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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Looking at the list I'm surprised our whole 2020 squad didn't make it.

Dudley, THT, Kieffer, Vale??

Lol top 75 for the NBA is fine, but even for a historic franchise like the Lakers going all the way to 75 is a little funny when you look at the names up there
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:45 pm    Post subject:

KingKobe20 wrote:
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Bron as a laker
Title under unusual circumstances but nonetheless. I could argue AD>Bron but wont


Just really bad HL really bad and you always seem to keep outdoing yourself

Before the lockdown the 2020 Lakers where on pace to winning 65 games.
Beat the brakes off the clippers and bucks on the same weekend.

In the bubble every other team had the same 5 month recharge/hiatus

In the bubble the rims where still 10 feet tall and the courts where still 94 feet long.

AD was phenomenal but Lebron was better.

Lebron winning number 17 for the Lakers tying the all time high chip count with the celtics is hugggggggeeeeee.

Tbh I’m starting to really doubt if you and all the others who belittle that 2020 title as if it’s played at LA Fitness if you all are truly Lakers fans?




AD led the Lakers in 2020 in FG%, FT%, points, rebounds and blocked shots. lebron only led in assists. AD was clearly better. Man y'all need to stop it! This ain't Undisputed or First Take.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:59 pm    Post subject:

kwase wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
Halflife wrote:

Bron as a laker
Title under unusual circumstances but nonetheless. I could argue AD>Bron but wont


Just really bad HL really bad and you always seem to keep outdoing yourself

Before the lockdown the 2020 Lakers where on pace to winning 65 games.
Beat the brakes off the clippers and bucks on the same weekend.

In the bubble every other team had the same 5 month recharge/hiatus

In the bubble the rims where still 10 feet tall and the courts where still 94 feet long.

AD was phenomenal but Lebron was better.

Lebron winning number 17 for the Lakers tying the all time high chip count with the celtics is hugggggggeeeeee.

Tbh I’m starting to really doubt if you and all the others who belittle that 2020 title as if it’s played at LA Fitness if you all are truly Lakers fans?




AD led the Lakers in 2020 in FG%, FT%, points, rebounds and blocked shots. lebron only led in assists. AD was clearly better. Man y'all need to stop it! This ain't Undisputed or First Take.


Fair enough.
Let’s agree to disagree.

At this point it’s basically like asking me out of all of my kids who’s my favorite


Lebron James and Anthony Davis 2020 Western Conference Playoff Highlights


Lebron James and Anthony Davis 2020 NBA Finals highlights
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:39 pm    Post subject:

kwase wrote:
AD led the Lakers in 2020 in FG%, FT%, points, rebounds and blocked shots. lebron only led in assists. AD was clearly better. Man y'all need to stop it! This ain't Undisputed or First Take.


You could certainly make that argument up until the Finals. Lebron was the better player in the Finals. AD was hurting a bit. In the big moments in the finals though, it was clearly Lebron taking over.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:01 pm    Post subject:

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14. Byron Scott


17. Slater Martin

18. Anthony Davis MR. Easy Money 37 points 18 Rebounds on KD last night

20. Derek Fisher

25. Lamar L-Boogie Odom
32. Eddie Jones
34. Andrew Bynum

37. Nick Van Exel

40. Elden Can’t Count On Campbell

42. Kyle Blondie Kuzma

46. Dwight Taiwan Howard
47. KCP

50. B Shaw
51. Julius Randle

54. Brandon Ingram

56. Sedale Threatt ( Sedale is soo much better than 56 should be in the top 40 imo)

58. Jordan Clarkson

61. Alex Caruso

71. Lou Williams

74. Trevor Ariza


Bumping my post because Sedale Threatt deserves more respect.


Especially when he’s going to his left on a pull-up jumper
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:27 pm    Post subject:

Where Jeremy ‘highest first 7 games ppg in NBA history’ Lin at?

