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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:41 pm    Post subject: TWOLVES -at- LAKERS - 10-12-22 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Shooting Issues... Heading into the season, we aren’t anticipating these Lakers to be a good three shooting team. That was the case tonight as the team struggled in the first half with their three ball.

Lonnie Walker’s athleticism and aggressiveness stood out early as he scored 9 points on 4-5 shooting in the first quarter. The Lakers went small at times with Reaves/Westbrook occasionally as the PF during some of Ham’s rotations. They were tied 30-30 after the first quarter.

The Lakers lack of three shooting killed them in the first half. After LeBron made a three to start the game, the team would miss its next 16 straight threes. Meanwhile, turnovers led to easy runouts for Minnesota, and the Lakers fell back 62-54 at the half. (No KAT or Gobert in this game.)

The Lakers lost Walker in the third quarter when Pat Bev rolled into his leg, mild ankle sprain. The Lakers trailed 87-80 before they went to the deep bench in the fourth.

They fought back to give the team a chance, cutting the lead to 3 with 29 seconds left after rattling off an 11-0 run at one point in the fourth. Unfortunately, rookie Scotty Pippen Jr. took a foul and gave up FTs instead of playing out the defensive stand. The Lakers fell 118-113.

“The vibe was off because we weren’t scoring,” Ham said. He then mentioned needing to stay locked in defensively and praised the bench for battling back.


LeBron -- -- Strong first half with 16 points (6-8 shooting) and 7 boards. He hit a three on a set play to start the game, then everything else was around the rim. With AD at the C and LeBron at PF, that gives him more room to work in the paint. It gets tricky, though, when no one can make a three. Good job by teammates setting him up. Beverely stole a pass and hit LeBron for a layup. Reaves had a great no-look bounce pass to LeBron cutting baseline for a reverse. He looks ready to go. The Stats: He scored 25 points on 9-12 shooting (2-4 from three, 5-6 from the line) to go with 11 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 25 minutes. He was a +10.

Davis -- -- He had 14 points on 5-7 shooting to go with 7 boards and a couple steals in the first half. He’s still trying to get in sync on D on some of the two-man sequences. Ham wants guys to stay with their own and AD has to make a decision on when to switch/challenge and when to stay home. He stuffed the stat sheet doing a bit of everything, but did miss both his threes. There was a play in the first half where he and Westbrook collided and went down. I think Laker fans are going to have PTSD for quite a while with AD. We need a strong consistent season of health. I don’t know if the idea is to start AD. Certainly if the TWolves had their bigs, we probably would have thought differently with our lineup tonight. If AD does start, the team really needs to rebound better. Guards need to crack back and help. We need to make a consistent effort there to help him out. “I think he’s still trying to figure out the rotations, as well, and right now it’s looking good when I’m at the five,” AD said. He mentioned it wasn’t too taxing and that he’d be facing a lot of perimeter bigs. The Stats: He scored 19 points on 7-11 shooting (0-2 from three, 5-8 from the line) to go with 13 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 2 turnover and 3 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a -9.

Westbrook -- -- Just 1 point in the first half. Both shots he took were from three (and neither was in the corner). The Lakers badly needed a third scorer in this game to step up. Nunn was off. Walker cooled off and then got injured. Russ really struggled to find his spots. He had just 3 FGAs. His one make was a pull-up on the baseline from midrange. Some good passing moments including a pushout with speed in transition to lob to AD. There was also a nice inside-out sequence he initiated by just going hard to the paint. We really need to get him going downhill with more consistency. Ham mentioned the team needing to learn how to play with speed after the game. That will help Russ more. We’re putting him in the corners some, but he also stepped on the sideline in front of the Laker bench twice for two of his turnovers. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 1-3 shooting (0-2 from three, 3-6 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists, 1 block, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 25 minutes. He was a -1.

Beverley -- -- Not a good first half missing all four of his attempts from three. He also had a wild drive he threw the ball away on and another drive where he missed a hook. He did manufacture some FTs drawing fouls when we were in the bonus. Late in the game, he tried to call his own number on iso and traveled. So while he had 3 steals defensively, he had 4 turnovers on the other end. That’s not what we want to see. He did have a good drive earlier in the game when he rejected the double drag we were setting up and scored at the rim. He also knocked down a corner three on a kickout. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 3-8 shooting (1-5 from three, 3-4 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals, 4 turnovers and 3 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a -1.

