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One of Pasadena's finest! Congrats Coop!!!
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I remember the impact Coop made with his defense, and eventually on offense as well when it counted.
Richly deserved - Congratulations Coop!     |
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It's nice to see a defensive player get into the HOF. Defense is Coop's forte. Having said that, is it fair to other great defensive players who didn't make it?
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | So his jersey needs to go up as well. Although I think its undeserving. How is Cooper a hall of famer when in his own era shooting guards such as Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson and his own teammate Byron Scott were undoubtedly better players than him?????? As good as Cooper is, there is no one in their right mind that would think Cooper was a better player than ANY of those three. Robertson was arguably just as good a defender as Cooper and much much better on offense. Makes no sense whatsoever.
At least with Billups it makes sense. Multiple time all-star and in 2006, Billups was the best player on the best team and an MVP candidate and was the best point guard in the NBA that year ahead of Nash, Parker and all others. |
Cooper was an unbelievably great defender - Julius Erving, Larry Bird, George Gervin, Gus Williams, Clyde Drexler - whoever the best guard/wing on the other team was, the 6'5" 165# Cooper drew the assignment and locked him down. |
Yes - having watched each of those Showtime Titles intently, on the edge of my seat every game every series, Coop had a huge impact on the outcome of games with his defense. Showtime was known for offense not defense, but Coop carried a huge load on his shoulders and performed magnificently. Big reason we prevailed at winning time. Best defender in the league and one of the best defenders ever to play the game. Clutch AF later on in his career from outside as well. Having watched him play I find it odd anyone would place Rolando Blackmon, Alvin Robertson, or even Byron Scott above Michael Cooper in a HOF ranking. Anyone old enough to follow the flow of a basketball game during the Showtime era, that is. |
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danzag
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| COOOOOOOOOOOOOOP |
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| Well deserved Coop. I will be going to Springfield as their will be a strong Laker contingent. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| jodeke wrote: | | It's nice to see a defensive player get into the HOF. Defense is Coop's forte. Having said that, is it fair to other great defensive players who didn't make it? |
I looked it up last night out of curiosity. But of the 19 players in NBA history to be selected to 8 (or more) All-Defensive Teams: Chris Paul, Draymond Green, Bruce Bowen, and Norm Van Lier are the only ones not in the HOF. CP3 is a first ballot HOF, Draymond will most likely make it eventually, so 17 out of 19 ain't too bad.
Also: Hakeem, David Robinson, KG, Payton, Rodman, Draymond and Cooper are the only ones with 8+ All-Defensive selections to have also won DPOY.
Not to mention that since it's the Basketball HOF (not just the NBA HOF) then his second career as a 2-time championship WNBA coach probably gave Coop a boost. |
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I was a kid when I watched Coop with the Lakers and I have to admit, after re watching the full games as an adult, I completely undervalued his contribution.
He was probably the only legit 3&D guy in the league and I mean big time 3 and big time D.
Coop from 86 to 89 hit more three pointers than any other player in the playoffs. He hit 99. Ainge was next at 65. He also hit them as a 43.4% clip. Compared to the rest of the league at the time that's next level accuracy.
We all know the defense. Great at all aspects, man to man, disruptive team defender, countless of impossible chase down blocks.
But on top of his all time elite 3&D skills his was the backup point guard for the SHOWTIME Lakers. Meaning he had to initiate the offense in the half court and in the fast break.
Not to mention he was excellent fishing in transition as well.
Don't let the simple counting numbers fool ya.Coop was a great baseball player worthy of the hall in fame induction.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:03 am Post subject: |
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about time
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Coop Vs Draymond vs Rodman, same level
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Coop is not the first player on dynasty teams with primarily defensive prowess to get into the Hall of Fame.
The first one was K.C. Jones, who was never an all-star, an All-NBA or an All-Defense (his career preceded the All-Defensive Teams). He got in 22 years after he retired. Why? simply because he was on a dynasty.
If K.C. could get in, Coop has a legitimate case. Coop's wait was 33 years, longer than K'C.'s. I thought he would eventually get in, at worst via the veteran's committee.
And I think Bruce Bowen will eventually get in too.