Mangke Bateer
Sun Yue
Yi Jian Lian

5 Asians with Jordan Clarkson… Has the Lakers signed Asian players more than any team?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:33 pm    Post subject:

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Ahh shucks. Jordan Farmar was just two points shy of tying for 75th.


Right.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:02 pm    Post subject:

KingKobe20 wrote:
58. Jordan Clarkson

71. Lou Williams



I can't believe they didn't pick Rajon Rondo, but these two guys make the list.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:04 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
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Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol

agree.

Hell Rambis is a greater Laker than Bron

Derek Fisher and Andrew Bynum are greater Lakers.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:49 am    Post subject:

coldzim wrote:
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58. Jordan Clarkson

71. Lou Williams



I can't believe they didn't pick Rajon Rondo, but these two guys make the list.


Rajon didn't pull models and pole swingers like those two, lemon pepper
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:07 am    Post subject:



Kyle Kuzma ahead of bigger contributors on REAL chip winning teams and included at the request of Miss Buss no doubt.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:08 am    Post subject:

Can someone post the whole list here?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:47 am    Post subject:

KingKobe20 wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
14. Byron Scott


17. Slater Martin

18. Anthony Davis MR. Easy Money 37 points 18 Rebounds on KD last night

20. Derek Fisher

25. Lamar L-Boogie Odom
32. Eddie Jones
34. Andrew Bynum

37. Nick Van Exel

40. Elden Can’t Count On Campbell

42. Kyle Blondie Kuzma

46. Dwight Taiwan Howard
47. KCP

50. B Shaw
51. Julius Randle

54. Brandon Ingram

56. Sedale Threatt ( Sedale is soo much better than 56 should be in the top 40 imo)

58. Jordan Clarkson

61. Alex Caruso

71. Lou Williams

74. Trevor Ariza


Bumping my post because Sedale Threatt deserves more respect.


Especially when he’s going to his left on a pull-up jumper




The Lakers have an amazing list of top 10 players or so.

After that, they have a strong list of fan favorites for 15 spots or so.

By the 35th or 40th slot, it's pretty hard for me to care.

I mean, Sedale Threatt had a few solid seasons for us in the bleak years after Showtime ended, but in the grand scheme of things he was nothing more than a solid journeyman.
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DShotMaker1824 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol

agree.

Hell Rambis is a greater Laker than Bron

Derek Fisher and Andrew Bynum are greater Lakers.

fish for sure
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:07 pm    Post subject:

GOODRICH25 wrote:
Can someone post the whole list here?


LA Times 75 Greatest Lakers

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-11-14/75-greatest-lakers-players-kobe-bryant-magic-johnson-kareem

1. Magic Johnson
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Jerry West
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James (tied)
8. George Mikan (tied w/James)
9. James Worthy
10. Wilt Chamberlain
11. Gail Goodrich
12. Pau Gasol
13. Vern Mikkelsen
14. Byron Scott (tied)
15. Jamaal Wilkes (tied w/Scott)
16. Michael Cooper
17. Slater Martin
18. Anthony Davis
19. Norm Nixon
20. Derek Fisher (tied)
21. AC Green (tied w/ Fisher)
22. Clyde Lovellette (tied)
23. Jim Pollard (tied w/ Lovellette)
24. Happy Hairston
25. Lamar Odom
26. Bob McAdoo (tied)
27. Robert Horry (tied w/McAdoo)
28. Rudy LaRusso
29. Vladi Divac
30. Kurt Rambis
31. Jim McMillan
32. Eddie Jones
33. Rick Fox
34. Andrew Bynum
35. Mychal Thompson
36. Metta Sandiford-Artest
37. Nick Van Exel
38. Sam Perkins
39. Cedric Ceballos
40. Elden Campbell
41. Dick Barnett
42. Kyle Kuzma
43. Adrian Dantley
44. Glen Rice
45. Luke Walton
46. Dwight Howard
47. Kentavious Caldwell Pope
48. Jim Chones
49. Frank Selvy
50. Brian Shaw
51. Julius Randle
52. Hot Rod Hundley
53. Tim Hawkins
54. Brandon Ingram
55. Pat Riley
56. Sedale Threatt
57. Dick Garmarker
58. Jordan Clarkson
59. Keith Erikson
60. Lucius Allen
61. Alex Caruso (tied)
62. Elmore Smith (tied with CaruGOAT)
63. Archie Clark
64. Leroy Ellis (tied)
65. Larry Foust (tied w/Ellis)
66. Cazzie Russell (tied)
67. Whitey Skoog (tied w/Russell)
68. Devean George
69. Connie Hawkins
70. Mike McGee
71. Lou Williams
72. Horace Grant
73. Mitch Kupchak
74. Trevor Ariza
75. Darrall Imhoff
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:08 pm    Post subject:

