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goodbug Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: Reason why Kobe should shoot less 3pt |
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Kobe in 05-06
3pts, 58-196 33.65%=>50.49%
2pts, 492-1035 47.54%
However, 3pts don't quite bring you FT, if coupled with FT and count 2 FTA as one possession. and discount 20% of Kobe's FT since they are from Technical or 3pts line
227.5 * 0.8 - 271.5 * 0.8, = 182 - 217.2
adjusted 2pts 674 - 1252.2 = 53.83%
So Kobe is shooting about 3% higher when he's inside the arc. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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The main reason I think he should stop shooting is b/c he just shoots too many. TOO MANY!! |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: |
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how about "because it's a low percentage shot". _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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OshadowO Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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They kill the flow of the game.
People can harp on about adjusted FG% for 3pts all they want but the fact remains, more misses=more wasted possessions for our team. On a team that plays 0 defense, gives up so many high % FGs to the opposition that my friend is suicide. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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I think "low percentage shot" is a relative term when you're talking about Kobe.
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Endure 12 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Kobe is now 3rd in 3pt attempts, and will soon be #2 behind Ray Allen :roll:
STOP SHOOTING 3's |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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^No, it's still a low percentage shot, regardless of the player.
Reasons why Bryant shouldn't shoot so many 3-pointers:
1. As the #1 option, it's his job to manufacture the highest percentage shot.
2. He excels at slashing to the basket and drawing contact.
3. Over the course of a game, a player's legs tend to weaken; less lift on the jumpshot.
4. Less opportunities for Bryant to operate in the high post and hit cutters for layups.
Adjusted FG% is a skewed statistic as well. Everyone wants to say if you hit 33.3+% behind the arc, it equals 50%FG for 2 pointers.
However, a 3 point shot is supposed to be to the advantage of the offensive player, not just for an average. On top of that, it skews the player away from drawing contact in the paint and forcing the defense to really make an effort; it eases their pressure tremendously.
Ideally, you want 47%FG 2-pt; 38% behind the arc. Adjust that FG% and there's roughly a 56%-60% adjusted FG%, depending on the number of shot attempts. That's using it to a player's advantage. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Kobe has to take 1-3 bail out threes a game. Subtract those and he's up to 38%. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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OshadowO Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | Kobe has to take 1-3 bail out threes a game. Subtract those and he's up to 38%. |
Not all bailout shots are 3s. And that is still no excuse for taking so many 3s imo. Look at his numbers this month. He's making baron davis look conservative. |
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showtime1308 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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half of his shots seem to be threes nowadays. That's just flat out crazy considering how many times he shoots. I would never want to restrict Kobe from shooting when he wants to because then you would miss out on the genius that he is on the court. You don't want to mess with his creativity but man replace that with a hard dribble pullup midrange jumper and he is probably shooting 47% on the year. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | Kobe has to take 1-3 bail out threes a game. Subtract those and he's up to 38%. |
I think that should read that Kobe takes 1-3 bail out threes a game. It is him asking for the ball, not others forcing it on him. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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kobester Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think kobe is tired. He tends to settle for outside shots whenever he gets tired. Driving the lane by splitting double/triple team is a lot more exhausting than settling for 3s. Those missed FTs are clear sign of fatigue. Hopefully he gets his legs back during the all star break. |
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Tarzan008 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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He took 14 three's last game,making 5.......worth 15 points.......If he had taken 14 2's,and made 7 (50%) he would have gotten 14 total points.....So 5 for 14 from 3 point land is actually better than 7 for 14 from 2 point land.....................stats wise.......But..........
It's still too many on a consistant basis.....
However I do think he should shoot 8 or so,as long as he hits 3 on average (3 for 8 = 37.5 %),giving him 9 points for the 8 shots,thats still better than going 4 for 8 (8 points) from 2 point range.....
The thing about these long range bomb's is that it totally stretchs the defense......Now Kobe provides this extra cushion of space......he can now fake the three and dribble penetrate around closed in defenders much easier.....They come out on him and he goes around them .....
I think if he takes those 27 shots per game 8 from three point land is a good mix............as long as he still goes for those mid-range jumpers as well,along with as many dribble drives,drawing those fouls......He has to keep things mixed up......
Threes to me are not at all whats wrong,it's the team "D"..... |
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Philostrator Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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I guess 3 point shots is a part of his game, but he's just not terrrific from down there.
If he wants to win, he should take it less maybe just about 3 attempts per game.
Odom used to take a lot of 3s as well, but he learned from it. |
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OshadowO Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | uberzev wrote: | Kobe has to take 1-3 bail out threes a game. Subtract those and he's up to 38%. |
I think that should read that Kobe takes 1-3 bail out threes a game. It is him asking for the ball, not others forcing it on him. |
even so using that as an excuse is like saying he always misses his bail out three pt attempts and that is clearly not true. So if you take out the bail out shots to help his FG%, then take out atleast one make as well.
Regardless of the adjusted % the fact remains 3s=more missed attempts. More missed attempts=more possessions the opposition has to gain points over us. 4-5 three point attempts is the max any one player should attempt unless they're crazy hot from the floor. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe jacking up 3's is awesome. I hope he continues to gun it from downtown |
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4 Pointer Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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He's frustrated with having to go inside 1 on 5 all the time. |
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RJBaca Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Kobe jacking up 3's is awesome. I hope he continues to gun it from downtown |
I'm hoping he adds the half-court shot to his repertoire! That would be killer! |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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OshadowO wrote: | .
Regardless of the adjusted % the fact remains 3s=more missed attempts. More missed attempts=more possessions the opposition has to gain points over us. | You do realize that a made shot by the Lakers as well as a missed shot that is rebounded by the opponent lead to the exact same amount of possessions don't you? _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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Aloha Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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in addition, 3 pt misses tend to go bounce out (Some think we might get lucky), and it appears we get out hustled.
Also 3pt misses often kicks start a fastbreak the other way... _________________
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Sidious Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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as long as he plays on this garbage team he's gonna be jacking up 3's |
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OshadowO Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | OshadowO wrote: | .
Regardless of the adjusted % the fact remains 3s=more missed attempts. More missed attempts=more possessions the opposition has to gain points over us. | You do realize that a made shot by the Lakers as well as a missed shot that is rebounded by the opponent lead to the exact same amount of possessions don't you? |
what i'm saying is that when we miss a shot we waste a possesion. The opponent then has the opportunity to get two/three points on us. True the same happens when we miss a two but we (or any team) will always miss more threes.
Over a course of a game, this naturally does not matter so much as both teams miss, but when you take a lot of low percentage shots, you're preventing yourself from going on a run. You're also giving your opponent a chance to go on a run.
Adjusted FG% is ok as a stat but I would really question its relevance during the game itself. If a team took 30 shots, all threes and made ten. They got 30 points on 50% AFG. But they don't know that in game. To them they missed a whole lot more than they made. Its hard to have momentum when you miss so much. And that doesn't even factor the # FTs you're probably not getting by taking the long range shot.
So after saying all that, I guess alls I mean is that 3s kill momentum and the flow of a team's offense. Unless someone's crazy hot its better not to take those so often. |
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