Jason Kidd Is On The Trading Block: DO IT MITCH!

lakersboxershorts · Starting Rotation Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 196

Ahhh.. the Kidd talks again. We all been there before. Kidd talks revisted. YES!

1. Kidd is a freak. My inclination would be get him here.

2. It would have to not cost us the nucleus of Kwame, Bynum, Odom, and Kobe. Everyone else is fair game.

3. Kidd would take us over the top easily. The man is a freak! Could you imagine a lineup of Kidd/Kobe/Lamar ???? Thats a triple double threat from each and everyone of those guys every night. YIKES!

4. We would be unstoppable. Ok.. ok.. put down the pipe.

5. It would never happen. David Stern would step in and VETO our trade. NJ would never let it happen. But if Mihm were healthy I'd ship him off to Jersey for Kidd along with other nickles and dimes here and there.

Kapeesh.

J.C. Smith · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 12696

Kidd would be a good fit, and we all know that Phil likes him as he was willing to trade Kobe for him in the past. He's got a huge contract though, but he's still arguably the best point guard in the game all around (Sorry Nash). He is a great rebounder, passer and defender, who can also score.

I think that if New Jersey is willing to move Kidd, then they are also looking at the reality that Carter will probably be leaving next season, likely to Orlando. If they only take on expiring contracts and Carter walks that puts their salary at $42.3 million next season. I'm not sure where the cap will be, I think between $55-60 million so that gives them a lot of wriggle room, they could sign a player coming off their rookie deal to a maximum contract. Or more likely they could try to dump Richardson, as well, and get some draft picks and young players with cheap contracts to try to rebuild. The "big three" hasn't taken them anywhere, they probably realize that their best shot at turning that franchise around is to get rid of those three players and start from scratch.

If that is the case, what could we offer them? Kwame and Vlad wouldn't do it. Vlad has a long term deal, and they have Richardson already. Kwame's salary would ruin any cap dreams they might have in mind. I don't think the Lakers are willing to part with Bynum. So who does that leave who is either on a reasonable contract or in a last year? It leaves Chris Mihm, Aaron Mckie, Shammond Williams, Maurice Evans, Luke Walton, Brian Cook (who has a good contract for what he brings), Smush Parker, and Ronny Turiaf... None of those guys is making more than $4.2 million a season, and all of the combined don't equal out to Kidd's salary. It's a pipe dream, it couldn't happen unless we parted with Kwame or Odom. While the Lakers might be willing to part with Kwame, you'd likely have to throw in Radmanovic with him and filler to make the contracts meet. They don't have that many roster spots. It's an impossibility without a third team.

karlmalonefan · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:19 am Post subject:

2Cleva · Star Player Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 9195

Tonight's game is huge, not for the standings, but to show if Bynum and Turiaf can handle Duncan.

If they can - I would think long and hard if I was LA about dealing Kwame and change for Kidd.

Kwame, Mihm, McKie and Smush for Kidd.

LA loses a couple of backup big men in Kwame and Mihm but they can replace them easily in free agency next year. Centers were struggling for contracts because of the new rules. They can sign Doleac or the like and be set.

Only thing that Kwame brings is post defense. The rebounding will be fine with Odom and Kidd on board. But the only person that has to be defended in the post out West is Duncan. Even Amare doesn't post up much.

Yes, LA is close. And with a break or two could really win it all without Kidd. But adding him to the mix gets LA from that half-notch below Dallas and Phoenix. The ability to either nuetralize the MVP in a Phoenix matchup, or have the edge at the point (and 3.5 of 5) positions against Dallas is huge.

You already know the offense execution would only go up from all the easy baskets but the defense and pressure Kidd puts on opposing PGs mentally - man, you can't ignore that.

In such a deal - all LA is giving up is Kwame and if the choice is between Kwame's post defense and Kidd everything else, I'll take the daddy of the big head child with the crazy broad on the side. Besides, post defense would be help even more because PGs would have to work to even make that pass.

LA has to go for it... Of course they won't - but they should.