LeBron or Wilt, hmm
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TDRock wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Can someone post the whole list here?


LA Times 75 Greatest Lakers

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-11-14/75-greatest-lakers-players-kobe-bryant-magic-johnson-kareem

1. Magic Johnson
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Jerry West
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James (tied)
8. George Mikan (tied w/James)
9. James Worthy
10. Wilt Chamberlain
11. Gail Goodrich
12. Pau Gasol
13. Vern Mikkelsen
14. Byron Scott (tied)
15. Jamaal Wilkes (tied w/Scott)
16. Michael Cooper
17. Slater Martin
18. Anthony Davis
19. Norm Nixon
20. Derek Fisher (tied)
21. AC Green (tied w/ Fisher)
22. Clyde Lovellette (tied)
23. Jim Pollard (tied w/ Lovellette)
24. Happy Hairston
25. Lamar Odom
26. Bob McAdoo (tied)
27. Robert Horry (tied w/McAdoo)
28. Rudy LaRusso
29. Vladi Divac
30. Kurt Rambis
31. Jim McMillan
32. Eddie Jones
33. Rick Fox
34. Andrew Bynum
35. Mychal Thompson
36. Metta Sandiford-Artest
37. Nick Van Exel
38. Sam Perkins
39. Cedric Ceballos
40. Elden Campbell
41. Dick Barnett
42. Kyle Kuzma
43. Adrian Dantley
44. Glen Rice
45. Luke Walton
46. Dwight Howard
47. Kentavious Caldwell Pope
48. Jim Chones
49. Frank Selvy
50. Brian Shaw
51. Julius Randle
52. Hot Rod Hundley
53. Tim Hawkins
54. Brandon Ingram
55. Pat Riley
56. Sedale Threatt
57. Dick Garmarker
58. Jordan Clarkson
59. Keith Erikson
60. Lucius Allen
61. Alex Caruso (tied)
62. Elmore Smith (tied with CaruGOAT)
63. Archie Clark
64. Leroy Ellis (tied)
65. Larry Foust (tied w/Ellis)
66. Cazzie Russell (tied)
67. Whitey Skoog (tied w/Russell)
68. Devean George
69. Connie Hawkins
70. Mike McGee
71. Lou Williams
72. Horace Grant
73. Mitch Kupchak
74. Trevor Ariza
75. Darrall Imhoff


Decent list. I would switch some of the names around in the top 30 to slightly different spots and would rank some of the Minneapolis guys higher, but overall nothing in the first half really strikes me as a terrible choice.

The second half is kind of whatever. You could put every one of the second half names in a bag, draw them randomly, and it would seem about the same to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:24 pm    Post subject:

Mikan, Worthy, Wilt above James. Whoever put Jim Pollard so low should have his Lakers fan license revoked. Shameful
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:26 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
LeBron or Wilt, hmm



Wilt was as divisive in his day as Lebron is now (well, at least as divisive as you could in an era of no social media and limited basketball news).

The super team of Wilt-Elgin-West was criticized for not doing better. Wilt fled the Lakers for the ABA, and the Lakers sued him, causing him to retire.

Most fans around today have forgotten all that, or never knew it. To them, Wilt is just a bunch of stats and myths.

