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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand, if the price is right, you could sign him in hopes of gaining the inside track on signing LaMelo later on. He's still capable of running the offense but they rightfully have decided to use Ingram more instead.
I think he's a good player who's mentally fragile. If someone could unlock that confidence, they might get a player at a bargain rate. It looks like his form is better. |
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Quote: | Cavaliers expected to trade or release Kevin Porter Jr. after outburst: Sources |
This kid is legit talented. But he's a headcase who won't get it together no matter how many chances he's given. Such a shame.
Alot of teams could use his talent and upside. If anybody signs him, they should require him to see a therapist to help with his anger management and decision making processes. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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PASTOR RILEY Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Release McKinney and get Kevin porter jr. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:28 am Post subject: |
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PASTOR RILEY wrote: | Release McKinney and get Kevin porter jr. |
We are hard capped. Not sure if we could do that. Plus he’s a young prospect, I’m sure someone like the Knicks may trade for him. _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
Has shown flashes but has yet to put it all together. He really has to be in the perfect situation for him to shine. I don't think that is NO. They have zero spacing. Starting Adams/Zion up front. Neither never takes a shot outside of paint. Combine that with sub 34% from 3 shooter in Bledsoe |
Guy is in a contract year, and to me, he hasn’t played well since entering the bubble. He was really good before that. Now he’s on record of saying in the half court, he is more of a 2 guard. Not sure if that’s on him or SVG, but if Zo wants to be a point guard in this league, he had to be able to drive to the rim and run a half court offense. _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant |
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M2K Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Lakers need another defensive wing and big man in the middle.
I like Kuzma...but he is too hot/cold and showed nothing in the bubble.
I don't think he has a higher ceiling than what we've seen talent-wise.
I would try to trade Kuzma for a young big (center) if one were out there or available come the trade deadline. _________________ A three headed monster... Jeannie, Pelinka, and Ham... another terrible season. |
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lakerican Star Player
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:29 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
He was off to a rough start, that's for sure. I've seen him play two or three times this year, and it was the same old Lonzo. He just faded into the background, but occasionally made some play that caught your attention. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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Laker's Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo’s QO is $14.3m and his cap hold is $27m, according to Basketball Insiders. If they don’t QO Lonzo (and eventually renounce bird rights on Redick), the Pellies would have north of $25m in cap room. Issue his the QO and during the functional part of free agency, they’re an over the cap team.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see them deal Zo this year. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:12 am Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
Has shown flashes but has yet to put it all together. He really has to be in the perfect situation for him to shine. I don't think that is NO. They have zero spacing. Starting Adams/Zion up front. Neither never takes a shot outside of paint. Combine that with sub 34% from 3 shooter in Bledsoe |
Guy is in a contract year, and to me, he hasn’t played well since entering the bubble. He was really good before that. Now he’s on record of saying in the half court, he is more of a 2 guard. Not sure if that’s on him or SVG, but if Zo wants to be a point guard in this league, he had to be able to drive to the rim and run a half court offense. |
He's also not healthy. To be honest I hope that the Pelicans do sell low on him, so we can get him back and take advantage of the healthy version of him. If he starts wearing a fat suit in warmups then I'll assume it's a Klutch conspiracy _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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4evARaBruinLG Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: |
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M2K wrote: | Lakers need another defensive wing and big man in the middle.
I like Kuzma...but he is too hot/cold and showed nothing in the bubble.
I don't think he has a higher ceiling than what we've seen talent-wise.
I would try to trade Kuzma for a young big (center) if one were out there or available come the trade deadline. |
I doubt Kuzma will be moved this year if he is moved at all. The poison pill in his contract is quite limiting. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Cut Kostas and give me Justin Patton and KPJ on 2 ways once the NBA approve a 3rd 2 way spot _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
He was off to a rough start, that's for sure. I've seen him play two or three times this year, and it was the same old Lonzo. He just faded into the background, but occasionally made some play that caught your attention. |
I’m holding my lonzo stock. He overhauled his form and that always takes a year before the shot starts falling. E.g. KCP. The passing and defense is still there.
He also needs to be in an offense with actual spacing and movement.l |
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D-Shiznit Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Go get Kevin Porter Jr, he's worth the gamble. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Wasn't he arrested a few months ago for slapping a woman? He might be bipolar. He needs to see a mental health doctor. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:36 am Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
Has shown flashes but has yet to put it all together. He really has to be in the perfect situation for him to shine. I don't think that is NO. They have zero spacing. Starting Adams/Zion up front. Neither never takes a shot outside of paint. Combine that with sub 34% from 3 shooter in Bledsoe |
Guy is in a contract year, and to me, he hasn’t played well since entering the bubble. He was really good before that. Now he’s on record of saying in the half court, he is more of a 2 guard. Not sure if that’s on him or SVG, but if Zo wants to be a point guard in this league, he had to be able to drive to the rim and run a half court offense. |
I was saying he's more a 2-guard in the halfcourt ever since he was a Laker. He's not a guy who will set the table and pick a defense apart. Problem is it's hard to run an offense with a 2-guard who can't shoot. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: |
Wasn't he arrested a few months ago for slapping a woman? He might be bipolar. He needs to see a mental health doctor. |
Fighting with his sister. Also being caught with a gun and weed in his car.
The former object is something I would not want someone suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts to have in their possession at all. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
He was off to a rough start, that's for sure. I've seen him play two or three times this year, and it was the same old Lonzo. He just faded into the background, but occasionally made some play that caught your attention. |
I’m holding my lonzo stock. He overhauled his form and that always takes a year before the shot starts falling. E.g. KCP. The passing and defense is still there.
