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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:17 am    Post subject: Midseason Grades

We are officially at the halfway mark of the season. Time for some grades.
Based on salary order, here are the players:

1. Russ
2. LBJ
3. AD
4. Beverly
5. Lonnie
6. Nunn
7. Jones
8. Gabriel
9. Bryant
10. Dennis
11. JTA
12. Troy Brown
13. Reaves
14. Christie
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:33 am    Post subject:

My grades:


1. Russ: B. he will never match his 47m contract IMO. I think he’s playing like a 12-15m/year level player right now. But in the role that he has been put in, I give him a solid B this season (which is a miracle for me). He brings a good change of pace off the bench, and is a creator (albeit I wish he would cut down on the silly turnovers). He still can’t shoot and I would not close out games with him. But in his role as a bench lead guard (something I’ve been asking for a long time), I think he’s doing a solid job.

2. LBJ: A-. Pretty ageless and crazy that he’s playing this well at 37-38. He is the team’s engine IMO. He has missed some games, and I wish he would play better defense at times. But I think he has done well this season.

3. AD: B. When he played, he has been an all NBA 1st team level player. But again, the injury bug struck (though the team has managed to stay afloat in his absence). It is equal parts amazing to watch him play, but frustrating to see him constantly go down with long-duration injuries. If he had not been out with injury, I would give him an A.

4. Beverly: C+. I think his defense has been ok, but I think his offense just kills this team. He is never trying to be a scorer and that handcuffs the team a bit, especially as a starter. He is still probably our best on-ball defender, but at 6 feet tall, just undersized against the big wings he is tasked with guarding.

5. Lonnie: B. Started off pretty well but has since come down to earth big time. Too inconsistent as a scorer, and his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

6. Nunn: D. I had high hopes for him to be our scoring guard off the bench. Just not sure what happened as he will show flashes of it, but can’t keep it consistently up. Defensively just not giving much either.

7. Jones: F. I was pleased we got him for the minimum deal but what happened to this guy? You could tell LBJ/Russ were getting increasingly frustrated with his butterfingers. He should be a rim running/rim protector that we need, but he hasn’t been able to crack the rotation.

8. Gabriel: A-. He may not have the skill of some of these players, but he always plays hard and is often undersized against the centers he has to face. I love the energy he brings.

9. Bryant: A. For a minimum deal, he has far outpaced it and has kept us afloat in AD’s absence. When AD returns, he will remain a key contributor to this team. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but his offense works perfectly with LBJ and Russ.

10. Dennis: B+. He has been really effective since AD has been out. Has way outplayed his minimum deal and has been basically our 2nd/3rd scorer behind LBJ/Bryant while AD is out.

11. JTA: C+. He is what he is. Energy guy, lacking some skill with shooting/scoring. Has been out a tone with injuries.

12. Troy Brown: B. I can see what Bulls/Wiz fans meant about him. He is inconsistent. He showed flashes of some shooting/defense/rebounding, but can also just disappear too.

13. Reaves: A-. One of our best secondary playmakers, much improved 3 point shooter. Seems reluctant to score sometimes and I wish he would shoot some of the wide open looks he gets. I feel like he should be a closer on this team but often gets overlooked by Ham.

14. Christie: B. I’ve been a huge proponent of this kid. Saw the defensive clay during the summer even when his shot and scoring was not there. He may be one of our top 3 perimeter defenders. Also love his rebounding prowess and he’s shooting well from 3.

15. Coach Ham: B-. He was given a flawed roster with 8 guards out of 14 spots. He’s had to deal with injuries to Bryant/Dennis, then LBJ, then AD. He has dealt with Russ and has him buying into a bench role. I do not understand his infatuation with 3-4 guard lineups which often puts us in a deficit. Also, we are one of the worst 3rd quarter team so that speaks to not making necessary changes during halftime. But all in all, he’s weathered a tough start to get this team floating to close to a .500 record.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:36 am    Post subject:

A
Dennis
TBryant
Reaves

B
Lebron (slow start cost us a better start)
AD (due to injury missing too many games as usual)

C
Westbrook (some great games but 47M pay and still not a core player around AD-Bron)
Walker (misleading stats)
Beverly (too slow a start)
Gabriel
Christie
Brown Jr.
JTA

JTA can elevate because he's been hurt, he's been decent when he's healthy.

