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Would you rather have Butler + Leonard or just Lebron? |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:09 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | If we have learned anything it is that logic rarely applies. I gave up guessing what these guys would do several years ago, it is a generation that is much different than mine. |
These guys are motivated by so many different and oftentimes undecipherable reasons.
LBJ was the longshot for me and we got him.
PG13 was the surefire guy for me and he chose OKC.
Strange world of FA. |
Very strange. A year ago I thought the same but by May, I thought we had a better shot at Lebron than George. I really wanted both. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LVLAKERFAN Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Kuzma/Ingram.
Jk. I will take LBJ and Durant _________________ SCHROEDER/CARUSO/COOK
MATTHEWS/KCP/THT
LEBRON/KUZMA/BABYGIANIS
AD/MORRIS/DUDLEY
GASOL/HARRELL/TINKLE
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:11 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | If we have learned anything it is that logic rarely applies. I gave up guessing what these guys would do several years ago, it is a generation that is much different than mine. |
These guys are motivated by so many different and oftentimes undecipherable reasons.
LBJ was the longshot for me and we got him.
PG13 was the surefire guy for me and he chose OKC.
Strange world of FA. |
Couldn't agree more! I made the same assumptions.
A big part of my continued reasoning of waiting for FA instead of trading for a player early. Have no clue if he chooses to stay or move to another team.
Now this speculation that the Clippers a viable alternative. I'm either too biased to see it or these players live by the beat of a much different drum. |
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Can't believe y'all losing your mind because Butler didn't put us on his list |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:14 am Post subject: |
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LeBron is a different world of talent and if you add either Klay or Durant, you likely become a Dynasty. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I'd rather have LeBron + Leonard/Thompson/Durant. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: |
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chantruong wrote: | Can't believe y'all losing your mind because Butler didn't put us on his list |
As a FA I would love to sign Butler. But there is virtually no other way to get him prior to mid December. I don’t have a problem with players not wanting to come here, to each his own. We had the chance to get Lebron, we didn’t have the pieces for Leonard and had no chance to get Butler. The old bird in the hand thing. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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CervantesRises Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:28 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | If the notion is Jimmy wants to be the "Man," and that KL too would like to be the "Man" and not under LBJ's shadow, why would these two team up? |
This. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
- Kobe
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I think we need to be honest here.
1. if Butler joined us as a FA in 2019, I'd say most of us would be very pleased. He's an all-NBA player who is very good.
2. however, as would be the case even if we got him, a few things have clearly emerged: 1) he wants to be the unquestioned #1 alpha on the team. Things got dicey with KAT (and Wiggins) b/c they are trying to be the leads of the team. 2) injury concerns. He misses a decent amount of games and seems to have lots of nagging injuries. Plus he has Thibs mileage and will be 30-34 on his next deal.
3. we can't realistcally trade for him without inlcuding both BI/Lonzo, which we won't and shouldn't do.
So it's a bit disingenous to slander Butler all of a sudden b/c he wants out and didn't pick us. But it's also good to know these things about him (alpha lead guy, haven't got along with teammates recently). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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CervantesRises Star Player
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venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | If we have learned anything it is that logic rarely applies. I gave up guessing what these guys would do several years ago, it is a generation that is much different than mine. |
These guys are motivated by so many different and oftentimes undecipherable reasons.
LBJ was the longshot for me and we got him.
PG13 was the surefire guy for me and he chose OKC.
Strange world of FA. |
Very strange. A year ago I thought the same but by May, I thought we had a better shot at Lebron than George. I really wanted both. |
Can you provide evidence? _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
- Kobe
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:35 am Post subject: |
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There was a big 2017-2018 free agency thread. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | If the notion is Jimmy wants to be the "Man," and that KL too would like to be the "Man" and not under LBJ's shadow, why would these two team up? |
That's what I said in the Why Jimmy Butler Could End Up in Los Angeles, But Not with LeBron and the Lakers thread. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Butler is a nice player.
But what is clearly evident now is that he thinks/wants to be the Man. He's not taking a backseat role to anyone so maybe it's good this is happening. Only thing that sucks is that the list of max FAs is getting shorter. | well we dont know if he isnt taking a backseat role to anyone. you can say that when he has never played with anyone that was clearly better than him with championships in tow. |
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Killakobe81 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I think we need to be honest here.
1. if Butler joined us as a FA in 2019, I'd say most of us would be very pleased. He's an all-NBA player who is very good.
2. however, as would be the case even if we got him, a few things have clearly emerged: 1) he wants to be the unquestioned #1 alpha on the team. Things got dicey with KAT (and Wiggins) b/c they are trying to be the leads of the team. 2) injury concerns. He misses a decent amount of games and seems to have lots of nagging injuries. Plus he has Thibs mileage and will be 30-34 on his next deal.
