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| LakerLanny wrote: | DB fighting through injuries and fatigue to get the job done, much like our team last night.
The last three games have aged me faster than Jimmy Carter in the White House. |
I am so glad we are done with the easy part of our schedule.
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It's very frustrating, but we manage to play to the level of our competition. I put the blame for that squarely on PJ. If he's such a great coach, why can't he make sure we are where we need to be mentally for each game?
I think we'll pick it up these next two games against Portland and Dallas. Luckily, neither of them are at full strength right now. We just need some W's...
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| BLP711 wrote: | | Thanks DB. I always look forward to reading your recaps after the game! |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE
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PHIL AND THE REFS ALMOST COST US THIS GAME. (and kobe sagging off stevenson didnt help)
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I don't understand Phil's often refusal to play Mbenga. At least he is a big body under the basket.
I don't know why our smalls insist on double teamming downlow while their guys hit 3s all game long. |
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| I was frustrated everytime Phil took Sasha out, seeing the team going up when he was in and going down when he was out. Sometimes Phil really lacks common sense. |
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| BigE32 wrote: | Thanks, DB. It's great to get to 50 wins and hopefully more. Few observations.
4. DB- How do we continue to sag off red hot shooters? They were 17 of 30 from beyond the arc; yet I still saw Young and Stevenson have wide open looks. We need to stay home on them. For example, up four with a little less than a minute in regulation, Fish was sagging off Young looking to give help in case there was a drive to the hoop. The result was a pass over to Young for a wide open three and a one point lead which caused us to go to OT. I'm happy and relieved that we won, but we do a poor job of defending the three point shot, especially when we're up three. Also, have you seen a team in the NBA who fouls more three point attempts than us?
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love the question...hate that needs to asked over and over and over again. 
should be the NUMBER 1 question...hope you get my point. 
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| Happy we got the win, even if it's a hard earn one against Wiz. |
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Whew! Fifty finally. Typical game of late. Stretches of great team play plus stretches of lazy defense = a roller coaster ride. Offensively, the team made shots. Defensively, slow rotations, not recognizing the hot hand, late recoveries. Are the guys just worn down, disinterested or just plain slow?
The bench mob was huge. Welcome back, Luke. Sasha was dead-eye plus a stopper. DJ was energetic on both ends. I certainly don't mind him playing more.
Hopefully, the calvary is on its way soon so that the team's rhythm can be restored in time for the playoffs. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: WIZARDS -at- LAKERS - 3/30 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| Vadorojo wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | Fact of the day: According to Luke, Lamar doesn't know how to swim. Did not know that. |
Wow ... it's really funny for me to imagine a 6'10" who can't swim ... but I suppose if you grew up on a basketball court, it's not completely ridiculous ... and it's more common in East-coasters like Lamar since swimming isn't quite as appealing as it is here in sunny SoCal. Fortunately, he's tall enough not to drown if he falls in a pool.
Oh yeah ... and great game and write-up.  I particularly appreciated the Mbenga and Sasha comments (and play). Props to Luke, too—he earned 'em! |
not too many swimming pools in Jamaica Queens. Life with Luke was actually funny this time. @ farmar in a life jacket walking around costco
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I love the win.... but last night's game wasn't an different from the previous two except for Kobe. It's good that Kobe began to share it and if he had shot a decent percentage, plus got some obvious calls, the game wouldn't have been as close.
However, last night highlights are current dilemna - we have become a perimeter team without any true low post presence, which means that we will live and die by how "hot" our perimeter players are game to game. Last night, Vlad and Sasha were hot, so we won. Who knows how they will perform the next night? Shooters are generally streaky... which means if we rely on them to win, our win totals will also be streaky and inconsistent. This is mostly because without an interior presence on D as well, we really don't have enough defense to stop anyone either.
It's the reality of the situation until we get Gasol or Bynum back, and until the likes of Kobe, Fish, and Mihm get a little more healthy.
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Phil's refusal to go offense for defense etc... kills me. Even college coaches know to do this.
Like I said last night. On that Caron 3 to tie it up at the end of regulation explain why Newble isn't in the game? His lack of triangle knowledge had no affect on that possession so why in the world do you not put your best perimeter defenders on the floor. I guarantee he would have contested that shot better than Derek.
Then with 10 seconds to go we have the ball and our lineup consists of Luke, Fisher, Odom, and Ronny. Why is Sasha and Vlad not on the floor?
Another pet peeve of mine is Phil's refusal to stand up for his players. That is one of the reasons Kobe's technical count is where it is at. He is often arguing on their behalf while Phil sits on his ass doing nothing. Even last night Kobe was hammered several times early in the game and there was no call. With Kobe unable to say anything about it Phil must speak up. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I love the win.... but last night's game wasn't an different from the previous two except for Kobe. It's good that Kobe began to share it and if he had shot a decent percentage, plus got some obvious calls, the game wouldn't have been as close.
