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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Draft 2006: Which player you wanna see in PnG? Be realistic...

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I didn't realize dropping all the way down to the lottery was unrealistic. The way this season is going, Would you really be surprised if we got Morrison, Gay, or Aldridge?

Mike, where is Splitter projected to be drafted, anyway?


Anywhere between #5 to #15. I'm banking on the fact that he won't do any workouts, but usually players who "test the waters twice" usually do well. He withdrew last season and would've been drafted top 13 anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Draft 2006: Which player you wanna see in PnG? Be realistic...

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Which player you wanna see in Los Angeles? But name a realistic one, not Adam Morrison, Rudy Gay or LaMarcus Aldridge...

I like Randy Foye, a combo-guard (can play the point in the triangle) from Villanova. 6'4, 205lbs, good attitude, fighter, good defense.


Josh Boone
Dee Brown
Maurice Ager
Hassan Adams
James White
Terrell Everett
Leon Powe

I want a real athletic wing that can play man D and spot up.

Or

A real backup PG with real PG triple threat PG skills who can face backup PGs without problems defensively.


yo mike what about that one cat from miami...Guillermo Diaz...supposedly he's got a 45 inch vert and from elitedraft he's got good range on his jumper...but some of the problems he has is his body control and that he's only 6'2" 190 lbs about...i haven't seen him play much so i was wondering if you had any input on him...


Overrated. Hell of an athlete, but I'm not high on Miami's program at all. Perfect body to be a PG, but zero PG skills. Pass.

I'd rather take a chance on James White. Same vert. 6'6"+ Good wingspan.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject:

I want Dee Brown, he will probably be gone. I'm sick of getting killed by little point gaurds. We need a guy like this who can create turnovers and pressure the ball. Plus he can score a bit too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Is the draft really shallow this year or is that a myth? Is the Miami pick going to be worth anything?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject:

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Is the draft really shallow this year or is that a myth? Is the Miami pick going to be worth anything?


I've heard numerous times that it is deep, but without much upside and star potential. Role players galore.

Age limit taking its toll, I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject:

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an athletic wing player: Hassan Adams (though he can't shoot), Maurice Ager or Shannon Brown are guys that i'd have my eye on this early on.


Here's my thing. I think Ager is the most complete 2/3 wing of the guys listed. Jumpshot, basic fundamentals both ends of the court, good size, very good athleticism. Shannon Brown is a notch below him all-around.

Adams on the other hand is like having Desmond Mason all over again. I don't see a problem with that either.



Mike - Adams certainly has the athleticism, but do you think think he has the guard skills to make it as a 2 in this league. The last time the Lakers tried to make a college 3 into an NBA 2 (well, actually they tried to make him into a 1½) he ended up in Charlotte for a second round pick. Now there's no comparison between Adams's and Rush's athleticism, but still, at 6'4" (generously), he can't play SF in the NBA.


Essentially, Adams would be playing a Devean George type role. Going by classical standards, shooting guards usually do two things. Shoot. Defend. Traditional PGs set up the plays and shooting guards nail from the perimeter.

However, after watching Desmond Mason's career, I think Hassan is exactly on the same path. Mason's wingspan may be 7'1"+ on a 6'5" frame, but it doesn't make him any less effective a SF, simply because he maximizes his game with his athletic ability.

Rush has nothing on Adams athletically. Unlike Rush, Adams can crash the boards and play some D. Richard Jefferson out of AZ had the same problem. He's fine at SF as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject:

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I want Dee Brown, he will probably be gone. I'm sick of getting killed by little point gaurds. We need a guy like this who can create turnovers and pressure the ball. Plus he can score a bit too.


I am 99% sure Dee Brown will be available at at the 26th pick.

He is a 6' Combo Guard. NBA teams are not tripping over themselves to get a undersized combo gaurd.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject:

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Is the draft really shallow this year or is that a myth? Is the Miami pick going to be worth anything?


The draft is supershallow up top, average after that IMO.

There are no superstar prospects in the Top 5.

That is why people are not excited.

It is a Joe Smith-Big Dog Robinson type draft.

Or maybe there is an Elton Brand there somewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject:

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Is the draft really shallow this year or is that a myth? Is the Miami pick going to be worth anything?


Very shallow. Zero franchise players. JJ Redick going lottery is like Trajan Langdon going top 10.

All picks are worth something. It's up to management to maximize the value of the pick.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

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I want Dee Brown, he will probably be gone. I'm sick of getting killed by little point gaurds. We need a guy like this who can create turnovers and pressure the ball. Plus he can score a bit too.