If LG was around then, people would be tearing into Wilt non-stop for being selfish, lazy, and uncommitted to the team.
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governator wrote:
LeBron or Wilt, hmm



Wilt was as divisive in his day as Lebron is now (well, at least as divisive as you could in an era of no social media and limited basketball news).

The super team of Wilt-Elgin-West was criticized for not doing better. Wilt fled the Lakers for the ABA, and the Lakers sued him, causing him to retire.

Most fans around today have forgotten all that, or never knew it. To them, Wilt is just a bunch of stats and myths.

If LG was around then, people would be tearing into Wilt non-stop for being selfish, lazy, and uncommitted to the team.


I've been a fan since the 72 season and either forgot about that, or did not know. I'm leaning towards the did not know part because I was a teen age unsophisticated fan in 73.

But, damn Wilt, that was the season right after we won the whole thing.
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activeverb wrote:
governator wrote:
LeBron or Wilt, hmm



Wilt was as divisive in his day as Lebron is now (well, at least as divisive as you could in an era of no social media and limited basketball news).

The super team of Wilt-Elgin-West was criticized for not doing better. Wilt fled the Lakers for the ABA, and the Lakers sued him, causing him to retire.

Most fans around today have forgotten all that, or never knew it. To them, Wilt is just a bunch of stats and myths.

If LG was around then, people would be tearing into Wilt non-stop for being selfish, lazy, and uncommitted to the team.


I've been a fan since the 72 season and either forgot about that, or did not know. I'm leaning towards the did not know part because I was a teen age unsophisticated fan in 73.

But, damn Wilt, that was the season right after we won the whole thing. Thanks for the reminder.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:57 am    Post subject:

horry and ron harper are better lakers
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
Mikan, Worthy, Wilt above James. Whoever put Jim Pollard so low should have his Lakers fan license revoked. Shameful


It looks like the voters didn't quite know what to do with the older guys from the Minneapolis days. But most people have that problem. That said, I think they did a better job with the Minneapolis guys then I commonly see all these types of lists.

Otherwise, it looks like the voters clearly gave a lot of emphasis into Lebron being the top guy on a championship team. I don't find that unreasonable myself, even if I wouldn't have put Lebron quite as high as they did.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:14 pm    Post subject:

I love magic and grew up on the showtime Lakers, but just don't understand why Kobe is not the greatest Laker.

I would say Magic's impact is more on the times he played for the Lakers compared to Kobe, but Magic's career was cut short. Kobe played 20 yrs in P&G well beloved in the whole world not just the city of LA and his peers. Both got us the same amount of title. Stat wise Kobe's career is way superior. Even now almost 3 yrs after his death, my heart aches for him not being around anymore. Placing Magic as 1 just does not feel right to me, a tie for #1 I can accept, because Magic was the Lakers back in his playing days.

Kobe is Laker's Career Leader is Games, Minutes, FG, FT & Stl, Points, 2nd in Ast & Def Reb. 3rd on Reb, 5th in Blk and I don't even know how many of the playoff stat he is first on. Miss you Kobe.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:21 pm    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
I love magic and grew up on the showtime Lakers, but just don't understand why Kobe is not the greatest Laker.

I would say Magic's impact is more on the times he played for the Lakers compared to Kobe, but Magic's career was cut short. Kobe played 20 yrs in P&G well beloved in the whole world not just the city of LA and his peers. Both got us the same amount of title. Stat wise Kobe's career is way superior. Even now almost 3 yrs after his death, my heart aches for him not being around anymore. Placing Magic as 1 just does not feel right to me, a tie for #1 I can accept, because Magic was the Lakers back in his playing days.

Kobe is Laker's Career Leader is Games, Minutes, FG, FT & Stl, Points, 2nd in Ast & Def Reb. 3rd on Reb, 5th in Blk and I don't even know how many of the playoff stat he is first on. Miss you Kobe.

I agree, but next gen will change it.
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