And the arguments against other prominent players like Alvin Robertson or Gus Williams? simple, they weren't on dynasty teams. |
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| governator wrote: | | Coop Vs Draymond vs Rodman, same level |
Draymond won't need to wait as long as Coop. He's a lock with DPOY, 8 all defensive team selections, 4 all-star appearances, 2 all NBA team selections and 4 rings. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Coop Vs Draymond vs Rodman, same level |
Draymond won't need to wait as long as Coop. He's a lock with DPOY, 8 all defensive team selections, 4 all-star appearances, 2 all NBA team selections and 4 rings. |
Pretty similar
5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
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| ksmgf wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | Dude, AWESOME news. I had almost lost hope…. |
Will we ever see Horry and D Fish in the Hall of Fame? |
Sure lets let everybody in. |
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| danzag wrote: | | COOOOOOOOOOOOOOP |
Yeah I see you watched the Lakers in the 80s |
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watching old tapes during the early years from '80-'85, one crucial trait I noticed was Coop showed no fear on the road, especially at the old Boston Garden. He played a vital role during the 80s title run by handling the ball on offense as the 6th man when Magic took a break. His ball IQ was pretty high, imo, which explains why he was also a good coach in his later years. He could shoot the 3 from the corners when the defense forgot about him and could take a beating against the larger F/C when he went into the lane. Most of all he could lock down the opponent's best player on defense which earned him DPOY. If he played elsewhere during his prime, he could've easily been a starter and an All-Star. I'm happy for Cooper, he definitely deserves this honor.
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| WorthyNum1 wrote: | Coop is not the first player on dynasty teams with primarily defensive prowess to get into the Hall of Fame.
The first one was K.C. Jones, who was never an all-star, an All-NBA or an All-Defense (his career preceded the All-Defensive Teams). He got in 22 years after he retired. Why? simply because he was on a dynasty.
If K.C. could get in, Coop has a legitimate case. Coop's wait was 33 years, longer than K'C.'s. I thought he would eventually get in, at worst via the veteran's committee.
And I think Bruce Bowen will eventually get in too.
And the arguments against other prominent players like Alvin Robertson or Gus Williams? simple, they weren't on dynasty teams. |
Cooper is the first defensive specialist to get in as a bench player.
Dave Debusschere, Bobby Jones, Dennis Johnson, etc., were all primarily starters. Cooper never started more than 20 games in a season.
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| Zillethai wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | Dude, AWESOME news. I had almost lost hope…. |
Will we ever see Horry and D Fish in the Hall of Fame? |
Sure lets let everybody in. |
If Fisher and Horry even get one iota of consideration for the hall of fame, it will have completely lost its significance. |
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| 8Five8Seven wrote: | | watching old tapes during the early years from '80-'85, one crucial trait I noticed was Coop showed no fear on the road, especially at the old Boston Garden. He played a vital role during the 80s title run by handling the ball on offense as the 6th man when Magic took a break. His ball IQ was pretty high, imo, which explains why he was also a good coach in his later years. He could shoot the 3 from the corners when the defense forgot about him and could take a beating against the larger F/C when he went into the lane. Most of all he could lock down the opponent's best player on defense which earned him DPOY. If he played elsewhere during his prime, he could've easily been a starter and an All-Star. I'm happy for Cooper, he definitely deserves this honor. |
No...just no. The guy who could have been an all star if he was somewhere else was Byron Scott who even led the Lakers in scoring one year. If Cooper was an all star caliber player, he would have never been a bench player to begin with on the Lakers but his offense was nowhere the caliber of Scott's and Scott could play some defense as well (guards the waterbug quick players better than even Cooper could). Cooper had a slow release and simply could not do all the things on offense Byron could do.
You really underestimate the 80s if you think Cooper would have been an all star. There is a reason Byron Scott never got in even though he led the Lakers in scoring one year. He had to compete with: Walter Davis, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Dale Ellis, Fat Lever, Derek Harper, Rolando Blackman, John Stockton, Terry Porter, Sleepy Floyd and in earlier years against Norm Nixon, John Lucas and Johnny Moore. Small Forwards? There is a reason Purvis Short never got selected as an all star competing against the likes of James Worthy, Alex English, Mark Aguirre, Adrian Dantley, Larry Nance, Xavier McDaniel and Tom Chambers. This is all for only just the western conference keep in mind. The East was just as stacked in the 80s if not even more so. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | WorthyNum1 wrote: | Coop is not the first player on dynasty teams with primarily defensive prowess to get into the Hall of Fame.
