .433 win % and haven't finished a season over .500 and haven't made the playoffs. Considering the Eastern Conference playoffs for the past 3 seasons have fielded teams at .500 or below, it's hard to say that Mitch has doing anything but a mediocre job to this point.
This is considered success when Lakers fans are judging other teams
or maybe that's just VLF
What are you talking about? _________________ Music is my medicine
Luke is one of my least favorite Laker players AND coaches.
as a player he handicapped the Lakers for years on end with his toxic contract after a overrated season where he just went on a red hot shooting streak for about a month. Overall he was a below average athlete, shooter, defender, rebounder. His one claim to fame was high basketball IQ which rarely materialized on the court but because he was teachers pet to PJ he got so many undeserved minutes. His biggest contribution to the Lakers was going to Phil and telling him that Ariza deserved more minutes than him.
As a coach he was way too hands off and nonchalant for a young team. He did not try to push our young core to greatness which I think is a big reason why they all had a disappointing tenure here.
if LeBron and Klutch are out of the picture, don't be surprised Jeanie hire Luke back in some type of capacity. she loves those ex-Lakers, especially from Show Time era and Phil Jackson coaching tree.
if LeBron and Klutch are out of the picture, don't be surprised Jeanie hire Luke back in some type of capacity. she loves those ex-Lakers, especially from Show Time era and Phil Jackson coaching tree.
I hope not, he brings nothing. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
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Vancouver Fan wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Mitch is still the best Laker GM since Jerry West. It is no surprise that Charlotte has turned the corner. Best thing that could have happened to him was getting away from the toxic Buss brats. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
None of the coaches Mitch/Jim hired after Phil have head coaching jobs in the NBA right now. Of all of them, probably D'Antoni was the best, and that's not saying much as he's being compared with Scott, Brown and Walton (3 guys who have failed in epic proportions).
Pretty crazy some folks are so quick to want to move on from Vogel, a guy with a proven championship winning/contending level defensive system in 2 places (Indiana never won a ring but contended with his system, and we obviously won). There's level to this coaching thing, and Luke is not there. Not saying Sacto was all his fault, it probably wasn't. But he isn't a coach that can get his team to do anything better. Offense or defense.
Unless we have some elite coaching candidate in the bag, hang on to Vogel by all means. The grass is not always greener. We have one of the best defensive coaches in the league and one of the most level headed leaders in that capacity. He's a good rep. Luke looked all good on the outside, as did guys like Fisher, etc. but in the end they were novice.
Mitch is doing just fine in small market Charlotte.
Luke needed to go.
Mitch is still the best Laker GM since Jerry West. It is no surprise that Charlotte has turned the corner. Best thing that could have happened to him was getting away from the toxic Buss brats.
Absolutely. _________________ Music is my medicine
They've been 48-34, 36-46 and 36-46 the three seasons prior to him taking fully over.
39-43 1st season.
23-42 2nd season.
33-49 3rd full season.
17-17 in 4th season.
In that time, some of the transactions have been to give Gordan Hayward a 4/120M contract.
Other than drafting LaMelo Ball, there hasn't been one move that Mitch has made that made that team significantly better. In 4 years from where he took over for Rich Cho, they are exactly the same mediocre place they were before. Only difference is that they have a very exciting young player in LaMelo Ball. They have not even reached the peak they did in 2015-16 of 48 wins and 34 losses.
I think Mitch did a good job during his first portion of his Laker career, and was a very good negotiator in trades, but by the end he was awful. In Charlotte I agree without Jimmy, I am sure he may make better decisions. But 4 years into a job and you're still exactly where you were record wise when you began ... sorry not impressed.
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