Why was Pelinka extended?

yinoma2001 · Retired Number Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 119487

On the one hand, a golf clap for Rob/Jeanie having AC Green levels of abstinence to not panic trade and get fleeced.

On the other hand, a pox on the house for literally doing nothing and watching this go down in flames.
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A few things stand out to me, that make me very upset with them.

1. They promised Lebron they'd do everything in their power to put a contending team around him during his time here... Got him to extend his contract. And then basically, did nothing? One sideways trade of THT/Johnson for Beverley. That was it.

2. When Jeanie was asked about improving the roster this summer, around that same time, she said they were not done. Basically, promising the fans roster improvements. Where are they?

3. After failing to make any moves heading into the season, it got pushed back to 15-20 games into the season. Then to December 15th. Now we're hearing they aren't pursuing a Westbrook trade, and may not make any trades at all.

Fans aren't idiots, well I'm sure some are. But many fans realized this summer that Jeanie's primary goal was to stay out of the repeater tax. But at the same time, if they don't make any trade they only have $30m in cap space. And only Lebron, AD, Christie, and Jones under contract. It's quite likely that Reaves gets Carusoed, and Walker gets Monked. Then they head into next season with like Lebron, AD, Christie, Jones, and some second tier star, once again surrounded by minimums but with older stars. There's very little benefit in punting this season. And there isn't a snowball's chance in hell her father makes that same decision. Right or wrong, he would have made a move long ago.

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Because in Lakerland, Pelinka is just a poor victim being taken advantage of by Lebron and big bad Klutch. Jeanie could fill the front office with all of her friends and face little public criticism because of the Klutch shield.

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RashardA · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:43 pm Post subject:

The owner doesn't have a clue.
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Yall are worried about LeBron in year 20 not having the ideal roster when he played a hand in every decision for the last 4 years.. at least major ones. He should assume some accountability.

That said, I don't think he knew Rob would be this bad at his job.

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AD and Lebron are getting the Pau and Kobe (2013-2014) treatment. Once Kobe got his injury, you could see a huge pause in what they were going to do. They didn't move Pau and he was basically in a position to not succeed. Pau went on and became an all-star again in Chicago. We kept a lameduck coach (at tha time) in D'Antoni, who really had no idea what to do with Pau/Kobe (or that Pau/Kobe wanted to play for after that first year). They went and got Byron (Kobe's coach) to see out Kobe's career and Kobe respected Byron. It was an end of an era in the works. They basically had already given up on Kobe/Pau by 2013 due to Kobe's achilles, and Pau's decline.

The main difference I see is that Pau and Kobe never returned to close to form they had from 2008-2011 as Lakers. AD and Lebron, they have had a very strong season so far, AD has been a top 10 player and Lebron has emerged again as at least a top 20 player who has the best bball IQ in league history outside of Magic (unlike Kobe, Lebron is effective as a full time PG in a secondary scoring role where he facilitates late in his career). We don't have draft picks to cash in on at the end of the year like we had with old Pau/Kobe (Randle 2014). We will lose our pick and lost last year's pick in the lottery. So by doing nothing since the Westbrook trade disaster to correct the move, we've lost the pick last year at a premium price and will lose possibly an even higher pick this year. These are premium prices to pay. The cost of doing nothing isn't just keeping your 2027/29 picks, it's also giving up picks that could be in the 18-21 range for top 10 lottery picks.

Basically, Pelinka is neither making a move to help AD/Lebron get into the playoffs now, nor is he trading them to get future assets in place. The cost of not making moves, is sure you keep your future picks, but you also lose your current ones at a costly price (lottery picks). One can argue that by doing nothing, he's doing less harm that he theoretically could do. However that's based on a principle that he already sucks at his job and any move he would make would be horrible.

I was not for the Hield/Turner for WB/2 picks trade, I do think it would have put us at least in a 6th-7th seed. Probably higher, until AD goes down. If AD's out for a long time, having that kind of talent around Lebron keeps you competitive. Worst case, you're not losing a lottery pick in the top 7-8 in a strong draft. Again, I wasn't for the trade based on what was rumored we were giving up, but Turner is 26 and Hield is 29. These are players you could have signed to 3-4 year deals and with Reaves, built a decent 5 man core that would have been a playoff staple. Not a ring team, but at least a team that can consistently stay in that .600 range and be a factor in the playoffs.

I don't miss Jimchak. but at least they married themselves to a re-build through the draft and sucked at free agency. The Pelinka/Jeanie era, is married to FA and wasting away draft picks. Only they haven't really won in FA. Outside of 2018 Lebron, there's been a lot of misses, and the far bigger reason than Lebron they won a title was using many of the trade/draft assets of the old regime to trade for AD (plus future assets). Don't kid yourselves, their position on WB may look as if they are valuing draft picks, but they really aren't, as the premium is being paid by the draft pick they give up in keeping WB. By keeping AD, Bron and WB, we're not re-building, so any talk that we're committed to draft picks is baloney IMO.

Ideally we'd get a balance of what Jimcak were doing with some stronger FA capability. That's what LA Laker fans deserve from an elite franchise in an elite market. We should look to hire an executive who can make the FA agent connections like Pelinka has, with some good GM transanctions work like Mitch showed. There's no doubt Jeanie should move on from Pelinka this coming summer but she won't as she's put forth a 4 year deal for Ham/Pelinka and by firing Pelinka now, it makes her look very incompetent for the 4 year deal.