Walker IV -- -- He started the game off hot with an efficient 4-5 for 9 points in his first quarter stint. The athleticism to get to the rim and finish was on display as was some mid range shooting. Later, he’d hit a three relocating weak to strong. Early in the third quarter, Beverley rolled into his leg from the side and Lonnie went down grabbing his leg. He walked slowly to the locker room and was done for the night with the ankle sprain. “He said I’ll be fine,” Darvin said afterward, but cautioned we’ll have a better idea the day after. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 5-11 shooting (1-3 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 1 assist and 1 foul in 19 minutes. He was a +0.

Nunn -- -- Just an awful game. He missed all six attempts from three. When you haven’t hit any threes, you should really reconsider some of our shot selection, especially those early clock chucks. His couple of makes were around the rim. One was a floater, the other was a reverse layup on a baseline attack. He had a couple of drives where he was stripped. Need more from him than this, for sure. He was a -19 in 19 minutes. Yuuuck. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 2-11 shooting (0-6 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist and 2 turnovers in 19 minutes. He was a -19.

Reaves -- -- One of our better players tonight. He led the team with 5 assists, taking that lead guard role and trying to get the team on track. He was in on that late 11-0 run before sitting. We then went sideways after that. Just one make himself. LeBron started the first half with a three, the Lakers missed their next 16 straight before Reaves knocked one down from the corner at the end of the half. He drew some FTs to scratch out a few more points. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 1-3 shooting (1-2 from three, 4-4 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 5 assists, 2 turnovers and no fouls in 24 minutes. He was a -4.

Schröder -- -- Short minute tonight. He couldn’t get on track offensively, and was missing shots short. Some good moments of pressure D. Hopefully, he gets into sync in the next one. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-4 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 1 board, 1 turnovers and 1 foul in 9 minutes. He was a -1.

Jones -- -- He sat most of the night and came in for some late run where he was a +11 in 7 minutes. He definitely looked better on D than Gabriel out there and that made an instant difference. On a bad team shooting night, he hit a three against the shot clock. I think it gets trickier to play when the team as a whole is going through a dry spell from three. The paint just gets more packed and our PGs aren’t really playmaking well and setting up our bigs yet. So there’s no real vertical threat. They tried to find him once on a lob, but were off the mark. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-1 shooting from three to go with 2 boards and 1 block in 7 minutes. He was a +11.

Bryant -- -- He had a couple sequences with LeBron tonight that were good and bad. The first was a nice roll where he got the ball deep and scored easily. We’ve been really poor running screen-rolls and hitting our bigs. Later, Bron tried to find him with a bounce pass and Bryant wasn’t ready for it, so he go some words from Bron. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-1 shooting to go with 3 boards and 2 fouls in 12 minutes. He was a +1.

Swider -- -- He came off the bench late and got going briefly. He put up 8 shots quickly. He sank a couple of threes. He was fouled on a three on a set play. It looked like he drew a foul late in the game on another three, but it was challenged and overruled. That could have cut the lead to 1 with 17 seconds left. Defensively, he had some struggles. They went after him in the post for an easy score. He also got tagged for a couple of fouls. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 3-8 shooting (2-6 from three, 3-3 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist and 2 fouls in 12 minutes. He was a +3.

Pippen -- -- He came in with a few minutes left. He took a foul late in the game where we had enough time to get a stop and a chance to tie the game up. But the intentional foul took that option out of the mix. Kind of a garbage bit of run late in this game. He didn’t quite seem ready to hit the floor. His one make was after he threw a pass away, we then stole it back and found him cherry picking for a layup. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 1 board, 1 assist, 1 block, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 3 minutes. He was a +2.

Gabriel -- -- He came in the fourth for his first run. Ham called a timeout after Garza hit another three as Gabriel sagged too far off. We played small with Gabriel at the C and Swider at PF. That was an ugly stretch of D inside the paint, as well. Ham sat him for Jones for a bit after that before bringing him back late. Gabriel would hit a couple threes. His first make was a banked three, so probably shouldn’t count that. His second, though, was a big one late in the game (29 seconds) to get the Lakers in striking distance. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 2-2 shooting from three to with 1 steal, 1 turnover and 4 fouls in 8 minutes. He was a -8.

Christie -- -- He came in for some run in the final quarter, playing the whole fourth. His one make was on a crossover that got him into the paint for a floater, he got up high for. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-2 shooting (2-2 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 2 assists and 1 turnover in 12 minutes. He was a +3.

