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Ziggy
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| I haven't forgotten my frustration with BI's iso's, especially late in games when he'd dribble us out of a lead and straight to an L. So I think his play lately has been much, much better. He's playing with patience and the ball isn't sticking. This is how he should play, and let the scoring come organically rather than trying to force a role as a scorer. I'm surprised he had 11 assists because he found a lot of open guys who missed shots. Just shows how well he was moving the ball. |
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Jesusdelonla
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I don't care about his offense as long as he gives his 100% on defense and locking up the #1/2 option on other team
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | I don't care about his offense as long as he gives his 100% on defense and loving up the #1/2 option on other team |
BI the lover, not BI the fighter.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | I don't care about his offense as long as he gives his 100% on defense and loving up the #1/2 option on other team |
BI the lover, not BI the fighter. |
lol i meant locking up |
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VicXLakers
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | the light goes on in LakersGround       |
Kind of reinforces our desires to see BI not focus only on scoring. You could tell from day 1 that he had the possible tools to do a lot of things besides scoring, which is still a work in progress. |
it's like duct tape ...you don't always need it and it doesn't always look good when you do but do you really want to go to the moon without it in your toolbox  |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | the light goes on in LakersGround |
Kind of reinforces our desires to see BI not focus only on scoring. You could tell from day 1 that he had the possible tools to do a lot of things besides scoring, which is still a work in progress. |
it's like duct tape ...you don't always need it and it doesn't always look good when you do but do you really want to go to the moon without it in your toolbox |
Yeah, he was being told to use 1 tool when he has many more. Good to see him reaching into his toolbox.
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
And OT as well. And yes that's fantastic.
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| BI will have his work cut out for him, he definitely cannot guard Harden...Saturday is going to be an interesting game. |
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| al242 wrote: | | BI will have his work cut out for him, he definitely cannot guard Harden...Saturday is going to be an interesting game. |
He shouldn’t be matched up with him. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
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BigGameHames
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
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| al242 wrote: | | BI will have his work cut out for him, he definitely cannot guard Harden...Saturday is going to be an interesting game. |
No one can guard someone that's entire game is based upon the refs bailing them out, and can run into/push/elbow people and get the foul called on the other person, while getting triple stepbacks and no traveling called.
You could make Harden shoot 5-50 and he'll still get 40 points cause he'll go 29-34 from the line.
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VicXLakers
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
Luke played that fiddle like a virtuoso last night |
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VicXLakers
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | the light goes on in LakersGround |
Kind of reinforces our desires to see BI not focus only on scoring. You could tell from day 1 that he had the possible tools to do a lot of things besides scoring, which is still a work in progress. |
it's like duct tape ...you don't always need it and it doesn't always look good when you do but do you really want to go to the moon without it in your toolbox |
Yeah, he was being told to use 1 tool when he has many more. Good to see him reaching into his toolbox. |
seems like a sponge that will try to do whatever you ask of him...not bad traits  |
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BigGameHames
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
Luke played that fiddle like a virtuoso last night |
Why the hesitation though? |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
Luke played that fiddle like a virtuoso last night |
Why the hesitation though? |
(bleep) knows. I remember half of LG being pissed at Luke during the last OKC game when Luke never put BI on PG and kept Hart/KCP on him and PG destroyed us in the 4th quarter and won OKC the game. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
Luke played that fiddle like a virtuoso last night |
Why the hesitation though? |
from earlier in the thread...
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good players will adjust by the 4th if you stick with the same defender or at least that's what I saw with Kobe...good move by Luke |
You have to change things up...PG knew it was coming and couldn't adjust fast enough...that's the way I saw it |
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^ I hope that's the case.
Again, I'm hoping it' just a secret weapon for the playoffs  |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Really should be emphasized: BI erasing PG in the 4Q probably won LA the game since the latter was absolutely unstoppable beforehand. And there's no other player on the team that could have done that. Hart/KCP are too small, Kuz/Beas aren't good enough there. Major props to BI. |
https://twitter.com/brosales12/status/1086154428497809408?s=21 |
It is never easy to slow down Paul George for anyone in the NBA, not just guys like KCP/Hart... BI also did a good job on KD... guys who can guard top notch scorers is a rarity that’s why I don’t see Ingram going anywhere unless it’s a deal we can’t refuse. |
In the 2 games against OKC, PG averaged only 19 possessions against BI. And only averaged 3.5 shot attempts for 28.6% fg%.
Against Hart: 22 possessions a game and 4.5 fga on 77.8% fg%
Against KCP: 23 possessions a game and 8.5 fga on 52.9% fg%
Heck, are we saving putting BI on PG for the playoffs? |
Figure it out Luke! |
Luke played that fiddle like a virtuoso last night |
Why the hesitation though? |
from earlier in the thread...
| VicXLakers wrote: |
good players will adjust by the 4th if you stick with the same defender or at least that's what I saw with Kobe...good move by Luke |
You have to change things up...PG knew it was coming and couldn't adjust fast enough...that's the way I saw it |
Hmmm maybe. Not how I would coach but I’m sitting at a desk posting on a forum. I’m worried there is a different reason but I have no facts pointing either way. |
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Not to be overly negative regarding BI, but is there a single thing he does well? Is it defending? Midrange shot creation? Finishing drives?
As a player who is not going to be the primary option on offense on a winning team I think it’s critical that we identify what advantage he offers and then try to adjust schemes to take advantage of it.
I struggle to identify what BI does well. |
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VicXLakers
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | ^ I hope that's the case.
Again, I'm hoping it' just a secret weapon for the playoffs |
not so secret but effective...use the force wisely young Luke 
...running for cover |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | Not to be overly negative regarding BI, but is there a single thing he does well? Is it defending? Midrange shot creation? Finishing drives?
As a player who is not going to be the primary option on offense on a winning team I think it’s critical that we identify what advantage he offers and then try to adjust schemes to take advantage of it.
I struggle to identify what BI does well. |
On ball wing defense. He’s borderline elite in that specific category. Wish we utilized it more. |
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VicXLakers
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[quote="BigGameHames"][quote="VicXLakers"][quote="BigGameHames"] | VicXLakers wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: |
from earlier in the thread...
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good players will adjust by the 4th if you stick with the same defender or at least that's what I saw with Kobe...good move by Luke |
You have to change things up...PG knew it was coming and couldn't adjust fast enough...that's the way I saw it |
Hmmm maybe. Not how I would coach but I’m sitting at a desk posting on a forum. I’m worried there is a different reason but I have no facts pointing either way. |
over clip better than no clip 
same here but that's the way I hoped he would use him so I could be projecting  
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