However, last night highlights are current dilemna - we have become a perimeter team without any true low post presence, which means that we will live and die by how "hot" our perimeter players are game to game. Last night, Vlad and Sasha were hot, so we won. Who knows how they will perform the next night? Shooters are generally streaky... which means if we rely on them to win, our win totals will also be streaky and inconsistent. This is mostly because without an interior presence on D as well, we really don't have enough defense to stop anyone either.
It's the reality of the situation until we get Gasol or Bynum back, and until the likes of Kobe, Fish, and Mihm get a little more healthy. |
i don't disagree w/this but this team hasn't had a lot a problems w/scoring. look at all this +100 pt. games.
the perimeter defense is killing us and it's scary because it hasn't improved. we still are forced to deal w/what we have (or don't have.)
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^ one of the reasons why we are scoring so much is our lack of defense. if the other team scores quick and easy, we get more offensive touches.
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| Freakout wrote: | Phil's refusal to go offense for defense etc... kills me. Even college coaches know to do this.
Like I said last night. On that Caron 3 to tie it up at the end of regulation explain why Newble isn't in the game? His lack of triangle knowledge had no affect on that possession so why in the world do you not put your best perimeter defenders on the floor. I guarantee he would have contested that shot better than Derek.
Then with 10 seconds to go we have the ball and our lineup consists of Luke, Fisher, Odom, and Ronny. Why is Sasha and Vlad not on the floor?
Another pet peeve of mine is Phil's refusal to stand up for his players. That is one of the reasons Kobe's technical count is where it is at. He is often arguing on their behalf while Phil sits on his ass doing nothing. Even last night Kobe was hammered several times early in the game and there was no call. With Kobe unable to say anything about it Phil must speak up. |
 Phil's "relaxed" approach to the game baffles me also. It's one thing to let the team work thru things but with the tough losses recently and a very depleted roster, getting a win was crucial (not even getting into how tight the Western Conf is).
So bringing Newble in for that defensive sequence, I agree. Might not have changed the outcome, Butler may have still hit it, but confidence booster to Newble and it's not like Luke and Rad are going to be shocked they are not viewed as defensive specialists.
And I really agree about the tech situation with Phil, I don't know why he doesn't occaisonally stand up for his guys. Maybe he thinks it's encouraging the whine-fest after every play but can he not see Kobe's frustration growing and take one for him? Those subtle little jabs of Phil's towards the refs at interviews, etc are not helpng much. If it's an egregious run of no-calls in a game, speak up and take a tech if you have to! IMHO, Phil likes to think he's too cool and above all that...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Re: WIZARDS -at- LAKERS - 3/30 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | Vujacic --  -- Oh, yeah, got to bring a double tomato. Great game by Sasha. He was killing the Wizards from downtown and also matched up with Young better than our other guards. We went with Sasha at PG because of that. When you get two-way play like that, it's trouble for the opponent. The Sick Jumpers of Death were raining...20 points off the bench in 18 minutes. He was in on the key stop in overtime and sank two clutch FTs to take control of the game. The Stats: He scored 20 points on 6-9 shooting (6-8 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 2 assists and 2 fouls in 18 minutes. The Action: He drained a corner three off a swing pass from Farmar. He missed a wing three in early offense. He swished a wide open three straight away. He swished a wing three, working well off the ball to get free. On fire, he drained another sideline three off good ball movement. He missed a wing jumper trying to beat the clock. He sat with 12 points on 4-6 shooting. Second Half: He missed a three. He drained a sideline three when Kobe spotted him cross court. He drained a top-of-the-key three on an inside-out possession. Overtime: Finally, Phil went back to Sasha against Young late in OT for a key defensive stand. They tried to attack Sasha, but his length challenged Young well for a miss on iso. He was fouled after Luke saved the ball and Sasha made both FTs to ice the game. |
Sasha was THE MAN last night, wasn't he? Farmar was really getting abused by Nick Young, but Sasha played perfect post defense on that last possession. Sasha is quickly becoming one of my favorite Lakers ...
| Quote: | Mbenga --  -- Great minutes from Mbenga and Phil gave him some longer run. He was Mballing on both ends and sparked the crowd a number of times. He seemed to get the ball in his hands quite a bit with the shotclock low, but usually good things happened. He showed some nice range on his jumper. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-5 shooting to go with 3 boards, 1 block and just 1 foul in 10 minutes. The Action: He came in for the final minute of the half. Nice high screen that freed Kobe up and Washington was forced to foul. Kobe worked off Mbenga again for an And-1. Second Half: He swished a 16-footer from the wing with the shotclock low. He sank a high-arching bank shot from the left side. He cut to the ball, took the pass and finished the jumphook off the glass. He missed a one-hander, should have dunked it instead of going glass. He saved a defensive board back in to Kobe. He swatted a Haywood shot in the paint and it led to a dunk for Luke on the bust-out and a Wizard timeout. He missed a jumphook to just beat the shotclock. |
I've also got to say that I am very please to M'Benga. He's really shown up the past couple of weeks every since Gasol went down with the injury. Prior to this stretch, I would have readily looked to replaced M'Benga with Kwame M'Brown as the third center next season, but now I'm not so sure about that. I like what I see from DJ, and I definitely know that Kwame wouldn't have handled two or three of those passes that M'Benga caught and converted last night ...