Ryan -- -- When the shooting went south in the first half, we brought him in. He caught the bricking bug from the rest of the team and missed all his attempts from three tonight. Defensively, he also fouled a shooter out of a timeout when we were trailing by 4 to give up a 4-point play. He made a tech for his only point. The Stats: He scored 1 points on 0-3 shooting from three (1-1 from the line) to go with 3 fouls in 10 minutes. He was a -7.

Ham -- -- Key Moment: That streak of 16 straight missed threes lost momentum for the Lakers during the second quarter.

Key Substitution: Kendrick Nunn looks like he’s being positioned to be our 6th man, bench scorer role. He was shooting blanks tonight and had the team low -19 in the process. Not what we want.

Key Stats: The Lakers finished 10-38 from three and were horrible in the first half. If you can’t hit from three, the paint gets tighter, more shots get contested, more turnovers occur.

Coach’s Challenge: The TWolves challenged a foul when Swider shot a three late in the game. They won the challenge and we had a jumpball instead of three FTs that could have cut the game to one possession again.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:26 pm    Post subject:

That was a bad shooting game.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:27 pm    Post subject:

Good stuff DB!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:45 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB

In the short time that Ryan was in the game, they were “tagging” him to prevent him from getting any clean “catch and shoot” opportunities

News travel fast

Seems like Westbrook spent more time in the dunker position and searching how to be effective. Hopefully his Basketball IQ will help him learn fast. On this roster where he is definitely not the first or second option on offense (maybe not even third or fourth), his defensive pressure can help him by getting breakaways or his rebounding will provide many “one man fast break” because he is so fast and athletic

How long will it take for Westbrook to figure out what he needs to do to transform this team into a legitimate contender instead of a bottom feeder team
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:59 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Thanks DB

In the short time that Ryan was in the game, they were “tagging” him to prevent him from getting any clean “catch and shoot” opportunities

News travel fast

Seems like Westbrook spent more time in the dunker position and searching how to be effective. Hopefully his Basketball IQ will help him learn fast. On this roster where he is definitely not the first or second option on offense (maybe not even third or fourth), his defensive pressure can help him by getting breakaways or his rebounding will provide many “one man fast break” because he is so fast and athletic

How long will it take for Westbrook to figure out what he needs to do to transform this team into a legitimate contender instead of a bottom feeder team


I'm not sure I'd associate Russ with a significantly high enough basketball IQ to learn what you suggest in a quick fashion, if at all...just my opinion.

We're not going anywhere significant with him on this squad - absent him willing to be the 6th man off the bench and being the primary guy that way. That will not happen, thus we will just simply see what we saw last year even when the team was healthy: Above average team, not a title.contender. Team motto with Russ on the squad should simply be:

"Abandon all hope ye who enter here."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:00 am    Post subject:

And yes...thanks DB for the summary
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 am    Post subject:

DrDent wrote:
And yes...thanks DB for the summary

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DrDent wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Thanks DB

In the short time that Ryan was in the game, they were “tagging” him to prevent him from getting any clean “catch and shoot” opportunities

News travel fast

Seems like Westbrook spent more time in the dunker position and searching how to be effective. Hopefully his Basketball IQ will help him learn fast. On this roster where he is definitely not the first or second option on offense (maybe not even third or fourth), his defensive pressure can help him by getting breakaways or his rebounding will provide many “one man fast break” because he is so fast and athletic

How long will it take for Westbrook to figure out what he needs to do to transform this team into a legitimate contender instead of a bottom feeder team
I'm not sure I'd associate Russ with a significantly high enough basketball IQ to learn what you suggest in a quick fashion, if at all...just my opinion.

We're not going anywhere significant with him on this squad - absent him willing to be the 6th man off the bench and being the primary guy that way. That will not happen, thus we will just simply see what we saw last year even when the team was healthy: Above average team, not a title.contender. Team motto with Russ on the squad should simply be:

"Abandon all hope ye who enter here."
One would hope that he will trust the Basketball IQ/Leadership of Lebron (plus AD) to supplement his existing Basketball IQ - ***IF*** he is willing. Consequence if he cannot make it work in LaLaLand is that he will no longer have any big paydays or have interest from any legitimate title-contending team because his style has not produced any rings (not even close) despite working with many of today's best in the NBA.