D
Nunn (only now coming alive)
Jones (be fair coach doghouse, but wasn't a good fit in his system anyway)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:02 am    Post subject:

19-22 with 3 stars and no-one gets an F?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:11 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:

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C
Gabriel
Christie


Relative to expectations/role these two deserve better. They've beaten expectations, Gabriel has been a good energy rebounding garbage man. Christie has been a plus on defense and already trusted to guard opposing starting guards - that has to be better than average. Has been shooting better as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:45 am    Post subject:

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19-22 with 3 stars and no-one gets an F?


It depends on your criteria. We would all use our own criteria for grades, so we would issue different grades even if we viewed the players exactly the same way. There is also a recency bias. For example, WPL gives Schroder an A, but he sucked for most of the season. However, I won't criticize anyone's grades because, once again, everyone is entitled to use their own criteria.

I would say that a 19-22 team is a C- team and that no one deserves an A. I'd give Lebron a B+ and Davis a C (because injuries matter). I'd give an F to Jones and Nunn, who have been mostly useless. But that's just me applying my own personal criteria.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:53 am    Post subject:

A - Reaves, DS, Bryant

B - Wenyen, LW

C - Bron, AD, Brown, Max, JTA

D - PatBev, Russ

F - Nunn, Jones
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:04 am    Post subject:

Below average so I will be generous and give the team a C.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:27 am    Post subject:

Dennis has been an A for 5 games.

The rest of the season he was a C, even at the minimum.

I hope he stays at this level, but try to keep the recency bias in check.

Reaves was poor at the beginning... then had a long stretch of A games... then slumped which might have been because of injury.

LBJ started out rough... then has played at an A level although that is mitigated by his inability to play back to backs due to his age. His play is incredible for his age right now, but he's getting paid for every game so I'm not sure how you'd handicap it.

Russ started out an F... and has played himself to around a B minus level.

Beverly started out a D, but his shot has come around so he's also around a B minus/C level considering his price.

AD started out a little slow then played at an A plus level, then got hurt.
So a C for his lack of availability after promising to play 82 games.

Lonnie did the opposite of most players... he started well then kind of faded. I'd give him a B because he's relatively cheap...

I give Thomas Bryant an A, especially because of his price.

Nunn is a conundrum. When he went off the other night, he complained that he just needed a chance... and when I look at his minutes... he's right.

He produces when he gets the minutes. Maybe his defense keeps him off the court, maybe the emergence of Russ and Reaves stops him from playing.

JTA was started out like trash, but recently has improved so he's earned his minimum.

Wenyen is limited in terms of skill, but he tries hard. Don't mind seeing if he can improve in the future.

Troy started out okay, had a long terrible period... and was great for a few games until he got hurt. So a C for him.

It worries me that Ham didn't play either Max or Bryant until he had no choice.

I think Ham is a good players coach but strategy wise he seems like he has a lot to learn. So a C for me but I think he will get better over time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am    Post subject:

A
LeBron, Davis, Bryant

B
Schroeder, Gabriel, Reaves

C
Westbrook, Brown Jr, Walker, Christie

D
Beverley, JTA

F
Nunn, Jones
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:12 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
A
LeBron, Davis, Bryant

B
Schroeder, Gabriel, Reaves

C
Westbrook, Brown Jr, Walker, Christie

D
Beverley, JTA

F
Nunn, Jones


You're being a bit kind, there. He's missed 40% of the games thus far.

While he's definitely played "A" basketball when on the floor, the time missed to injury has to count for something. Being in street clothes doesn't help the team at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:19 am    Post subject:

Lamar's Bud wrote:
ocho wrote:
A
LeBron, Davis, Bryant

B
Schroeder, Gabriel, Reaves

C
Westbrook, Brown Jr, Walker, Christie

D
Beverley, JTA

F
Nunn, Jones


You're being a bit kind, there. He's missed 40% of the games thus far.

