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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:00 am    Post subject: LA TIMES: 75 GREATEST LAKERS

In honor of the 75th anniversary of the Lakers franchise the LA Times offers us this.... (May be behind a paywall)

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-11-14/75-greatest-lakers-players-kobe-bryant-magic-johnson-kareem

And if you would like to argue with them directly about the list they have provided a survey...

https://form.jotform.com/222996714550059

Some of the selections… And definitely at the end when you see some of the players who didn't make the list but they got votes - LOLz!


1. Magic Johnson
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Jerry West
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James (tied)
8. George Mikan (tied w/James)
9. James Worthy
10. Wilt Chamberlain
11. Gail Goodrich
12. Pau Gasol
13. Vern Mikkelsen
14. Byron Scott (tied)
15. Jamaal Wilkes (tied w/Scott)
16. Michael Cooper
17. Slater Martin
18. Anthony Davis
19. Norm Nixon
20. Derek Fisher (tied)
21. AC Green (tied w/ Fisher)
22. Clyde Lovellette (tied)
23. Jim Pollard (tied w/ Lovellette)
24. Happy Hairston
25. Lamar Odom
26. Bob McAdoo (tied)
27. Robert Horry (tied w/McAdoo)
28. Rudy LaRusso
29. Vladi Divac
30. Kurt Rambis
31. Jim McMillan
32. Eddie Jones
33. Rick Fox
34. Andrew Bynum
35. Mychal Thompson
36. Metta Sandiford-Artest
37. Nick Van Exel
38. Sam Perkins
39. Cedric Ceballos
40. Elden Campbell
41. Dick Barnett
42. Kyle Kuzma
43. Adrian Dantley
44. Glen Rice
45. Luke Walton
46. Dwight Howard
47. Kentavious Caldwell Pope
48. Jim Chones
49. Frank Selvy
50. Brian Shaw
51. Julius Randle
52. Hot Rod Hundley
53. Tim Hawkins
54. Brandon Ingram
55. Pat Riley
56. Sedale Threatt
57. Dick Garmarker
58. Jordan Clarkson
59. Keith Erikson
60. Lucius Allen
61. Alex Caruso (tied)
62. Elmore Smith (tied with CaruGOAT)
63. Archie Clark
64. Leroy Ellis (tied)
65. Larry Foust (tied w/Ellis)
66. Cazzie Russell (tied)
67. Whitey Skoog (tied w/Russell)
68. Devean George
69. Connie Hawkins
70. Mike McGee
71. Lou Williams
72. Horace Grant
73. Mitch Kupchak
74. Trevor Ariza
75. Darrall Imhoff


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:11 am    Post subject:

I know it's the 75th anniversary and such, but they really should have cut this list off earlier. By the time we got to Kyle Kuzma, it was a stretch. When the list came to Devean George, it was silly. But then comes Connie Hawkins, and you know that the shark has been jumped.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:28 am    Post subject:

Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:50 am    Post subject:

LeBron way too high. Can't believe this was voted on by LA Times columnists.

Kobe should be #1 and even Magic (West, Shaq, Jeannie) all agree.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:08 pm    Post subject:

Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol


He led a team to a Laker title.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:19 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for posting this!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Ahh shucks. Jordan Farmar was just two points shy of tying for 75th.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:53 pm    Post subject:

What is the methodology of this ranking? I don't really know how you quantify some of this stuff. For instance, by what criteria is Luke Walton ahead of Dwight Howard? 2012-2013 Dwight obviously had greater impact than Luke ever did, and so did even the 2019-2020 version of Dwight. Similarly, Odom had greater impact on the three straight finals teams (2008-2010) than Fisher did.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:58 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
What is the methodology of this ranking? I don't really know how you quantify some of this stuff. For instance, by what criteria is Luke Walton ahead of Dwight Howard? 2012-2013 Dwight obviously had greater impact than Luke ever did, and so did even the 2019-2020 version of Dwight. Similarly, Odom had greater impact on the three straight finals teams (2008-2010) than Fisher did.

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Those casting ballots were former columnists J.A. Adande and Mark Heisler, former staff writer Steve Springer, current staff writers Broderick Turner and Dan Woike, and assistant sports editor Dan Loumena.

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Points awarded for each vote were 75 points for No. 1 descending to one point for No. 75. There were 47 unanimous selections, each among the top 49.

So, it's based on the opinions of those six...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:05 pm    Post subject:

I take it as just an entertainment piece... newspaper fodder.

there's no way to truly quantify this... especially since most of us have no clue on the Mikan years... let alone the Baylor/West years.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol


He led a team to a Laker title.


He's ahead of Mikan who has 5 and Gasol has 2. Stupid garbage list. I hate sports media now, it's trash.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:57 pm    Post subject:

Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol

agree.

Hell Rambis is a greater Laker than Bron
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:11 pm    Post subject:

Why is Luke Walton so high
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:12 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol

agree.

Hell Rambis is a greater Laker than Bron


Great takes here guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:15 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol

agree.

Hell Rambis is a greater Laker than Bron


Great takes here guys.

They are educated takes.
Pau was incredible.

Bron as a laker
lottery
Title under unusual circumstances but nonetheless. I could argue AD>Bron but wont
1st round w/AD
lottery W/AD
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:23 pm    Post subject:

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They are educated takes.


