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A Mad Chinaman
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| Rek wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | | forzaCOREA wrote: | I know social media is clowning on LBJ for acting a fool over the referees missed call but more importantly his frustration at Darvin Ham.
Every 3rd quarter lakers getting smashed.
It's 3-0 hole you guys are in.
IF your GOAT player says challenge the call, you challenge the effing call and live with it.
Ham walking around all slow with no urgency with your hands in the pocket while LBJ is telling you to challenge. Fool reminds me of Bowser from supermario, all hunched over walking slow af.
Every game he saves his challenges, save them for what?
On the other side, when Jokic or Murray says to challenge the coach listens.
They trust in one another.
Every game we have been up double digits. If we had a competent coach who makes adjustments we could even be up this series. |
well said!! |
Tlue's Clips are struggling
Spoelstra's Heat are struggling
Doc is struggling
Nurse is struggling
Ham is struggling
All are good coaches |
Jimmy is hurt.
Giannis and Dame are both hurt.
Embiid definitely isn't at 100% with that late season injury.
Ham has his superstars fully healthy and is only missing Vando (which is an important piece, but still)
So no - Ham doesn't get a pass at all and he certainly doesn't belong in any list alongside Spoe and Nurse insinuating he is also a good coach. He's terrible. Our team made the playoffs despite this clown. |
Heat was a Play-In Team w/Jimmy Buckets
Greek Freak and Dame just recently got injured. Bucks have struggled mightily!
Embiid is playing well, despite being injured. Knicks will probably defeat them in this series
You didn't mentioned JKidd, who was struggling nd now doing better
TLue with supposedly the deepest and/or one of the deepest/strongest lineup being very inconsistent
Injured Lakers
Vincent (most of the season)
Rui (In and Out at the Beginning of the Season)
Cam (In and Out)
Vanderbilt (Out at the beginning of the season and most of the rest of the season)
CWood (In and Out)
DLo (for a few weeks)
Lakers have a healthy AD/LBR, but the rest of the roster was decimated by injuries
Is he a Spoelstra, Nurse, JKidd, TLue, etc. in terms of experience and expertise - while acknowledging that they have had problems throughout this season since none of the HCs had teams that were ranked as top contenders for the Ring. Ham is a good young coach along the likes of Finch to MacDougal (NBA Coach of the Year)
If you fire Ham, who are you going to hire. What legitimate HC will want to coach the Lakers when its fan base is demanding change every one to two years? |
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eddiejonze
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| forzaCOREA wrote: | I know social media is clowning on LBJ for acting a fool over the referees missed call but more importantly his frustration at Darvin Ham.
Every 3rd quarter lakers getting smashed.
It's 3-0 hole you guys are in.
IF your GOAT player says challenge the call, you challenge the effing call and live with it.
Ham walking around all slow with no urgency with your hands in the pocket while LBJ is telling you to challenge. Fool reminds me of Bowser from supermario, all hunched over walking slow af.
Every game he saves his challenges, save them for what?
On the other side, when Jokic or Murray says to challenge the coach listens.
They trust in one another.
Every game we have been up double digits. If we had a competent coach who makes adjustments we could even be up this series. |
Good post.
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ThePageDude
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: |
Spoelstra's Heat are struggling
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Err no. The Heat are not struggling, they're over-achieving. That team is decimated by injuries to their big star, has unknowns (Jovic) and rookies (Jaquez) playing big minutes and the fact that they took a game from the league-leading Celtics is remarkable.
Your overall point is fine but you weakened it by including a weak data-point. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Spoelstra's Heat are struggling |
Err no. The Heat are not struggling, they're over-achieving. That team is decimated by injuries to their big star, has unknowns (Jovic) and rookies (Jaquez) playing big minutes and the fact that they took a game from the league-leading Celtics is remarkable.
Your overall point is fine but you weakened it by including a weak data-point. |
Is Spoelstra a great coach, yes
Did many people doubted his skills and even wanted him replaced by Riles, yes
Has Spoelstra learned/grown as a HC during the years, yes
Does Ham have similar qualities and potential to grow as a coach, yes
Has Ham shown qualities needed to be a good HC last year/this year, yes
Heat have developed/cultivated/nurtured a "Culture" that is supported from ownership to management to coach that has provided continuity needed for continued success - as the Lakers have done in the past.
Last year's Lakers overachieved
This year's Heat victory over the Cs was just like Lakers' victory over the Bucks with LBJ/AD both not playing.
This Heat team, under Mickey Arison/Riles made no moves during last year's off-season to improve the team while losing key players. If Jeanie/Rob did the same thing, our fanbase would have totally ROASTED the decision makers.
With the Lakers' injuries starting at the beginning of the season, the Lakers were playing like the Suns that was top heavy - resulting in the Suns being swept out of the playoffs with substantially higher payroll with a Big 3 that many say have more star power than LBJ+AD!