He may be around. GMs aren't too fond of 6' experienced PGs with proven skill. See Jameer Nelson.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

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All picks are worth something. It's up to management to maximize the value of the pick.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

Rudy Gay can be a franchise-player. Watch Adam Morrison rocking the NCAA, he can also be a FP.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject:

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Is the draft really shallow this year or is that a myth? Is the Miami pick going to be worth anything?


The draft is supershallow up top, average after that IMO.

There are no superstar prospects in the Top 5.

That is why people are not excited.

It is a Joe Smith-Big Dog Robinson type draft.

Or maybe there is an Elton Brand there somewhere.


Closest thing is LaMarcus Aldridge, and he only looks to be a solid PF at that. Cook's exact frame but he actually plays in the paint and has some more athletic ability.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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Rudy Gay can be a franchise-player. Watch Adam Morrison rocking the NCAA, he can also be a FP.


I disagree. NCAA level is far different from NBA. Gay doesn't have enough guard skills. He's proven to shoot some, defend some, and be an elite athlete. At the NBA level, it's like watching a skinny Maggette. Doesn't mean he's a franchise player.

Morisson may be scoring in bunches, but that'll change. He's not facing Artest, Bryant, Marion, etc.... all elite athletic types with length. It's not like Morrison had Bird' courtvision and passing ability at the NCAA level.

Think MJ looked like a franchise player at UNC? Never averaged more than 20ppg. Overshadowed by Worthy and Perkins.

What about Christian Laettner? Looked like a franchise player at Duke. Turns out the FP was Grant Hill.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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an athletic wing player: Hassan Adams (though he can't shoot), Maurice Ager or Shannon Brown are guys that i'd have my eye on this early on.


Here's my thing. I think Ager is the most complete 2/3 wing of the guys listed. Jumpshot, basic fundamentals both ends of the court, good size, very good athleticism. Shannon Brown is a notch below him all-around.

Adams on the other hand is like having Desmond Mason all over again. I don't see a problem with that either.



Mike - Adams certainly has the athleticism, but do you think think he has the guard skills to make it as a 2 in this league. The last time the Lakers tried to make a college 3 into an NBA 2 (well, actually they tried to make him into a 1½) he ended up in Charlotte for a second round pick. Now there's no comparison between Adams's and Rush's athleticism, but still, at 6'4" (generously), he can't play SF in the NBA.


Essentially, Adams would be playing a Devean George type role. Going by classical standards, shooting guards usually do two things. Shoot. Defend. Traditional PGs set up the plays and shooting guards nail from the perimeter.

However, after watching Desmond Mason's career, I think Hassan is exactly on the same path. Mason's wingspan may be 7'1"+ on a 6'5" frame, but it doesn't make him any less effective a SF, simply because he maximizes his game with his athletic ability.

Rush has nothing on Adams athletically. Unlike Rush, Adams can crash the boards and play some D. Richard Jefferson out of AZ had the same problem. He's fine at SF as well.


Both Mason and Jefferson are about 225 lbs. Hassan is about 200 lbs.

Big difference.

Jefferson is closer to 6'7" than 6'4". Mason is closer to 6'5".

Although Mason sucks behind the three point line he has a good enough mid-range jumper to make defenders respect it so he can drive to the basket.

Hassan does not really have that mid-range jumper.

Hassan needs to better his J AND put on 20-25 lbs of muscle to become a Mason/Jefferson type player.

Right now he has the size of a smalllish SG. 6'4" 200 lbs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject:

Shelden Williams.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject:

Guys, the Lakers need a PG, Randy Foye would be a great fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject:

Steven Smith from LaSalle, even though he's considered second round, is a solid choice.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject:

Man, I remember watching White's HS dunks online a few years ago and being amazed.

But is his vertical really 45"? That's Vince Carter territory.

"Athletic clay" seems right.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject:

What do people think of Marcus Williams? I watched the UConn Villanova game and while Rudy gay got shut down Marcus williams was doing a real good job controlling the tempo, making nice passes. I know he has character questions, but.... I'd prefer Dee Brown or Ager, and I wasn't paying much attention to Williams' defense.

also, that rashad anderson kid can shoot.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Draft 2006: Which player you wanna see in PnG? Be realistic...

Afro wrote:
Which player you wanna see in Los Angeles? But name a realistic one, not Adam Morrison, Rudy Gay or LaMarcus Aldridge...

I like Randy Foye, a combo-guard (can play the point in the triangle) from Villanova. 6'4, 205lbs, good attitude, fighter, good defense.


