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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:23 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Dinwiddie is a fantastic upgrade over Caruso. | For the role that Caruso is playing, Dinwiddle is not better
Dinwiddie IS better than KCP as the starting PG! |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | Texas_Pete wrote: | Halflife wrote: | Kinda bummed that him coming here is starting to pick up steam |
Que pasa? |
I just don’t know how much of an upgrade he is. |
He's not an upgrade, it's a lateral move at best but it's actually a downgrade. if he saves us cash by not re-signing DS it's an okay move if not it doesn't make much sense |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | roger_federer wrote: | I think Kuz will retire as a laker and even then we will still be looking for trade partners for him |
Wasn't there once a loophole where players could come out of retirement to make trades work? I think they closed the loophole, but otherwise that could be a future career for Kuzma. |
There was...once upon a time, a retired McKie helped Pau become a hermambano...also Keith van Horn gave Cuban a lifeline to bring in Kidd.
But like you said, that loophole has been cemented shut since...so any trade proposals where we S&t Waiters is a no-go. |
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Laker_Jocker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Not a bad consolation/hedge idea for the point guard situation.
If this trade would become a more clear reality, DS would get the message that he needs to take the 4/84 offer, agree to a S&T or will likely take less $$ somewhere else. Depending on that reaction, a more clear decision can then be made on both THT and Caruso in terms of contract size/need.
So, I guess it would come down to terms between the teams and, of course, SD's health but:
A) SD agrees to opt in to his 12m traded for Kuz and a pick = no brainer
B) Dual S&T with DS and SD = Doesn't make much sense for Brooklyn and is a tougher to swallow with the cap implications for the Lakers but does resolve the situation while preserving other assets for other trades and could be an upgrade as far as 3 point shooting - again assuming health.
C) Single S&T for SD using Kuz and other assets = Not worth it in my opinion as the Lakers would essentially giving up multiple assets trading for a duplicative player and in doing so would give DS a huge reason to walk for nothing.
Probably nothing anyway but I guess worth some mid-summer banter... |
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Laker_Jocker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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vasashi17+ wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | roger_federer wrote: | I think Kuz will retire as a laker and even then we will still be looking for trade partners for him |
Wasn't there once a loophole where players could come out of retirement to make trades work? I think they closed the loophole, but otherwise that could be a future career for Kuzma. |
There was...once upon a time, a retired McKie helped Pau become a hermambano...also Keith van Horn gave Cuban a lifeline to bring in Kidd.
But like you said, that loophole has been cemented shut since...so any trade proposals where we S&t Waiters is a no-go. |
I remember the meme at the end of his career: "Player X was traded for Player Y...AND THE CONTRACT of Keith Van Horn" |
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RashardA Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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What's so funny to me is every Laker role player played like complete trash in the playoffs but Kuz is the only one being scapegoated.
What's even more hilarious about the situation is you can make a very strong argument that he had the best regular season of any Laker role player.
I dont think I've ever seen a more toxic relationship between a Laker player and this fan base. _________________ Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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RashardA wrote: | What's so funny to me is every Laker role player played like complete trash in the playoffs but Kuz is the only one being scapegoated.
What's even more hilarious about the situation is you can make a very strong argument that he had the best regular season of any Laker role player.
I dont think I've ever seen a more toxic relationship between a Laker player and this fan base. |
He’s the only one with a contract worth any |
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TDRock Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Now I’m seeing Kemba Walker? I haz confused. How is Kemba’s health these days? LawedT knows we do not need another injury guy on the team LOL
When is free agency? |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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TDRock wrote: | Now I’m seeing Kemba Walker? I haz confused. How is Kemba’s health these days? LawedT knows we do not need another injury guy on the team LOL
When is free agency? |
Fake account tweeted a rumor and people ran with it
No to Kemba.
2021 FA date is 8/2. |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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TDRock wrote: | Now I’m seeing Kemba Walker? I haz confused. How is Kemba’s health these days? LawedT knows we do not need another injury guy on the team LOL
When is free agency? |
There is Twitter acct @thnbacentral saying it’s a done deal. Unfortunately the isn’t spelled th |
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TDRock Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | TDRock wrote: | Now I’m seeing Kemba Walker? I haz confused. How is Kemba’s health these days? LawedT knows we do not need another injury guy on the team LOL
When is free agency? |
Fake account tweeted a rumor and people ran with it
No to Kemba.