3. we can't realistcally trade for him without inlcuding both BI/Lonzo, which we won't and shouldn't do.
So it's a bit disingenous to slander Butler all of a sudden b/c he wants out and didn't pick us. But it's also good to know these things about him (alpha lead guy, haven't got along with teammates recently). |
Disagree.
1. I did not want PG at max so why would I want one that may be tougher but is a worse shooter and missed more games?
2. He has a lot of miles on that ODO. Just look at Deng and look how quickly those heavy mins caught up to him.
3. I hope he goes to Clips or knicks and leaves a big $30 million salary cap spot on one of our "rivals" for FA's while he misses 12-15 games and is limited due to injury (not wishing injury just rather he collects those checks while he is injured elsewhere)
He is a top 15-20 player just like PG and arguably at least top 10 if you talking as a two-way player ... I conceded that. but he is overrated and will soon be overpaid. Pass, even if in FA if he is asking for $30 million. At $20 we can talk. Otherwise enjoy playing for the "B" team in L.A. |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: |
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If Kyrie manages to mastermind getting himself, Butler and Kawhi to the Clippers it would be a writer's dream. He builds a new generation Big 3 from 3/4 best players from his draft class in their primes just as Lebron did and he does it in the same city as him. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Killakobe81 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think we need to be honest here.
1. if Butler joined us as a FA in 2019, I'd say most of us would be very pleased. He's an all-NBA player who is very good.
2. however, as would be the case even if we got him, a few things have clearly emerged: 1) he wants to be the unquestioned #1 alpha on the team. Things got dicey with KAT (and Wiggins) b/c they are trying to be the leads of the team. 2) injury concerns. He misses a decent amount of games and seems to have lots of nagging injuries. Plus he has Thibs mileage and will be 30-34 on his next deal.
3. we can't realistcally trade for him without inlcuding both BI/Lonzo, which we won't and shouldn't do.
So it's a bit disingenous to slander Butler all of a sudden b/c he wants out and didn't pick us. But it's also good to know these things about him (alpha lead guy, haven't got along with teammates recently). |
Disagree.
1. I did not want PG at max so why would I want one that may be tougher but is a worse shooter and missed more games?
2. He has a lot of miles on that ODO. Just look at Deng and look how quickly those heavy mins caught up to him.
3. I hope he goes to Clips or knicks and leaves a big $30 million salary cap spot on one of our "rivals" for FA's while he misses 12-15 games and is limited due to injury (not wishing injury just rather he collects those checks while he is injured elsewhere)
He is a top 15-20 player just like PG and arguably at least top 10 if you talking as a two-way player ... I conceded that. but he is overrated and will soon be overpaid. Pass, even if in FA if he is asking for $30 million. At $20 we can talk. Otherwise enjoy playing for the "B" team in L.A. |
What are you disagreeing with? It's just #1, and you admit he's still a top 15 player (by virtue of an all NBA slot he should be a top 15 player).
If it's no max FA or Butler (assuming everyone passes), you would be ok with passing on him? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | I'd rather have LeBron + Leonard/Thompson/Durant. |
Who wouldn't? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:58 am Post subject: |
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numero-ocho wrote: | If Kyrie manages to mastermind getting himself, Butler and Kawhi to the Clippers it would be a writer's dream. He builds a new generation Big 3 from 3/4 best players from his draft class in their primes just as Lebron did and he does it in the same city as him. |
I have this same suspicion. Butler + Kyrie or Butler + Kawhi seems too pedestrian to me. But all three sounds like something West would mastermind. Gallinari is the main guy they need to dump. Might take a 1st + 2nd to dump. Otherwise their payroll doesn't look restrictive to three maxes. They have to make a ton to trades to make it happen. It might look doable on paper but if one thing goes wrong it can jeopardize things. I like how we get things out of the way early so we don't put our destiny in the hands of other teams.
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I’d rather have Spencer Dinwiddie. 😝 |
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Lebron Ingram Kuz and Zo is just fine with me |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: |
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For me the list has been:
1. KL
2. KD
3. Klay or Butler
Just don't like having options possibly disappear as this may be the last summer we have max cap space for a while. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | If the notion is Jimmy wants to be the "Man," and that KL too would like to be the "Man" and not under LBJ's shadow, why would these two team up? |
They're not threatened by each other as much as Lebron would threaten them. They see each other and say, "What's up, it's all good! We gonna do this together. It don't matter who's the alpha. It's all about the team." Then when they go their separate ways, "Hell yeah, I'm gonna take over this team." |
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:23 am Post subject: |
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The answer is in my signature. _________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:33 am Post subject: |
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1) Kawhi
2) Dimwiddle
3) KD/Butler
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | 1) Kawhi
2) Dimwiddle
3) KD/Butler
for me |
One of those guys is not like the other |
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