Foye will most likely go back to school...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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an athletic wing player: Hassan Adams (though he can't shoot), Maurice Ager or Shannon Brown are guys that i'd have my eye on this early on.


Here's my thing. I think Ager is the most complete 2/3 wing of the guys listed. Jumpshot, basic fundamentals both ends of the court, good size, very good athleticism. Shannon Brown is a notch below him all-around.

Adams on the other hand is like having Desmond Mason all over again. I don't see a problem with that either.



Mike - Adams certainly has the athleticism, but do you think think he has the guard skills to make it as a 2 in this league. The last time the Lakers tried to make a college 3 into an NBA 2 (well, actually they tried to make him into a 1½) he ended up in Charlotte for a second round pick. Now there's no comparison between Adams's and Rush's athleticism, but still, at 6'4" (generously), he can't play SF in the NBA.


Essentially, Adams would be playing a Devean George type role. Going by classical standards, shooting guards usually do two things. Shoot. Defend. Traditional PGs set up the plays and shooting guards nail from the perimeter.

However, after watching Desmond Mason's career, I think Hassan is exactly on the same path. Mason's wingspan may be 7'1"+ on a 6'5" frame, but it doesn't make him any less effective a SF, simply because he maximizes his game with his athletic ability.

Rush has nothing on Adams athletically. Unlike Rush, Adams can crash the boards and play some D. Richard Jefferson out of AZ had the same problem. He's fine at SF as well.


The thing is, Jefferson and George have a few inches on Adams, and Mason has at least an inch on him. Not to mention Mason (and Rajon Rondo) have the longest arms I've ever seen. Plus, Adams is more of a scorer than a shooter (though he can definitley get hot), so he's going to need his offensive game to translate almost verbatim from college to the pros. I certainly don't see him on the perimeter just spotting up.

Now, like you said, he most definitely crashes the offensive boards and he certainly has the quickness to defend 2s, but he's reachy and oftentimes downright lazy on 'D'. I guess I see him maybe as instant energy/scoring off the bench and against certain matchups possibly on the floor with Kobe, but I think he would be basically be a niche player. Your comparison to RJ is probably right on (with Adams getting the edge in shooting), only minus a few inches.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Our biggest need is an INITIATOR ( = big athletic combo guard in Phil's ideal world) and a post scorer.

There aren't a lot of good post scorers in this draft. That will have to come via trade.

So for the draft---

If we move up:

Ronnie Brewer or Mardy Collins

Or:

Marcus Vinicius

Here's some info on Vinicius:

Marcus Vinicius
Small Forward (Rank: #71) | 6-9, 215 | Age: 21
Brazil (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
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Draft Projection: Late first round to second round

Notes: Plays for Sao Carlos in Brazil. Averaging 19.5 ppg and 4.5 apg in 35 mpg this season but lately has been scoring at a much higher clip. He had a 32 point, 9 rebound and 6 assist game on November 29 and a 32 point, 8 rebound, 7 assist game on November 13. His agent, Michael Coyne, hired Bob Donewald (a former Cavs and Hornets assistant coach under Paul Silas) to oversee Vinicius' training and coaching in Brazil. Donewald has Vinicius lifting every day and is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets in an effort to prepare him for the NBA. Vinicius (formerly known as Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza) declared for the 2005 NBA draft but withdrew his name after not getting a first-round guarantee.

Positives: Vinicius has the skills to be an NBA player. He's a long, athletic small forward with a great jump shot. He has excellent ball-handling skills. His handle has improved to the point that he's currently playing point guard full time for his team in Brazil. According to Donewald, he's especially difficult to handle in the open court. Several scouts, after seeing him in Brazil, are projecting him as a potential point forward in the pros.

Negatives: In the past, scouts have been concerned about his lack of strength and some major defensive shortcomings. In previous seasons, his lack of strength affected his ability to play in the paint and finish around the basket. However, Vinicius has bulked up from 190 to 215 over the past year. However, he's still at least 10 to 15 pounds away from being strong enough to play in the league.

Summary: There was some buzz on Vinicius last year after some solid play in Italy, but he's really getting interest this year. The fact that Donewald is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets, letting him play point guard and getting him on a legit strength and conditioning program have piqued everyone's interest. A few of the scouts Insider talked to who have seen him recently say the improvement is dramatic. While he's a second rounder at the moment, he has the potential, with strong workouts and continued improvement, to work his way into the first round. He's got the raw tools to be a legit prospect.

See also:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1206
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject:

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Yes!

But hopefully he stays at least one more year.

They will be a top 5 team next year if he does.

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