He also needs to be in an offense with actual spacing and movement.l |
It's the mindset.
He plays offense like he is allergic to touching his defender sometimes. He's a 6'6'' PG who doesn't try to score through contact in the half court like his younger bro. Younger bro is 2 inches taller though. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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De'Aaron Fox, Trae Young, and Ja Morant are at very similar points in their career right now. Good enough to be devastating when they are healthy, rested, and feeling good that night.
But I question their physical endurance throughout a 82 (or 72) game season. 10-15% of those games, they are just worn down and are lesser versions of themselves. They are all really young. Don't have the strength of older all star level PG peers. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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RashardA Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Lonzo really is a complete bust for where he was drafted.
He's a role player taken at a position of the draft where you should be drafting a franchise player.
He also doesnt have the heart or desire for the game and its evident when he plays.
I honestly dont see Lonzo having a very long career and it has nothing to do with his ability.
I dont even think he enjoys playing the game at all.
He would prefer to rap. _________________ Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
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RashardA wrote: | Lonzo really is a complete bust for where he was drafted.
He's a role player taken at a position of the draft where you should be drafting a franchise player.
He also doesnt have the heart or desire for the game and its evident when he plays.
I honestly dont see Lonzo having a very long career and it has nothing to do with his ability.
I dont even think he enjoys playing the game at all.
He would prefer to rap. |
Franchise players don't grow on trees, even in the lottery. We should know. We were in the lottery for 4 years in a row, including three #2 picks. Depending on how you look at Ingram, we maybe got one franchise player in the group and we are a team that drafts very well. There are a lot of variables that go into it, but fans tend to expect a star if they're picking high. Just doesn't work out that way. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | RashardA wrote: | Lonzo really is a complete bust for where he was drafted.
He's a role player taken at a position of the draft where you should be drafting a franchise player.
He also doesnt have the heart or desire for the game and its evident when he plays.
I honestly dont see Lonzo having a very long career and it has nothing to do with his ability.
I dont even think he enjoys playing the game at all.
He would prefer to rap. |
Franchise players don't grow on trees, even in the lottery. We should know. We were in the lottery for 4 years in a row, including three #2 picks. Depending on how you look at Ingram, we maybe got one franchise player in the group and we are a team that drafts very well. There are a lot of variables that go into it, but fans tend to expect a star if they're picking high. Just doesn't work out that way. |
All of our top draft picks, except Lonzo thus far have proven themselves to be All-Star quality(Randle, Russell) and potential franchise quality(Ingram) so that's pretty good on the scouting department.
And far as Lonzo goes his health is going to be a big factor in what he becomes and develops into, ultimately. The people that expected Steph Curry with a 40 inch vertical will be disappointed. Those that expected a slightly more athletic 6'7 Jason Kidd, will likely be happier. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
He was off to a rough start, that's for sure. I've seen him play two or three times this year, and it was the same old Lonzo. He just faded into the background, but occasionally made some play that caught your attention. |
I’m holding my lonzo stock. He overhauled his form and that always takes a year before the shot starts falling. E.g. KCP. The passing and defense is still there.
He also needs to be in an offense with actual spacing and movement.l |
It's the mindset.
He plays offense like he is allergic to touching his defender sometimes. He's a 6'6'' PG who doesn't try to score through contact in the half court like his younger bro. Younger bro is 2 inches taller though. |
Melo also doesnt have to spend his rookie year in BBB shoes. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | kikanga wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We really sold high on Lonzo. I wanted to believe in him when he was here. I rooted for him. But I'm not surprised his shooting splits are 39/30/60 in year 4. |
He was off to a rough start, that's for sure. I've seen him play two or three times this year, and it was the same old Lonzo. He just faded into the background, but occasionally made some play that caught your attention. |
I’m holding my lonzo stock. He overhauled his form and that always takes a year before the shot starts falling. E.g. KCP. The passing and defense is still there.
He also needs to be in an offense with actual spacing and movement.l |
It's the mindset.
He plays offense like he is allergic to touching his defender sometimes. He's a 6'6'' PG who doesn't try to score through contact in the half court like his younger bro. Younger bro is 2 inches taller though. |
Melo also doesnt have to spend his rookie year in BBB shoes. |
Lamelo is also in a different role for his team and with what's expected of him.
Imagine if Lonzo was on a team where he was expected to be their primary or secondary offensive option.
Randle, Ingram, Kuzma, Clarkson. Lopez were all ahead of Lonzo in the scoring pecking order.
Lamelo they SHOULD be starting, but they have him as a 6th man with a green light to shoot/score whenever he wants to. Not the same role Lonzo had. If he was drafted to a team where he was essentially their 2nd option offensively you'd probably see him scoring more. But that's never been a role he was comfortable with. He's more Kidd, and Lamelo is more Curry in terms of their approach to the game. Entering a game, playing against another team's bench to catch his rhythm is also helpful with where his game is coming along from.
Lonzo's strengths are his defense, athleticism and basketball IQ and floor generalship.
Lamelo's strengths are his scoring, athleticism and passing.
Two different players. The biggest problem Lonzo has been having this season(and a few off-seasons) has been his health. Healthy he's very valuable to a team given what he already brings. Unhealthy he is not. So the biggest obstacle Lonzo is facing right now is his health. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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