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laker_pride Starting Rotation
Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 797 Location: O.C. California
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Phil Jackson wants Artest. |
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I heard it this morning on Fred Roggin and Simers Square. Near the end of the show, Fred told TJ Simers that Phil Jackson wants Artest. Fred said that Jeanie Buss had told him so. He went on to say that Phil Jackson is the only coach who can control such a player. Whether he can control Artest or not, that is not the issue, it's weather we can acquire him. Do we really need another Rodman or Isiaiah Rider. Can we come up with a decent package. I think he would be a better fit and a better defender than Kwame. _________________ "The game's in the refrigerator, the door's closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard and the Jell-O's jiggling." |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 35946 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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$18 million on small forwards? |
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LuxuryBrown Franchise Player
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 17429 Location: Mackadocious, Ca.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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So Phil is going to live with Artest to make sure he doesn't beat down his chicks? Interesting. _________________
Quote: | Smooth, but I move like an army / Bulletproof down in case brothas try to bomb me / Puttin' brothas to rest like Elliot Ness / Cuz I don't like stress
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 18448
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Phil can't control anybody anymore, maybe due to his physical health. Can't even control Cook and Bynum's temper and let's not get started with Smush. |
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LakersInFour Star Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 6725 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | $18 million on small forwards? |
Yeah, and that's only if you count Odom as a power forward. Then you have $31M on SF's. _________________ "It’s like going to the Getty and standing in front of Van Gogh’s Irises while some schmuck next to you critiques individual brush strokes. Just shut up already. The more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself." |
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LuxuryBrown Franchise Player
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 17429 Location: Mackadocious, Ca.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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AllorNothing wrote: | Phil can't control anybody anymore, maybe due to his physical health. Can't even control Cook and Bynum's temper and let's not get started with Smush. |
Exactly. I'm tired of people using Rodman as an example. Rodman wasn't crazy...Rodman was a businessman that knew his antics were gonna get him more attention which translated into more money. Rodman knew when it was time to go to work and when it was time to be "Rodman".
Artest has FOR REAL mental issues that he takes medication for. HUGE difference. _________________
Quote: | Smooth, but I move like an army / Bulletproof down in case brothas try to bomb me / Puttin' brothas to rest like Elliot Ness / Cuz I don't like stress
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LakersInFour Star Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 6725 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Besides, Artest wants to retire a King. _________________ "It’s like going to the Getty and standing in front of Van Gogh’s Irises while some schmuck next to you critiques individual brush strokes. Just shut up already. The more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself." |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 15436
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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LakersInFour wrote: | Besides, Artest wants to retire a King. |
Until he gets traded here and then he wants to retire a laker |
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*Dante* Starting Rotation
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 311 Location: New Rochelle
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I belive Artest said he wanted to retire a Pacer as well then 2 weeks later he demanded a trade. |
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TNLakersFanInLA Star Player
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 9657 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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LuxuryBrown wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | Phil can't control anybody anymore, maybe due to his physical health. Can't even control Cook and Bynum's temper and let's not get started with Smush. |
Exactly. I'm tired of people using Rodman as an example. Rodman wasn't crazy...Rodman was a businessman that knew his antics were gonna get him more attention which translated into more money. Rodman knew when it was time to go to work and when it was time to be "Rodman".
Artest has FOR REAL mental issues that he takes medication for. HUGE difference. |
Isn't he broke? _________________ Monta Ellis: "Kobe is #1, I'm #2, LeBron is #3." |
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DoubleClutch Star Player
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 2712 Location: Town
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Debating Artest's stability off the court is one thing, but when he plays the guy is a star caliber player. Former DPOY. 19 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals last year. If you can get a guy like that for Kwame and say Farmar, you do it.
It's not like we were a Finals caliber team last year, and should be afraid he might mess up our "winning" chemistry. He brings the one thing we lack most - defense. A trio of Kobe-Artest-Odom would be formidable, and we would have solid depth surrounding them. This is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. _________________ “This goes far beyond paychecks” |
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 18448
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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He should be let go of his contract by the Kings to pursue a topnotch psychiatrist in LA. |
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Big Game James Star Player
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 4006 Location: The official trout slapper of LG.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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DoubleClutch wrote: | A trio of Kobe-Artest-Odom would be formidable, and we would have solid depth surrounding them. This is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. |
Co-signed. _________________ Don't make me give you a trout slap! |
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LVLAKERFAN Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 5347 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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The one thing that I remember about Rodman is that he kicked a cameraman in the nuts on natinoal tv without a motive.
