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troy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:57 am Post subject: Why can't we hit a fng jump shot? |
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Lakers frustrating the hell out of me now. Not understanding how professional basketball players can make millions of dollars per season and not be able to make a wide open or mildly contested jump shot. I have NBA league pass and I see other teams make shots all the time. Then I watch the Lakers and I see why we're a sub .500 team. How can we have so many players that can't even accomplish the most basic aspect of the game; make a shot? |
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Lakersfan1211 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Happens to a lot of our supposed 3&D players wearing the P&G.
KCP
Malik Beasley
Wes Matthews
Danny Green
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Lonnie Walker
Too much pressure here. |
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defense Retired Number
Joined: 12 Jan 2010 Posts: 39685
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Rhythm is huge in basketball
Our best shooters have none right now |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 7948 Location: Lake Forest
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Our shooters get the wrong type of shot (ie: TP getting catch/shoot instead of off screen)
Our shooters don't get open shots consistently with volume.
Shooters are afraid to miss because they'll get DNP's for the next week. |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Our shooters get the wrong type of shot (ie: TP getting catch/shoot instead of off screen)
Our shooters don't get open shots consistently with volume.
Shooters are afraid to miss because they'll get DNP's for the next week. |
I think this is a big problem with this team.
They play scared all the time.
You just got to let them shoot.
I'd pull them for lazy passes, but for passing up wide open threes, I'd bench them for not taking them over taking them and missing. |
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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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This is one area where coaching can help a lot. Having players with consistent minutes/roles can often lead to better shooting performances. Not always, but it is definitely harder to shoot without a consistent role or minutes.
Dusting players off the end of the bench and expecting them to make their shots is a low rate of success. Benching guys for not shooting their 3's well in limited minutes only makes them worse. Confidence is a huge part of the game, and things like this lower your confidence overall.
Getting a catch and shoot guy the ball and expecting him to make 3's off the dribble is bad. Making someone stand in the corner when they're used to coming off screens can severely impact their shooting. The 3 pt% stat doesn't take into account what kinds of shots they're getting. |
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troy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's either Mr. Ham is not allowing the shooters to get to their spots, or the role players are intimidated by Lebron/LA fans, or the role players are sabotaging games just to get Mr. Ham fired. All I know is that something is wrong with our offense. We are currently at the bottom of the league in offensive production, and this is in spite of having a healthy and MVP potential AD, and the game's most proficient scorer in Lebron. |
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troy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Happens to a lot of our supposed 3&D players wearing the P&G.
KCP
Malik Beasley
Wes Matthews
Danny Green
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Lonnie Walker
Too much pressure here. |
But is the pressure from being intimidated by Lebron or just playing in Los Angeles? Clipper players play relaxed, and yet they play in LA too. |
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Brawn13 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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troy wrote: | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Happens to a lot of our supposed 3&D players wearing the P&G.
KCP
Malik Beasley
Wes Matthews
Danny Green
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Lonnie Walker
Too much pressure here. |
But is the pressure from being intimidated by Lebron or just playing in Los Angeles? Clipper players play relaxed, and yet they play in LA too. |
Lakers have 17 championships and Lebron has been to 10 finals. You’re expected to win here, that’s a lot of pressure. Let’s be honest,
With Lakers fans (and Lebron fans) it’s championship or bust.
There is no other team/player that has that effect on guys. We are hated for having lots of success, so we operate under microscope so non lakers/Lebron fans can celebrate and ridicule our shortcomings when they happen.
Our own spoiled fans demand titles and the petty outside world loves to pile on if we come up short. That combo would do a number on anyone but the mentally toughest people. |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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...smple...
Dribble dribble..Hero Ball insert(LBJ/DAvis/AR)
Others(rioles)..standiing around stagnant watching....creates bad offense
No Catch shoot players majority need ball in hand.....so no open kickouts work.
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slavavov Star Player
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8456 Location: Santa Monica
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Running a better halfcourt offense would help guys get better looks, as would adopting a more positive and constructive attitude as a team.