Maybe Lonnie Walker Jr., Kendrick Nunn and Matt Ryan are the people that needs to be on the floor with Russ because they are legitimate shooters.

Playing Russ at SF that places him at the dunker position is what Ham is experimenting with
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:47 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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Westbrook set up to drive from the right twice, but stepped out of bounds. ESPN didn't show a replay, but I assume that he planted his foot behind him to start the drive and stepped on the line. Westbrook needs to get his footwork right, because those two plays might have gotten him going.

Walker took advantage of the TWolves not having much rim protection without Gobert and KAT. At times, he looked better on defense than his reputation, but at times he looked lost.

Schroder looked like a guy who just got off the plane and is still getting into game form. Funny how that works.

Hands down, the worst performance of the night was Richard Jefferson on ESPN. I hope that those of you who live in southern California were able to watch a local broadcast. I understand that TV analysts are going to spout a lot of cliches and vacuous noise. Jefferson cranked it up to 11. I don't really care if an analyst says stuff I don't agree with. I can think for myself. But when the analyst spouts an endless stream of cliches and platitudes, it gets painful. I dread the possibility that he's going to be calling a lot of games this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:30 am    Post subject:

First, thanks for the write up.

Second, new season and same old problems.

Lakers shot less than average from 3 point land at 25.6%. Same problem as last year.

Lakers and Wolves tied in rebounds 52-52 but lost points in the paint 52 for the Wolves only 48 for the Lakers. And KAT along with Rudy Gobert did not play, gap would have been much wider if they did.

Lost the turnover battle. 12 turnovers for the Wolves 20 for the Lakers. Same as last year,

So to summarize, lost the three point battle, lost the turnover battle and lost paint battle in rebounds and points in the paint. Same as last year.

Yeesh!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:25 am    Post subject:

i can't believe after all that, we went back to the small lineup. i don't care how defensive minded Ham is, 3 guard lineups can't defend well.
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i can't believe after all that, we went back to the small lineup. i don't care how defensive minded Ham is, 3 guard lineups can't defend well.


Hopefully this was just a test

Unbelievable to fall for this (bleep) again
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i can't believe after all that, we went back to the small lineup. i don't care how defensive minded Ham is, 3 guard lineups can't defend well.


Hopefully this was just a test

Unbelievable to fall for this (bleep) again

since we have 4 PGs that needs minutes, i doubt it was a test. the only way to kind of hide it is to go with 2 bigs, but the spacing will be poor as none of our guards are Curry like shooters.
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Westbrook set up to drive from the right twice, but stepped out of bounds. ESPN didn't show a replay, but I assume that he planted his foot behind him to start the drive and stepped on the line. Westbrook needs to get his footwork right, because those two plays might have gotten him going.

Walker took advantage of the TWolves not having much rim protection without Gobert and KAT. At times, he looked better on defense than his reputation, but at times he looked lost.

Schroder looked like a guy who just got off the plane and is still getting into game form. Funny how that works.

Hands down, the worst performance of the night was Richard Jefferson on ESPN. I hope that those of you who live in southern California were able to watch a local broadcast. I understand that TV analysts are going to spout a lot of cliches and vacuous noise. Jefferson cranked it up to 11. I don't really care if an analyst says stuff I don't agree with. I can think for myself. But when the analyst spouts an endless stream of cliches and platitudes, it gets painful. I dread the possibility that he's going to be calling a lot of games this year.


We lost by 2 possessions=Russ on the line. Small things add up...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:30 am    Post subject:

All these struggles without KAT or Gobert on the other side
of the ball; LOL...



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Westbrook set up to drive from the right twice, but stepped out of bounds. ESPN didn't show a replay, but I assume that he planted his foot behind him to start the drive and stepped on the line. Westbrook needs to get his footwork right, because those two plays might have gotten him going.

Walker took advantage of the TWolves not having much rim protection without Gobert and KAT. At times, he looked better on defense than his reputation, but at times he looked lost.

Schroder looked like a guy who just got off the plane and is still getting into game form. Funny how that works.

Hands down, the worst performance of the night was Richard Jefferson on ESPN. I hope that those of you who live in southern California were able to watch a local broadcast. I understand that TV analysts are going to spout a lot of cliches and vacuous noise. Jefferson cranked it up to 11. I don't really care if an analyst says stuff I don't agree with. I can think for myself. But when the analyst spouts an endless stream of cliches and platitudes, it gets painful. I dread the possibility that he's going to be calling a lot of games this year.