2Cleva · Star Player Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 9195

As far as the concern about the salary - I don't think it would be that big of a deal. Getting out of Kwame's contract allows LA to keep a better player who is cheaper. With so many players under rookie or low Ks, LA's payroll would just be top-heavy with Kobe, Kidd, and LO but relatively cheap for everyone else. Maybe dump Rad if need be.

activeverb · Retired Number Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 37470

Kidd makes $18 million a year. I don't think the Lakers could throw together enough salaries to balance the trade without including Kwame.

I mean, it would have to be Mihm, McKie, Shammond, Rad, Cook, Smush, and Evans or something. And no way would a 7-1 deal interest them.

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venturalakersfan · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:

Dude · Starting Rotation Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 822

1. Kidd is possibly the worst, high volume shooter in NBA history. His career percentages are 40% FGs, 33% from beyond the arc.

2. Kidd's Old. He's got two elite years left, if that.

3. Kidd makes way too much money. A high 8-figure contract vs a low 6-figure contract for Smush. Farmar makes more than Smush. Anyway, let's love Smush Parker people, the reaper ain't finished yet.

4. Kidd's going through a messy divorce that will bring drama back to LA's lockeroom.

5. Jason Kidd is simply not a triangle point - he dominates the ball and can't shoot period.

To trade Kwame for him to make the salaries work would leave us with Bynum and Turiaf in the middle, which at this point in time, is not enough to compete in the West. This trade will never happen.

LakerJam · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject:

2Cleva · Star Player Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 9195

And sometimes, fans fall so in love with a team they can't bear to part with anyone on it - regardless of the need.

Many players potentially can disrupt chemistry when they arrive but a pass-first PG who can defend and finds others for easy baskets is not one. EVERYONE on the team would be happy to have Kidd getting them easy buckets as well as nuetralizing opposing PGs like Parker and Nash.

Brown and Parker for Kidd. LA gets a huge boost at the 1 and loses their backup center. But some call that crazy.

Not worried about cap space. LA won't have that anyway and the roster is full with young players under rookies or cheap Ks. Next summer, all LA is doing is adding a draft pick and re-signing Walton anyway.

LakerJam · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:

The Lakers aren't making that trade, no matter how much some of you think they should. Kidd has been available to the Lakers in the past when he was younger and better, and yet we never bit. Let alone the idea of trading a big man who can body up the biggest of the bigs and hold his position - a rare, invaluable and apparently severely underappreciated weapon to have defensively - for an old, aging PG with bad knees who can't shoot, but is owed 18 mill this year and for the next 2 after that.

Sure, that's worth doing, especially , since this team is sucking so bad this season. Makes perfect sense to do it. :roll:

It's not about falling in love with individual players, but appreciating that as a collective unit, this TEAM is showing something special here.

2Cleva · Star Player Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 9195

I said from the start LA is unlikely to make the deal. No argument there.

I agree the team is doing something special. It doesn't mean its perfect. If help can be gotten, no point in turning it down.

LuxuryBrown · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject:

mttbk · Starting Rotation Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 623

On their top 10 countdown today they said the Lakers or Clippers or some other team (sorry I can't remember the other team) could be the the places Kidd could be traded. They didn't give anymore info.

aFFie · Starting Rotation Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 783

Texas_Pete · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject:

Short of Kobe or LO (NY Native), Kidd ain't coming here. I would welcome him here in a heartbeat though.

Now I'll pass the pipe...

KobeDunk · Retired Number Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 26849

Oh GOD! What bs like all the rest of the dumb trade rumors!

If all these so called experts were right we would have a team of

Boozer
KG
Artest
Kobe
Kidd

by now!

KobeDunk · Retired Number Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 26849

No salaries would match anyway unless LO or Kwame were involved and that ain't happening! so fogetabaitit

Cook+Smush for Kidd... maybe

LuxuryBrown · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject:

LakerSanity · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject:

On the NBA rumor mill, Newsday stated that the likely trade partners would be the Pacers, Celtics, and Heat. They also stated that the teams which would benefit most from Kidd in the west would be the clippers and kings, with the lakers bumped up to contender status of we got kidd.

1 - we are already contender status, but we would become elite with kidd.

2 - if a trade occurs (which is probably unlikely given the NBA rumors in general), knock off the celtics and the clipper cause Kidd wouldn't want to go to either, plus Livingston is still the Clips PG of the future.

3 - If he does get traded, I think its between the Lakers and Heat, or maybe a darkhorse in Dallas.
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