Jimmy Buckets + Bam are comparable to AD + LBJ (though, IMHO, what we have is better), but Spoelstra (at this time) is more experienced and have much more support from ownership/management than Ham - hence both sides are more even than one had originally imagined.
It should be noted that the Heat team was healthier than the Lakers during the entire regular season and didn't seem interested/cared/focused before the playoffs. Would our fanbase allow that - NOPE. Our fanbase would demand Rob to do something/anything/everything - lol!!!
Should be noted that the Lakers have won 17 championships;
Kundla - 5,
Phil - 5,
Riles - 4
Sharman - 1,
Westhead - 1
Vogel - 1
All these HCs had growing pains with roster to learning on the job (remember Riles career before he became a HC)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| slavavov wrote: | Thanks DB.
While we haven't really proven anything, we do have a proof of concept that we can beat the Nuggets when we get a lead against them.
We have been holding down Murray in this series. He has been the one who has killed us more than anyone else, and containing him was job one for us. Other than the fourth quarter of Game 2, we have done that.
We won't win Game 5, but if we do, I think the conversation around this series will change a bit. People will wonder if Denver is bored, complacent or overconfident. It seemed they were like that a couple of times early in last year's playoffs. |
This is not the talk of champions. |
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slavavov
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| Fourplay wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | Thanks DB.
While we haven't really proven anything, we do have a proof of concept that we can beat the Nuggets when we get a lead against them.
We have been holding down Murray in this series. He has been the one who has killed us more than anyone else, and containing him was job one for us. Other than the fourth quarter of Game 2, we have done that.
We won't win Game 5, but if we do, I think the conversation around this series will change a bit. People will wonder if Denver is bored, complacent or overconfident. It seemed they were like that a couple of times early in last year's playoffs. |
This is not the talk of champions. |
I'm just being realistic. There's a window for us to win Game 5, but it's a really narrow opening.
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Rek wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | | forzaCOREA wrote: | I know social media is clowning on LBJ for acting a fool over the referees missed call but more importantly his frustration at Darvin Ham.
Every 3rd quarter lakers getting smashed.
It's 3-0 hole you guys are in.
IF your GOAT player says challenge the call, you challenge the effing call and live with it.
Ham walking around all slow with no urgency with your hands in the pocket while LBJ is telling you to challenge. Fool reminds me of Bowser from supermario, all hunched over walking slow af.
Every game he saves his challenges, save them for what?
On the other side, when Jokic or Murray says to challenge the coach listens.
They trust in one another.
Every game we have been up double digits. If we had a competent coach who makes adjustments we could even be up this series. |
well said!! |
Tlue's Clips are struggling
Spoelstra's Heat are struggling
Doc is struggling
Nurse is struggling
Ham is struggling
All are good coaches |
Jimmy is hurt.
Giannis and Dame are both hurt.
Embiid definitely isn't at 100% with that late season injury.
Ham has his superstars fully healthy and is only missing Vando (which is an important piece, but still)
So no - Ham doesn't get a pass at all and he certainly doesn't belong in any list alongside Spoe and Nurse insinuating he is also a good coach. He's terrible. Our team made the playoffs despite this clown. |
Heat was a Play-In Team w/Jimmy Buckets
Greek Freak and Dame just recently got injured. Bucks have struggled mightily!
Embiid is playing well, despite being injured. Knicks will probably defeat them in this series
You didn't mentioned JKidd, who was struggling nd now doing better
TLue with supposedly the deepest and/or one of the deepest/strongest lineup being very inconsistent
Injured Lakers
Vincent (most of the season)
Rui (In and Out at the Beginning of the Season)
Cam (In and Out)
Vanderbilt (Out at the beginning of the season and most of the rest of the season)
CWood (In and Out)
DLo (for a few weeks)
Lakers have a healthy AD/LBR, but the rest of the roster was decimated by injuries
Is he a Spoelstra, Nurse, JKidd, TLue, etc. in terms of experience and expertise - while acknowledging that they have had problems throughout this season since none of the HCs had teams that were ranked as top contenders for the Ring. Ham is a good young coach along the likes of Finch to MacDougal (NBA Coach of the Year)
If you fire Ham, who are you going to hire. What legitimate HC will want to coach the Lakers when its fan base is demanding change every one to two years? |
Simple - Vogel who will once again be falsely scapegoated for a FOs terrible roster decisions.
Of course, that won't happen because it would amount to Jeanie and Rob admitting they made a terrible decision firing him in the first place. And also because Vogel likely tells them to pound sand after how they cast blame on him for their own mistakes.
Last time I checked it's the FO making those decisions, not the fan base- just like the Westbrook trade - just like dumping Caruso for nothing. It goes on and on. If our FO doesn't want potential coaches to avoid the Lakers, then maybe they can yank their heads out of their arses long enough to make a few logical, well-reasoned decisions instead of the crap choices they've been making.
No matter what they decide to do - the first step is beyond obvious - fire Ham ASAP and move forward. You can refer to him as a "good young coach" all you please. Doesn't change how terrible he is. |
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