While he's definitely played "A" basketball when on the floor, the time missed to injury has to count for something. Being in street clothes doesn't help the team at all.


On any standard test... if you have 41 questions and you don't answer 16 of them.

Doesn't matter how brilliant the answers were on the other 25.

You would be lucky to get a C.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:22 am    Post subject:

Lamar's Bud wrote:
ocho wrote:
A
LeBron, Davis, Bryant

B
Schroeder, Gabriel, Reaves

C
Westbrook, Brown Jr, Walker, Christie

D
Beverley, JTA

F
Nunn, Jones


You're being a bit kind, there. He's missed 40% of the games thus far.

While he's definitely played "A" basketball when on the floor, the time missed to injury has to count for something. Being in street clothes doesn't help the team at all.


Tried to judge them on their performance. If we are punishing them for being injured then you also have to downgrade almost every player on the team.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:35 am    Post subject:

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to Dennis Schröder. Like Pat Bev, he has some defensive attributes, but his shooting ability is subpar and his missed shots act as turnovers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:35 am    Post subject:

I did that with AD. In the games he played, he was a clear "A" for me. MVP level play. But then I gave him a C for being out. So a "B" overall from me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:16 pm    Post subject:

team is a c-. Just below average. A c would be a 500 team. Breaking it down to salary is tough. AD would get a D, last year an F so he has improved.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:29 pm    Post subject:

A's and B's are for teams that are at the top of the standings. Salaries and availability matters to me so here we go.

Davis - C (good MVP like stretch, injured again)

Legramps - C (slow start, load managing, good stretch lately, 3 percentage is terribad)

Westbrook - D (mostly for taking the bench role, his play is more or less the same and that salary is ridic!)

Reaves - B (consistent, excellent efficiency)

Walker - C- (defensive liability, sometimes good scorer)

Beverly - D (good effort, horrendous start, past prime)

Bryant - C (been good when he gets a shot, defense could improve)

ran out of motivation... enough for now
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:12 pm    Post subject:

A

Reeves. Efficient shooting; pesky defense.

B+

Lebron. After a slow start, he's playing at an MVP level. Points subtracted for slow start and poor 3-point shooting

B

Davis. Great, MVP start. We'll see when he can return, and how he'll be.

Bryant. His shooting has been off the charts; that's really all you can expect from him.

C+

Westbrook. Kudos for adapting to being a bench player.

Dennis. Same as always. Doubt 3-point shooting % will stick but gives him a little bump right now.

C

Walker. He's performing as expected.

Christie. Nice shooting touch.

Weyen Gabriel. Meeting expectations.

JTC. Meeting expectations


D

Brown. Injuries

Beverley: Decline continues

F

Nunn. Will he ever be a meaningful player again?

Jones. Contributed nothing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:21 am    Post subject:

With the numbers Westbrook is putting up he should be in the lead for 6-MOY.
He’s not perfect but 15 6, 9 off the bench? If AD was still healthy I think we would be top 5 in the west right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:52 am    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
With the numbers Westbrook is putting up he should be in the lead for 6-MOY.
He’s not perfect but 15 6, 9 off the bench? If AD was still healthy I think we would be top 5 in the west right now.

we will never know since AD is always hurt.
if this Thread is judging by performance only, i think Russ is B+, but if you factoring salary, he is probably B-/C+.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:57 pm    Post subject:

I agree, all grades should include their actually contribution to the mess-at-hand and Davis NOT PLAYING, is NOT an "A"...

Although, I'd skip all the Player Grades and give Rob an "F" and Ham a "C"....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Lot of As for me. Lebron, AD, Russ, Bryant Reaves etc.

More good grades than bad..individually I don't have a problem with anyone.

AD exceeded expectations when he played (can't dock marks for injury personally)

LBJ exceeded

Russ exceeded

Bryant... Gabriel..

They are all better than I hoped.

Issue is as a team and a piece together I have to give a C. This team sucks as a whole IMO and I don't know the solution.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:56 pm    Post subject:

Poster disqualified due to not watching enough (OK not nearly enough) games this season. That poster being me of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:46 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Below average so I will be generous and give the team a C.
. Indeed, so difficult to watch as a team.
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