Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:46 pm Post subject: Andre Drummond good enough to have Starter Minutes for the Lakers & Max Contract
With Deandre Ayton (along John Collins) showing what is required of today's centers, how can Drummond stay on the court when these players are taking opposing centers to the perimeters and Drummond has continued to not be effective in closing on shots at the rim.
Just as 76ers painfully found out that having a $40M (slightly less) superstar unable to stay on the court at the end of games, what can Drummond provide that would merit his presence in the crunch minutes
When his not getting 10-15 rebounds per game, 3-5 blocks per game and 10-15 point per game - little reasons for him to play 30+MPG (especially at his asking salary of $28M a year - lmao), especially when Drummond says that he doesn't have to add anything to his game
Would he be able to "show" like what Brook Lopez is doing or he can only do a "deep drop" allowing players like Trae Young/CP3 get clean uncontesed teardrop shots?
With AD playing at crunch time, what kind of "center" would be best?
With Gasol possibly retiring and Harrell might consider other pastures, who will be in the FC with AD & LBJ at the end of games
It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.
We never got to see the team together. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.
We never got to see the team together.
Does Drummond have the athletism needed to guard centers like Collins, Lopez and Ayton - otherwise, he won't be in the game
Does Drummond have the offensive CLOSING ability to make opposing centers actually guard him
Does Drummond have the skills and athletic ability to average 10-15 RPG the whole season
Does Drummond have the passing ability to mesh with AD and LBJ, noting how quick Pau meshed with Kobe
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
Because he needs to lose weight.
But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.
Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.
Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??
Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.
I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.
Keep dreaming buddy.
I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".
Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body
Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.
I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".
Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
Because he needs to lose weight.
But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.
Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.
Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??
Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.
I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.
Keep dreaming buddy.
I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".
Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body
Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.
I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".
Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly.
If you think Drummond today in 2021 is 10lbs more than what he was as a college freshman.... hahaha
That's like Shaq listed as 325 in the 2004 season.
It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.
We never got to see the team together.
Does Drummond have the athletism needed to guard centers like Collins, Lopez and Ayton - otherwise, he won't be in the game
Does Drummond have the offensive CLOSING ability to make opposing centers actually guard him
Does Drummond have the skills and athletic ability to average 10-15 RPG the whole season
Does Drummond have the passing ability to mesh with AD and LBJ, noting how quick Pau meshed with Kobe
Athleticism - Yes. The guy led the league in DWS & DRTG twice.
Closing (Finishing?) - Yes. He's a consistent 15-18 PPG guy as a starter.
Rebounding - Please. He's the ALL TIME LEADER IN TOTAL REBOUND % and active leader in RPG (13.7).
Passing - Yes. He was Top-5 in assists by centers in 2017-18.
You cannot judge him based on last season. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
Because he needs to lose weight.
But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.
Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.
Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??
Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.
I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.
Keep dreaming buddy.
I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".
Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body
Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.
I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".
Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly.
If you think Drummond today in 2021 is 10lbs more than what he was as a college freshman.... hahaha
That's like Shaq listed as 325 in the 2004 season.
Some of us, instead of speaking from behind ourselves. Actually do research.
Drummond has been losing weight in the off-seasons leading up to this point.
Back in 2017 he changed up his diet and workout routine and dropped 30 pounds from his heaviest.
From Drummond himself: “I feel fantastic,” Drummond said. “Right now, I’m at 285. I lost 30-something pounds, ballpark. I’m moving faster, jumping higher. I feel great overall. A lot of conditioning this summer to really get myself in tip-top shape."
https://pistonpowered.com/2017/09/27/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond-loses-30-pounds/
So back in 2017 he was 15 pounds off his college weight and felt great.
He followed that up with his two best seasons up until that point.
Near the end of his tenure in Detroit, and when he was traded to Cleveland, his weight also went back up.
But when the Cavs pretty much didn't allow him to play because they were searching for trades or wondering about a buyout. He soent the time off conditioning himself, and trying to lose the weight again. He dropped 10-15 pounds during that time period before he came to the Lakers.
From Drummond himself,
"I used this time to get myself in the best condition possible. I've lost about 10-15 lbs during this time. Right now, I'm probably in the best shape I can be. I'm ready to play today."
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1376628396973727745
Taking him back down to around 280 or less. Which puts him around 10 pounds off his college weight and lighter than he was in 2017.
it has been a gradual process he started in Detroit, and rededicated himself to, during his time off from the Cavs. And now he has an entire off-season to continue striving towards that on a winning team instead of a team like Detroit or Cleveland.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:05 pm Post subject:
Not an Andre Drummond believer. But I didn't believe in Dwight or McGee either. And a healthy LBJ made them look great.
So what do I know. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Thankfully we can't unless all of our other free agents leave for nothing. We have no cap space to give him anything more than the MLE.
That being said, Drummond is absolutely worth the taxpayer MLE ($5.9 Million).
Give him an offseason and preseason to get in game shape and develop chemistry with the team and he'll show his worth one way or another.
I won't assume he'll help us immensely in the playoffs but if he can take most of the center assignments during the regular season and help preserve Davis for the playoffs then it will be money well spent.
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