Right now it seems the only way we can score is in transition, which only accounts for about 20-30 points a game.
Quote: | Happens to a lot of our supposed 3&D players wearing the P&G.
KCP
Malik Beasley
Wes Matthews
Danny Green
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Lonnie Walker
Too much pressure here. |
That's an overblown myth. KCP actually got better here, Beasley was already struggling before he got here, Matthews was washed, Green, Hart and Walker did OK here and Ball was just a terrible shooter at that time.
Taurean Prince shot almost 45% from downtown in December after shooting poorly in November. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Because we have no offensive schemes. Everyone stands around to let LeBron create and is expected to hit stand around jump shots.
I brought this up when we signed Gabe Vincent. You watch his highlights and most of his baskets are coming off of ball movement, and professional level NBA offensive schemes. The Lakers run middle school level recess pick up game offense. It’s a (bleep) disgrace. |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ball and KCP actually shoot better after they left the Lakers. What's up with KCP? He was shooting lights out against us in the playoffs. I thought he was just on hot streak but this season he's shooting 41.5% from three. I'm positive the problem is with Laker franchise itself but I don't know how to remedy it. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024 |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ball changed his whole jump shot after leaving the Lakers. It wasn't just simply not wearing P&G. KCP shot 39% his last two seasons with the Lakers from three. Because we ran an offense that caught them in rhythm. Ham doesn't. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | Ball and KCP actually shoot better after they left the Lakers. What's up with KCP? He was shooting lights out against us in the playoffs. I thought he was just on hot streak but this season he's shooting 41.5% from three. I'm positive the problem is with Laker franchise itself but I don't know how to remedy it. |
It’s this inexplainable attitude of Lakers players that pervades through roster changes, through coaching changes, through it all. It’s like once the players put on that Lakers uniform, they become “Hollywood” and refuse to cooperate as a collective unit under the direction of the coach. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144578 Location: The Gold Coast
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Because we have no offensive schemes. Everyone stands around to let LeBron create and is expected to hit stand around jump shots.
I brought this up when we signed Gabe Vincent. You watch his highlights and most of his baskets are coming off of ball movement, and professional level NBA offensive schemes. The Lakers run middle school level recess pick up game offense. It’s a (bleep) disgrace. |
Excellent post. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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lakeshowtacular Starting Rotation
Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 712
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:18 am Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Because we have no offensive schemes. Everyone stands around to let LeBron create and is expected to hit stand around jump shots.
I brought this up when we signed Gabe Vincent. You watch his highlights and most of his baskets are coming off of ball movement, and professional level NBA offensive schemes. The Lakers run middle school level recess pick up game offense. It’s a (bleep) disgrace. |
Man, very funny!!!
That had me rolling until the sting of what it really means caught up to me _________________ Magic*Kobe*LBJ*AD*Cap |
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deal Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Aug 2008 Posts: 14949 Location: Earth
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:13 am Post subject: |
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JustaObserver wrote: | ...smple...
Dribble dribble..Hero Ball insert(LBJ/DAvis/AR)
Others(rioles)..standiing around stagnant watching....creates bad offense
No Catch shoot players majority need ball in hand.....so no open kickouts work.
the end |
I agree!!! It’s that simple. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:56 am Post subject: |
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^ yup _________________ “like I never left”
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Our offense is definitely disjointed. Our screen setting is weak and uncommitted. The guys mostly stand around too much. The line ups are poor. Everything seems rushed. We don't often involve Davis, which we should do every night. this does not mean dumping it to him like he's Shaq. Coach needs to have a plan on how he will get him involved within the flow. Then again we have no flow.
We seem equally unorganized on defense |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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A reason that’s just in a multitude of reasons
We are missing that energy player
Remember when we were winning cam reddish just seem to be everywhere. Literally just making turnover after turnover coming up with 50-50 balls.
Are we seeing as much of that from him or Vando?
Last year it was Austin Reeves that was doing that
We’re missing that dog |
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