The first one was K.C. Jones, who was never an all-star, an All-NBA or an All-Defense (his career preceded the All-Defensive Teams). He got in 22 years after he retired. Why? simply because he was on a dynasty.
If K.C. could get in, Coop has a legitimate case. Coop's wait was 33 years, longer than K'C.'s. I thought he would eventually get in, at worst via the veteran's committee.
And I think Bruce Bowen will eventually get in too.
And the arguments against other prominent players like Alvin Robertson or Gus Williams? simple, they weren't on dynasty teams. |
Cooper is the first defensive specialist to get in as a bench player.
Dave Debusschere, Bobby Jones, Dennis Johnson, etc., were all primarily starters. Cooper never started more than 20 games in a season. |
Positive step for the Hall. It's time to back up the "defense wins championships" cliche and give some love to players that weren't starters. Some of which played important minutes, in crunch time, of the most important games, and delivered on both ends of the court.
I don't see how "better" players that put up stats on bad, irrelevant teams is Hall worthy stuff. Many guys didn't have the chance to play on higher profile teams. Nobody said life is fair.
Key word "fame." This is the Hall of Fame not just Hall of Statistics.
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | Dude, AWESOME news. I had almost lost hope…. |
Will we ever see Horry and D Fish in the Hall of Fame? |
Sure lets let everybody in. |
If Fisher and Horry even get one iota of consideration for the hall of fame, it will have completely lost its significance. |
I agree, but lets face it... Vlade Divac made it |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | Dude, AWESOME news. I had almost lost hope…. |
Will we ever see Horry and D Fish in the Hall of Fame? |
Sure lets let everybody in. |
If Fisher and Horry even get one iota of consideration for the hall of fame, it will have completely lost its significance. |
I agree, but lets face it... Vlade Divac made it |
Vlade is like a not in shape Jokic
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| Zillethai wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | Dude, AWESOME news. I had almost lost hope…. |
Will we ever see Horry and D Fish in the Hall of Fame? |
Sure lets let everybody in. |
If Fisher and Horry even get one iota of consideration for the hall of fame, it will have completely lost its significance. |
I agree, but lets face it... Vlade Divac made it |
Vlade would not have gotten in based solely on his NBA career. Valde's international play had a lot to do with it. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | So his jersey needs to go up as well. Although I think its undeserving. How is Cooper a hall of famer when in his own era shooting guards such as Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson and his own teammate Byron Scott were undoubtedly better players than him?????? As good as Cooper is, there is no one in their right mind that would think Cooper was a better player than ANY of those three. Robertson was arguably just as good a defender as Cooper and much much better on offense. Makes no sense whatsoever.
At least with Billups it makes sense. Multiple time all-star and in 2006, Billups was the best player on the best team and an MVP candidate and was the best point guard in the NBA that year ahead of Nash, Parker and all others. |
Wake up 1995, It's obvious you don't have a clue about the 80's Lakers. Bottomline, the Lakers don't win all those titles without Coop, he was part of the heart and soul of thse teams a true and long overdue Hall of Famer!!! |
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| West44 wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | So his jersey needs to go up as well. Although I think its undeserving. How is Cooper a hall of famer when in his own era shooting guards such as Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson and his own teammate Byron Scott were undoubtedly better players than him?????? As good as Cooper is, there is no one in their right mind that would think Cooper was a better player than ANY of those three. Robertson was arguably just as good a defender as Cooper and much much better on offense. Makes no sense whatsoever.
At least with Billups it makes sense. Multiple time all-star and in 2006, Billups was the best player on the best team and an MVP candidate and was the best point guard in the NBA that year ahead of Nash, Parker and all others. |
Wake up 1995, It's obvious you don't have a clue about the 80's Lakers. Bottomline, the Lakers don't win all those titles without Coop, he was part of the heart and soul of thse teams a true and long overdue Hall of Famer!!! |
Coop deserves to be in the Hall. The only person he couldn’t guard was Andrew Toney. |
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