If you think Kurt Rambis is a more important Laker than LeBron James, a GOAT candidate who put a banner up and will have his jersey retired, then you may be overstating your education.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:31 pm    Post subject:

Black Sheep wrote:
Why is Luke Walton so high



Luke was GREAT.... at getting injured, or so he said, when trades
were possible
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Robblake wrote:
Lebron isn’t a greater laker than Gasol



LeBron is here for his farewell tour and to enjoy L.A.. Yeah, he won
a championship, one and done.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:56 pm    Post subject:

Went to a Von’s Supermarket and bought out the shelf.
Which was only 3 LA times copies left.

When the Ffff did newspapers start costing $3.66??!?

I remember the days with the Kobe and Shaq three peat championships I used to buy an LA times for like $0.50 a pop

I’m getting old or maybe this inflation thing is just ridiculous. Or maybe both.
Time for my Metamucil Kale smoothie
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
Kobe should be #1 and even Magic (West, Shaq, Jeannie) all agree.


I love Kobe and there is nothing wrong with labeling him the greatest basketball player of all time and sure Laker as well.

But back to Greatest Laker , it’s more than how many championships you’ve won, how many scoring titles, all star appearances ext.

Magic was the leader at the beginning of the Dynasty Lakers in Los Angeles. (George Mikan leader of the Minny Dynasty Lakers) He changed the culture and automatically rearranged the Lakers image and tbh the entire basketball world as well the second he stepped onto an NBA floor. Winning his first championship his rookie year.

I love Kobe and will never argue with someone who calls him the GOAT but Kobe himself would probably even label Magic the greatest Laker of all time
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:07 pm    Post subject:

Lebron should be MUCH further down that list.
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KingKobe20 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
Kobe should be #1 and even Magic (West, Shaq, Jeannie) all agree.


I love Kobe and there is nothing wrong with labeling him the greatest basketball player of all time and sure Laker as well.

But back to Greatest Laker , it’s more than how many championships you’ve won, how many scoring titles, all star appearances ext.

Magic was the leader at the beginning of the Dynasty Lakers in Los Angeles. (George Mikan leader of the Minny Dynasty Lakers) He changed the culture and automatically rearranged the Lakers image and tbh the entire basketball world as well the second he stepped onto an NBA floor. Winning his first championship his rookie year.

I love Kobe and will never argue with someone who calls him the GOAT but Kobe himself would probably even label Magic the greatest Laker of all time


True. Personally Magic is 2nd to MJ all time to me, and greatest Laker by that logic. But Kobe is damn close and up there as well.

About the list, i only saw the top, but James has no place there. Put him behind atleast Mikan and Worthy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:15 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:

Bron as a laker
Title under unusual circumstances but nonetheless. I could argue AD>Bron but wont


Just really bad HL really bad and you always seem to keep outdoing yourself

Before the lockdown the 2020 Lakers where on pace to winning 65 games.
Beat the brakes off the clippers and bucks on the same weekend.

In the bubble every other team had the same 5 month recharge/hiatus

In the bubble the rims where still 10 feet tall and the courts where still 94 feet long.

AD was phenomenal but Lebron was better.

Lebron winning number 17 for the Lakers tying the all time high chip count with the celtics is hugggggggeeeeee.

Tbh I’m starting to really doubt if you and all the others who belittle that 2020 title as if it’s played at LA Fitness if you all are truly Lakers fans?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:20 pm    Post subject:

GOODRICH25 wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
Kobe should be #1 and even Magic (West, Shaq, Jeannie) all agree.


I love Kobe and there is nothing wrong with labeling him the greatest basketball player of all time and sure Laker as well.

But back to Greatest Laker , it’s more than how many championships you’ve won, how many scoring titles, all star appearances ext.

Magic was the leader at the beginning of the Dynasty Lakers in Los Angeles. (George Mikan leader of the Minny Dynasty Lakers) He changed the culture and automatically rearranged the Lakers image and tbh the entire basketball world as well the second he stepped onto an NBA floor. Winning his first championship his rookie year.

I love Kobe and will never argue with someone who calls him the GOAT but Kobe himself would probably even label Magic the greatest Laker of all time


True. Personally Magic is 2nd to MJ all time to me, and greatest Laker by that logic. But Kobe is damn close and up there as well.

About the list, i only saw the top, but James has no place there. Put him behind atleast Mikan and Worthy


MJ only gets the GOAT title too most people imo because he changed the culture of the game as well. Because if we going off one on one assassin GOAT BEAN>>>>> MJ to me bro!

Kobe got better handles, three point shooting, and better playmaker than MJ

Athleticism MJ a bit above Kobe.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:35 pm    Post subject:

14. Byron Scott


17. Slater Martin

18. Anthony Davis MR. Easy Money 37 points 18 Rebounds on KD last night

20. Derek Fisher

25. Lamar L-Boogie Odom
32. Eddie Jones
34. Andrew Bynum

37. Nick Van Exel

40. Elden Can’t Count On Campbell

42. Kyle Blondie Kuzma

46. Dwight Taiwan Howard
47. KCP

50. B Shaw
51. Julius Randle

54. Brandon Ingram

56. Sedale Threatt ( Sedale is soo much better than 56 should be in the top 40 imo)

58. Jordan Clarkson

61. Alex Caruso

71. Lou Williams

74. Trevor Ariza
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