2021 FA date is 8/2. |
ah Twitter
Well I am certainly relieved to hear that it is not real LOL. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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A Mad Chinaman wrote: | MJST wrote: | Dinwiddie is a fantastic upgrade over Caruso. | For the role that Caruso is playing, Dinwiddle is not better
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Yes, he is. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | MJST wrote: | Dinwiddie is a fantastic upgrade over Caruso. | For the role that Caruso is playing, Dinwiddle is not better
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Yes, he is. |
Imho he’s not. Caruso guards multiple guys. Has chemistry with our leaders. Doesn’t jibber jabber |
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | MJST wrote: | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | MJST wrote: | Dinwiddie is a fantastic upgrade over Caruso. | For the role that Caruso is playing, Dinwiddle is not better
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Yes, he is. |
Imho he’s not. Caruso guards multiple guys. Has chemistry with our leaders. Doesn’t jibber jabber |
I'd love to see SD's net rating with LeBron.
Cuz Alex and LeBron was at +17.1. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!! |
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lakersfan32 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dinwiddie tore his ACL twice. Nobody is concerned about that? |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:20 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan32 wrote: | Dinwiddie tore his ACL twice. Nobody is concerned about that? |
I am. He’s basically in Oladipo territory…
I would look elsewhere for guard help tbh. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:39 am Post subject: |
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If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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petergr Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:58 am Post subject: |
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So many are seriously discussing this trade for so long ?
It has to be a sign and trade now which is a LOT more difficult to pull than the proposed trade before the trade-deadline. 3 parties need to agree and then Lakers have to deal with hard cap. |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:05 am Post subject: |
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petergr wrote: | So many are seriously discussing this trade for so long ? :-? :-? |
And they'll discuss all the way until free agency begins and when it doesn't materialize, they'll be discussing all the reasons Rob is an idiot for passing on a superstar like Dinwiddie.
This part of the off-season is basically people grasping at straws and reading the tea leaves. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:10 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. |
Don't see how he would "shine" in Brooklyn behind Durant, Harden and Irving.
He'd just be a face in the crowd (not that I think this trade will actually happen.)
For Kuzma to "shine" he'd need to go to a crappy team where he could be the #2 guy -- in that situation, I could see him being a 20 ppg. player for a 30-win team. So, if that's your idea of "shining," sure it could happen. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:11 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. |
Don't see how he would "shine" in Brooklyn behind Durant, Harden and Irving.
He'd just be a face in the crowd (not that I think this trade will actually happen.)
For Kuzma to "shine" he'd need to go to a crappy team where he could be the #2 guy -- in that situation, I could see him being a 20 ppg. player for a 30-win team. So, if that's your idea of "shining," sure it could happen. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:32 am Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | jodeke wrote: | If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. |
Don't see how he would "shine" in Brooklyn behind Durant, Harden and Irving.
He'd just be a face in the crowd (not that I think this trade will actually happen.)
For Kuzma to "shine" he'd need to go to a crappy team where he could be the #2 guy -- in that situation, I could see him being a 20 ppg. player for a 30-win team. So, if that's your idea of "shining," sure it could happen. |
You have a point, but that's not what I mean.
By shine I mean play like he's shown he's capable of. Become more consistent. Kuz hasn't accepted his role here. When he did he played well. A change of scenery may be what he needs. A trade may cause him to see the light. He's not an alpha dog. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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statyin Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | jodeke wrote: | If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. |
Don't see how he would "shine" in Brooklyn behind Durant, Harden and Irving.
He'd just be a face in the crowd (not that I think this trade will actually happen.)
For Kuzma to "shine" he'd need to go to a crappy team where he could be the #2 guy -- in that situation, I could see him being a 20 ppg. player for a 30-win team. So, if that's your idea of "shining," sure it could happen. |
Yeah, that's pretty much what happened with BI, Zo and Julius Randolph. |
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M2K Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Dinwiddie is not worth being hard capped. |
_________________ A three headed monster... Jeannie, Pelinka, and Ham... another terrible season. |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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statyin wrote: | activeverb wrote: | jodeke wrote: | If the trade is made, watch Kuz start to shine like others the Lakers have let go. |
Don't see how he would "shine" in Brooklyn behind Durant, Harden and Irving.
He'd just be a face in the crowd (not that I think this trade will actually happen.)
For Kuzma to "shine" he'd need to go to a crappy team where he could be the #2 guy -- in that situation, I could see him being a 20 ppg. player for a 30-win team. So, if that's your idea of "shining," sure it could happen. |
Yeah, that's pretty much what happened with BI, Zo and Julius Randolph. |
Those guys were all projected to be where they are. Kuz may have already hit his ceiling |
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