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JustaObserver
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Did the KANG just walk off the court?
ohhhhhh...snaaaaap!  |
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mad55557777
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| Valdarno wrote: | Prince........0
Cam..........0
Vando........0
and all 3 with NEGATIVE +/- (but they are defensive studs, per Ham)
Ham needs to go.
Enough said...........
Oh and this:
“The problem to me is the coach” - Keyshawn Johnson points the finger at coach Darvin Ham for the Lakers' recent slump
How many more people have to say this??? |
They are defensive studs ,but guess what, Spo is not going to ask herro/lowry/robinson to just go iso on them, he is going to set picks to get them open and make us rotate. |
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Theseus
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| Halflife wrote: | The theme on spectrum
“ the team didn’t have fight”
That’s more than just poor coaching |
To me that is just a platitude you can say during any loss for any team. Guys were put into positions that they aren't ready to succeed in. You can blame the players, but the coaching staff is responsible for keeping guys ready and aware of what is happening.
Sure, injuries are a factor, but I think the injuries have just exposed deeper issues like poor team composition, and poor player utilization by the coaching staff. |
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coldzim
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Itsowheeze wrote: | | Reaves is a turnover machine. He needs to tighten that up. I dont know what's worse the turnovers or the over helping on defense. |
8 assists, 3 TOs.
He wasn't that bad. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Theseus wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | The theme on spectrum
“ the team didn’t have fight”
That’s more than just poor coaching |
To me that is just a platitude you can say during any loss for any team. Guys were put into positions that they aren't ready to succeed in. You can blame the players, but the coaching staff is responsible for keeping guys ready and aware of what is happening.
Sure, injuries are a factor, but I think the injuries have just exposed deeper issues like poor team composition, and poor player utilization by the coaching staff. |
The team is listless. We have seen great players get their team to fight.
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JustaObserver
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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...wAlp...Time to get rid of the whole team again for tha KANG |
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Halflife
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LakerSD
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Blame the coaches, blame the FO, blame the role players…
The nasty truth that has been glossed over for quite some time is Lebron and AD are no longer capable of carrying a team as 1/2.
Role players aren’t the issue. That’s why you see them leave the Lakers and excel elsewhere.
The 2 superstar max players aren’t capable of carrying the team. For Lebron, it’s his age. For Anthony Davis it’s due to his limitations and being the head of the defense expending all his energy to cover for subpar defenders and LeGrandpa who can’t play both ends at his age. |
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Valdarno
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| TDRock wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Was Lebron sick? |
Yes |
But he wasn't sick for his B'Day Partay.... |
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Valdarno
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | Prince........0
Cam..........0
Vando........0
and all 3 with NEGATIVE +/- (but they are defensive studs, per Ham)
Ham needs to go.
Enough said...........
Oh and this:
“The problem to me is the coach” - Keyshawn Johnson points the finger at coach Darvin Ham for the Lakers' recent slump
How many more people have to say this??? |
They are defensive studs ,but guess what, Spo is not going to ask herro/lowry/robinson to just go iso on them, he is going to set picks to get them open and make us rotate. |
Good point! This is what a good coach does. |
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Itsowheeze
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| TMG wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | To be honest, hate to say this but I welcome the post Lebron era.
This team starts and stops with Lebron and when he has a crappy game, there is no flow because there is no leadership on this team.
Love Davis and Reaves’ game. Sick of everyone else.
Hate Ham! |
If Ham just played the rotation he did in the post season we'd probably have a much better record.
The playing of Taurean and Reddish who are at best 8-9th guy off the bench is unnacceptable.
They are borderline end of the bench type players. What on earth makes Ham think they'll contribute to winning? |
exactly. They should play no more than 15 min a game. You cant have them log big minutes and expect to complete |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | Prince........0
Cam..........0
Vando........0
and all 3 with NEGATIVE +/- (but they are defensive studs, per Ham)
Ham needs to go.
Enough said...........
Oh and this:
“The problem to me is the coach” - Keyshawn Johnson points the finger at coach Darvin Ham for the Lakers' recent slump
How many more people have to say this??? |
They are defensive studs ,but guess what, Spo is not going to ask herro/lowry/robinson to just go iso on them, he is going to set picks to get them open and make us rotate. |
Good point! This is what a good coach does. |
Gilbert Arenas had a telling comment on them too. He blamed Darvin the other day in his night cap but he also pointed out that the problem with the tourney is that once some guys win or get paid, they go check out because they got free money and they won something already … he said it during the title game and he wasn’t wrong because he equated to dealing with the Young, Javale, etc group he was on the wizards with and how they would be happy after a win and focus would wane |
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TDRock
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Was Lebron sick? |
Yes |
But he wasn't sick for his B'Day Partay.... |
That might be why he's still sick. My friends and I had a massive party New Year's Day and I've since heard a lot of people saying they're sick. Lol
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KingKobe20
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Darvin has improved in many ways from last season with all those ridiculous three guard lineups featuring Lonnie Walker at small forward.
