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Kobe2Clark Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: Kobe took 29 shots and STILL got 9 assists... |
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Contrary to popular opinion, volume shooting and dishing aren't mutually exclusive (See AI and the Sixers). But you only get the dime when someone makes a shot _________________ "My thirst for domination is fed only by the game. I refuse to get distracted by outside forces." - Kobe Bryant |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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"would be ast's" |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, he probably could have had 12-15 assists, but he was forcing some shots in the 4th quarter. But when the game seemed to be slipping away early in the 3rd quarter, he did a good job of carrying the team on his back and kept it close.
I think in the 1st half he was playing more as a facilitator and wasn't really looking for his own shot. He made some really nice passes under the basket, especially that behind the back to Kwame. |
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Addicus Star Player
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 9642 Location: Dave's Pimp Palace
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Some say his is only an average passer. That is only true because he has average shooters.
He is the best all around player in the game. Period. _________________ Stop crying and start doing.
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rwongega Franchise Player
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 20510 Location: UCLA -> NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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If the Lakers make at least 45% of their shots, Kobe could get 14 a night. Problem is, guys can't make open shots consistently. |
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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WOWSERS!!!! |
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ocho Retired Number
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 54032
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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what are you guys talking about? i read on espn that kobe is selfish. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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da ocho wrote: | what are you guys talking about? i read on espn that kobe is selfish. |
Ohhh dawg, You're RIGHT!!! lb23 IS WAY BETTER!!! Kobe can not do it without Shaq either.............. |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe is as good a passer as just about anyone in the league. The real problem, which I don't think is a real problem anyway, is that Kobe, moreso than anyone, is willing to say "screw it! I have to shoot for us to win!"
Phil Jackson commented on this in the book. He said "Kobe is a willing passer, but if he senses that his teammates are timid, Kobe will step into their spot and take on their load as well."
Kobe is just the ultimate competitor. Never shy to take the pressure and put it on his shoulders.
Gotta love KB8. _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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Tarzan008 Star Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 2761
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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21 of those shots were in the 2nd half in 21 minutes of action.......But who's counting.....
The thing is he made 10 of them and got 24 points......So I say shoot away,and when overly harrassed,pass out of the pressure,make them pay for those doubles,just as he and the Lakers did.....
With Cook being a threat,Kobe will get that little extra space,now instead of constant doubles and triples along with traps galore,Kobe will only see doubles half the time....he can now pick and choose when to go into strike mode,when they double,make them pay,pass out of it,and when they are in single coverage,Kobe can do whatever his talented self wants..... |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: | "would be ast's" |
Ahhh, and I just started a thread about Kobe's "would be" assists a game or two ago |
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mitch&kwame Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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If cook is not there, kobe may have zero assist. |
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mbloves L.A. Star Player
Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 3886 Location: Hollywood
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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So let me get this straight, he had more points than assists?
Selfish. _________________ Where's Cokie the Clown when you need him? |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: | "would be ast's" |
Kobe leads the league in that category. |
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Walter Sobchak Star Player
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 4520 Location: Hollywood, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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I liked Kobe's approach last game, you could see in the first half he was really making a point of getting other people involved. This was most apparent to me when I kept getting irritated that he continued to pass up wide-open shots to pass it to Smush, but to Kobe's credit, eventually Smush began to hit those shots. It looked like it was a good strategy and one that Jordan tended to use a lot later in his career. I hope that opposing defenses allow for Kobe and the Lakers to continue this approach in the future. _________________ "People don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble
Just a reminder folks: "a lot" is two words. So is "no one". |
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CrimsonLaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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The other side of the equation is that Kobe often in games shoots over double and triple teams rather than to pass to wide open men. Is that selfish? I don't know. I do know that the guys on the team have to earn Kobe's trust. Once they show that they can consistently contribute offensively, Kobe has no problem setting them up (see brian cook). Kobe trusted Sasha for a while, but that trust is deteriorating. The more these guys step up and show they are worthy to wear the PNG, then the more Kobe's game will evolve like Michael's. |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Sage_10 wrote: | bambam wrote: | "would be ast's" |
Kobe leads the league in that category. |
yep... i wish there was a way to track them. |
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CrimsonLaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I also wonder how many assists come from Lamar Odom feeding Kobe Bryant? Everyone talks about how lamar is such a great facilitator, but I'm pretty sure the bulk of his assists come from passing to kobe bryant. |
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notWorthy Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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CrimsonLaker wrote: | I also wonder how many assists come from Lamar Odom feeding Kobe Bryant? Everyone talks about how lamar is such a great facilitator, but I'm pretty sure the bulk of his assists come from passing to kobe bryant. |
And you think he should be passing to someone else? A bunch of people just stated that Kobe would get more assists if the others would make their shots. So is Odom wrong for going to the best player on the team? |
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Walter Sobchak Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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notWorthy wrote: | CrimsonLaker wrote: | I also wonder how many assists come from Lamar Odom feeding Kobe Bryant? Everyone talks about how lamar is such a great facilitator, but I'm pretty sure the bulk of his assists come from passing to kobe bryant. |
And you think he should be passing to someone else? A bunch of people just stated that Kobe would get more assists if the others would make their shots. So is Odom wrong for going to the best player on the team? |
On this site, apparently no matter what Odom does it's bad and the Lakers should trade him as a result. _________________ "People don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble
Just a reminder folks: "a lot" is two words. So is "no one". |
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Alpha Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Knowing BSPN, Kobe would be called selfish for getting too many assists. |
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KBandKB Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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We play better with Kobe passing |
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KoolMo Star Player
Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 1035 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | If the Lakers make at least 45% of their shots, Kobe could get 14 a night. Problem is, guys can't make open shots consistently. |
I couldn't have said it better, and I've said it lots of time. |
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CrimsonLaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. Odom get praised for getting others involved when most of his assists come from Kobe making shots. Kobe would also have tons of assists if he could pass to himself. |
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Walter Sobchak Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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CrimsonLaker wrote: | You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. Odom get praised for getting others involved when most of his assists come from Kobe making shots. Kobe would also have tons of assists if he could pass to himself. |
See? Even if Odom leads the team in assists, on this site it's still somehow an indication that he sucks. Lemme guess, Odom only leads the team in rebounds because the role players brick so many shots, right? _________________ "People don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble
Just a reminder folks: "a lot" is two words. So is "no one". |
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