We really don't know what Artest did since there really isn't any video proof of him hitting his wife. When ever J-Kidd is brought up, I have yet to hear that he is a wife beater, because everyone believes his wife is culprit.
I really don't think Artest is as bad as everyone thinks he is. He seems to have a good heart and is usually upfront and honest from what I've seen.
People make a big about him asking for time off to work on his music because he was overwhelmed with all NBA life and being a business man. Shaq used to lie and say his big toe hurt to get time off instead of just being honest. Rodman was no business man. What kind of business did he have? He just liked to party all the time.
If I was in Artest's place and someone threw a beer at my face while I was laying down, I can't not see myself reacting any differently then he did. You have some problems if you believe that you would have done nothing in the spur of the moment in that type of situation.
Ron Artest has only had 3 technicals and 1 flagrant. Since the brawl Kobe has had 29 Technical fouls and 2 flagrants and multiple suspentions.
The only reason we aren't getting Artest is either because no one would take on Vlad or Luke in a trade for us and Sacremento wouldn't make it easy for to get him. It would be pretty dumb to trade for Artest when we have to other SF's making MLE type money along with Artest.
If we were able to deal Luke or Vlad for something decent, I'd give up a lot to get Artest _________________ SCHROEDER/CARUSO/COOK
MATTHEWS/KCP/THT
LEBRON/KUZMA/BABYGIANIS
AD/MORRIS/DUDLEY
GASOL/HARRELL/TINKLE
Coachs:Vogel/Kidd |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 15436
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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It would probably take Kwame, Farmar, and a future pick. The kings aren't ready to sell him off for nothing. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 6668
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | $18 million on small forwards? |
I would imagine we'd get rid of VladRad in aquiring Ron-Ron. _________________ "You Must Be Willing To Give Up That Which Can Be Lost In Order To Gain That Which Cannot Be Lost." - FORTUNE COOKIE |
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waterman40 Star Player
Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Posts: 6292 Location: Central Coast
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I would, if it was for one of our SF's (Luke or Vlade) and change. _________________ LAKERS 2019-2020: NBA World Champions! |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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waterman40 wrote: | I would, if it was for one of our SF's (Luke or Vlade) and change. |
Not going to happen. |
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davidse Franchise Player
Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 14302
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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a no brainer.
there is no better chance for this team to get two way contributions from a player for that cheap of a price.
yeah, the risk the risk... what exactly is it that we're risking ?
a title ?
nope.
farmar ?
big deal. not taking any risks is a huge part of getting us in this situation in the first place.
the guy is going to opt out in 1 year when a decision on him can be made based on his performance this season.
i'll take that risk thank you very much. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 35946 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sage_10 wrote: | Hector the Pup wrote: | $18 million on small forwards? |
I would imagine we'd get rid of VladRad in aquiring Ron-Ron. |
I would imagine flying through the air on the back of a dragon, but that's not realistic either. |
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davidse Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | Sage_10 wrote: | Hector the Pup wrote: | $18 million on small forwards? |
I would imagine we'd get rid of VladRad in aquiring Ron-Ron. |
I would imagine flying through the air on the back of a dragon, but that's not realistic either. |
it's still more realistic than getting rid of vlad while acquiring artest. |
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Heartburn Star Player
Joined: 04 Oct 2001 Posts: 6356 Location: The Titanic that is the USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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LuxuryBrown wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | Phil can't control anybody anymore, maybe due to his physical health. Can't even control Cook and Bynum's temper and let's not get started with Smush. |
Exactly. I'm tired of people using Rodman as an example. Rodman wasn't crazy...Rodman was a businessman that knew his antics were gonna get him more attention which translated into more money. Rodman knew when it was time to go to work and when it was time to be "Rodman".
Artest has FOR REAL mental issues that he takes medication for. HUGE difference. |
quoted for truth.
Rodman at least respected MJ and PJ. Artest respects nothing and no one. It's only a matter of time before he just starts chucking up shots because he thinks he deserves to be the #1 option. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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One that's popping into my mind right now.
Phil wants Artest. Kobe wants Artest.
Is it possible a deal is in the works with Sacramento considering how much we invested in Fisher and just drafted Crittenton?
Something like:
Lakers trade: Farmar, Radmanovic and Kwame.
Kings trade: Artest, Thomas
Bynum/Turiaf
Odom/Cook
Artest/Walton
Kobe/Evans
Fisher/Crittenton
Hmm .... |
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KingKobe20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guarantedd a netter defender than Kwame. Offense too. A please Kobe for sure. Do it Mitch!!!!DO IT!!!!! |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Farmar and Radman is a good offer for Artest. |
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