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| JTS wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | I love the win.... but last night's game wasn't an different from the previous two except for Kobe. It's good that Kobe began to share it and if he had shot a decent percentage, plus got some obvious calls, the game wouldn't have been as close.
However, last night highlights our current dilemna - we have become a perimeter team without any true low post presence, which means that we will live and die by how "hot" our perimeter players are game to game. Last night, Vlad and Sasha were hot, so we won. Who knows how they will perform the next night? Shooters are generally streaky... which means if we rely on them to win, our win totals will also be streaky and inconsistent. This is mostly because without an interior presence on D as well, we really don't have enough defense to stop anyone either.
It's the reality of the situation until we get Gasol or Bynum back, and until the likes of Kobe, Fish, and Mihm get a little more healthy. |
i don't disagree w/this but this team hasn't had a lot a problems w/scoring. look at all this +100 pt. games.
the perimeter defense is killing us and it's scary because it hasn't improved. we still are forced to deal w/what we have (or don't have.) |
As Mr. 81 stated, faster pace and faster scores will naturally lead to higher point totals. Like against Memphis, there were 120+ possessions in that game... that's a crazy number when the league average is closer to 90 possessions per game.
However, defense of course is the real problem.... its not perimeter D, its interior D. What happens is that we can't limit penetration because we don't have a defensive anchor nor a PG which can stop guards.... you need at least one to be a good defensive team, right now we have neither. Accordingly, what happens is that we either give up too much penetration which leads to help from the perimeter or we can't guard post up players one on one, which again leads to help from the perimeter.... so what happens is we help, sag off the perimeter which causes us to scramble on D, leaving open shooters and open passing lanes for easy scores.
If footbal is won in trenches on both sides of the ball, basketball is won in the lane... again, on both sides of the ball. A good offensive team can score in the lane and a good defensive team forces the opposing team to score from the perimeter. Right now, we do neither and so like teams like Chicago, Washington, Seattle, Milwaukee, and Dallas, we rely on converting our outside shots to win games with the inconsistent results to match.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | JTS wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | I love the win.... but last night's game wasn't an different from the previous two except for Kobe. It's good that Kobe began to share it and if he had shot a decent percentage, plus got some obvious calls, the game wouldn't have been as close.
However, last night highlights our current dilemna - we have become a perimeter team without any true low post presence, which means that we will live and die by how "hot" our perimeter players are game to game. Last night, Vlad and Sasha were hot, so we won. Who knows how they will perform the next night? Shooters are generally streaky... which means if we rely on them to win, our win totals will also be streaky and inconsistent. This is mostly because without an interior presence on D as well, we really don't have enough defense to stop anyone either.
It's the reality of the situation until we get Gasol or Bynum back, and until the likes of Kobe, Fish, and Mihm get a little more healthy. |
i don't disagree w/this but this team hasn't had a lot a problems w/scoring. look at all this +100 pt. games.
the perimeter defense is killing us and it's scary because it hasn't improved. we still are forced to deal w/what we have (or don't have.) |
As Mr. 81 stated, faster pace and faster scores will naturally lead to higher point totals. Like against Memphis, there were 120+ possessions in that game... that's a crazy number when the league average is closer to 90 possessions per game.
However, defense of course is the real problem.... its not perimeter D, its interior D. What happens is that we can't limit penetration because we don't have a defensive anchor nor a PG which can stop guards.... you need at least one to be a good defensive team, right now we have neither. Accordingly, what happens is that we either give up too much penetration which leads to help from the perimeter or we can't guard post up players one on one, which again leads to help from the perimeter.... so what happens is we help, sag off the perimeter which causes us to scramble on D, leaving open shooters and open passing lanes for easy scores.
If footbal is won in trenches on both sides of the ball, basketball is won in the lane... again, on both sides of the ball. A good offensive team can score in the lane and a good defensive team forces the opposing team to score from the perimeter. Right now, we do neither and so like teams like Chicago, Washington, Seattle, Milwaukee, and Dallas, we rely on converting our outside shots to win games with the inconsistent results to match. |
thanks for the explanation. very well written.
i feel better now. :rolleyes.
please, we need our frontline guys back!!!!!!
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