He should be fired for all those DNP’s he gave Max and Christian.
As long as those two are on this particular roster there is ZERO reasons they shouldn’t consistently get burn.
Hate to say but Vogel would of had them consistently incorporated in the daily game schemes by this point of the season they would of been even better than what we’ve witnessed these past few games.
Also good chance Rui and Vando would be healthier not being forced to play backup center. |
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KingKobe20
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Sure the Heat are nothing close to world beaters while Jimmy is out with injury but they ALWAYS play hard and are coached very well by Spo.
Big wins against the sixers and magic and lost in close battles with the wolves and clippers.
What a difference a good coach like Spo makes |
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BILBJH
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It was hard to watch, but my takeaway was that we were in the game shooting absolutely terribly.
LBJ wasn't healthy.
No DLo or Rui
But Christie and Wood showing signs of life.
We draft Jaquez instead of JHS and we win that game in spite of the shooting. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | Blame the coaches, blame the FO, blame the role players…
The nasty truth that has been glossed over for quite some time is Lebron and AD are no longer capable of carrying a team as 1/2.
Role players aren’t the issue. That’s why you see them leave the Lakers and excel elsewhere.
The 2 superstar max players aren’t capable of carrying the team. For Lebron, it’s his age. For Anthony Davis it’s due to his limitations and being the head of the defense expending all his energy to cover for subpar defenders and LeGrandpa who can’t play both ends at his age. |
I think its a combination of all.
-Coach is bad
-Lebron is not the player he used to be
-Players are not a good fit |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | Sure the Heat are nothing close to world beaters while Jimmy is out with injury but they ALWAYS play hard and are coached very well by Spo.
Big wins against the sixers and magic and lost in close battles with the wolves and clippers.
What a difference a good coach like Spo makes |
HC is only a part of the issue. The biggest is the comparison of “culture”.
Heat play as a team and are expected to play with intensity each and every game, each and every player.
Compare to the Lakers that have consistently been uneven with intensity for years now. How many times a season do we have the “worst loss” or “disappointing effort” games per season?
At some point there needs to be a decision that doesn’t include inevitable narrative for mid season trades to “ get the right players to help James”.
Maybe it is time to start focusing on “getting the right players for Davis”? |
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Dominic1981
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| Blow it up at the deadline. This team is going nowhere |
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I've been shading for Darvin all season. I've been watching him. 👀 It's time I put the like of him behind and face reality. He hasn't created a culture. Culture is the foundation of a winning team. The Lakers don't have an identity. Inconsistency is their bane. They don't play with consistent effort. It's a coach's job to ensure that happens. Darvin doesn't seem to have it. It's early, I haven't gotten off the Ham Buss but I hear the door hissing.
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Pouting time
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Jeanie Buss is absolute worst owner. She always waits until it's painfully obvious then she makes her decision. She's probably going to let Ham coach out this season and maybe next and see how much more he could decimate the team. Same with Pelinka, she's probably never going to fire Pelinka no matter how poorly the Lakers perform because she values friendship and trust too much. Magic might still be our GM if he didn't resign.
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Blame the coaches, blame the FO, blame the role players…
The nasty truth that has been glossed over for quite some time is Lebron and AD are no longer capable of carrying a team as 1/2.
Role players aren’t the issue. That’s why you see them leave the Lakers and excel elsewhere.
The 2 superstar max players aren’t capable of carrying the team. For Lebron, it’s his age. For Anthony Davis it’s due to his limitations and being the head of the defense expending all his energy to cover for subpar defenders and LeGrandpa who can’t play both ends at his age. |
I think its a combination of all.
-Coach is bad
-Lebron is not the player he used to be
-Players are not a good fit |
Combination of factors is almost always the correct answer, just pointing out that every NBA team has flawed coaching and moving parts instead of role players.
No matter how many role players or coaches we shuffle, nothing is going to change until the primary problem is fixed Lebron/AD as the super star 1/2 is at best a fringe playoff/play-in team.
When I look at the rest the league I see plenty of contenders with flawed coaching and role players, it’s just their max stars are more able to consistently carry their respective teams.
The same issue is happening in Golden State with Curry and Klay. They didn’t suddenly get worse role players and Kerr has been there for an NBA lifetime. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Bron's probably tired of making excuses for our losses. His demeanor causes me to believe he thinks the reasons are coach and staff-related.
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