We lost by 2 possessions=Russ on the line. Small things add up...


Oh, come on, man. It was a preseason game. We emptied the bench in the fourth quarter. As a team, we had 20 turnovers, and Westbrook had only three of them. We missed 16 straight threes.

Westbrook is not the root of all evil. I regularly bashed Westbrook back before he was a Laker and before it became fashionable. It pains me that he is a Laker. But come on, he is not the source of all of our problems.
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LeBron James preseason totals

52 points
17-30 FG (56.7%)
5-12 3PT (41.7%)
58 minutes

Anthony Davis preseason totals

58 points
20-38 FG (52.6%)
4-10 3PT (40.0%)
64 minutes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:31 am    Post subject:

70 games of this and we in the playoff

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LeBron James preseason totals

52 points
17-30 FG (56.7%)
5-12 3PT (41.7%)
58 minutes

Anthony Davis preseason totals

58 points
20-38 FG (52.6%)
4-10 3PT (40.0%)
64 minutes
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70 games of this and we in the playoff

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LeBron James preseason totals

52 points
17-30 FG (56.7%)
5-12 3PT (41.7%)
58 minutes

Anthony Davis preseason totals

58 points
20-38 FG (52.6%)
4-10 3PT (40.0%)
64 minutes

well, of course, probably top 4 seeds too. just not going to happen given the history
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:40 am    Post subject:

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The worry is that AD/Lebron are going to switch between 5 and 4, and 4 and 3, and not have a defined role on the team, more importantly we're not going to be sure what's the right path to go with. Even AD even said he's seen the team do better at him at the 5, even though that was not the initial plan. They signed 2 Centers for a reason, with intention for one to start (as is the rumored Hield/Turner interest).

I definitely see the potential still left with AD/Lebron, however there are significant issues still present not addressed.
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The worry is that AD/Lebron are going to switch between 5 and 4, and 4 and 3, and not have a defined role on the team. Even AD even said he's seen the team do better at him at the 5, even though that was not the initial plan. They signed 2 Centers for a reason.

Just think this is a team that has many of the same issues as last year only because they're a lot younger and have more experience playing together, the end results should be a lot better.

Preseason keeps me feeling that this team should be able to win 43sh games. I don't see us as bad as some make us out to be, but I also won't drink the kool-aid yet.

well, if Lebron and AD played 70 games with those numbers and we still only win 43 games, we have bigger problems than RW to worry at that point.
1. they simply won't play 70 games
2. i don't see AD shoot 40% from the 3 or even 30%(which i would gladly take)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:55 am    Post subject:

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Westbrook set up to drive from the right twice, but stepped out of bounds. ESPN didn't show a replay, but I assume that he planted his foot behind him to start the drive and stepped on the line. Westbrook needs to get his footwork right, because those two plays might have gotten him going.

Walker took advantage of the TWolves not having much rim protection without Gobert and KAT. At times, he looked better on defense than his reputation, but at times he looked lost.

Schroder looked like a guy who just got off the plane and is still getting into game form. Funny how that works.

Hands down, the worst performance of the night was Richard Jefferson on ESPN. I hope that those of you who live in southern California were able to watch a local broadcast. I understand that TV analysts are going to spout a lot of cliches and vacuous noise. Jefferson cranked it up to 11. I don't really care if an analyst says stuff I don't agree with. I can think for myself. But when the analyst spouts an endless stream of cliches and platitudes, it gets painful. I dread the possibility that he's going to be calling a lot of games this year.


We lost by 2 possessions=Russ on the line. Small things add up...


Oh, come on, man. It was a preseason game. We emptied the bench in the fourth quarter. As a team, we had 20 turnovers, and Westbrook had only three of them. We missed 16 straight threes.

Westbrook is not the root of all evil. I regularly bashed Westbrook back before he was a Laker and before it became fashionable. It pains me that he is a Laker. But come on, he is not the source of all of our problems.


Agree to disagree. Any other player pulls that stupid sh#t they get benched. Unexcusable to me. Deva vu to last season....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:11 pm    Post subject:

I'm likely totally crazy, but thinking back about all I've seen of the team in the preseason, I actually think we've got a real shot. I feel like the gaps are fixable with the right attitudes (no guarantees on that right attitude happening, of course).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:28 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Heading into the season, we aren’t anticipating these Lakers to be a good three shooting team.

I am. Dammit.
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