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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | defense wrote: | | I see people doubting the Wolves. I would not be shocked if they were top 4 |
I could see it going either way for them. There’s not a great history with two centers playing together. |
Right. But KAT is pretty much an elite shooter, so on offense, it'll work. And Rudy just erases so many defensive mistakes.
But then again, when's the last time having such a tiny backcourt like ours worked? |
Depends where you see Towns at his best. On the perimeter to make space for Gobert? On paper they are a good fit but Towns will be even less inside which should be his biggest strength
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| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | ESPN
| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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Phoenix too high and GS too low unless they expect Curry to get injured for a good chunk of the season. |
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| Do you believe AD and Bron are healthy? Then it’s 45 win just by themselves, improvement of overall team can push it to 50 win but if get MVP/DPOY AD, that’s a contender |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | ESPN
| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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Phoenix too high and GS too low unless they expect Curry to get injured for a good chunk of the season. |
Yeah GSW with a full year of Klay and their younger guys coming back and likely getting better doesn’t smell like 11 fewer wins to me.
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| ocho wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | ESPN
| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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Phoenix too high and GS too low unless they expect Curry to get injured for a good chunk of the season. |
Yeah GSW with a full year of Klay and their younger guys coming back and likely getting better doesn’t smell like 11 fewer wins to me. |
I wouldn't be surprised if GS wins at least 60 games. They spent all of last season regaining their mojo, and their championship swag will be back. |
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If things go Ok I think 5 -7 range
If it's more like last year 9-11
It's hard to see us really competing for a title unless AD stays health and goes bonkers, LBJ stays healthy and stay steady and WB finds his niche with the squad....all of those things happening seems like a pretty high bar |
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Every year GS is slept on
Its like the media refuses to acknowledge their dynasty |
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| slavavov wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | ESPN
| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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Phoenix too high and GS too low unless they expect Curry to get injured for a good chunk of the season. |
Yeah GSW with a full year of Klay and their younger guys coming back and likely getting better doesn’t smell like 11 fewer wins to me. |
I wouldn't be surprised if GS wins at least 60 games. They spent all of last season regaining their mojo, and their championship swag will be back. |
I don't think the Warriors will be 8th, but I doubt they will win 60. They're much older now and I think they will pace the season. Klay is still less than a full year back from his injuries, and you have to keep Steph healthy as that team unravels. I think they'll be a solid top 5 team, win in the low 50s and keep their players rested.
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| av3773 wrote: | If things go Ok I think 5 -7 range
If it's more like last year 9-11
It's hard to see us really competing for a title unless AD stays health and goes bonkers, LBJ stays healthy and stay steady and WB finds his niche with the squad....all of those things happening seems like a pretty high bar |
I just find it hard, if the Lakers keep the roster as is, for us to be in the 5-7 territory. Who are we kicking out of the top 8 that I listed above, especially when we have probably the most difficult first 10 games in the NBA?
If we make a trade I think we may be able to pull ourselves into the top 6 category. If not, I think 9-10th place is about right given our funky roster construction.
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I can't stress how important our first 10 games will be. If we start off 2-8, or 3-7, things are going to get ugly and dicey. Will that lead the team to make a panic trade, or just give in and say we are basically punting?
The West is really brutal this year and there's a solid 10 teams that will be competing for the playoffs.
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The first 10 games are important, but if they are a .500 team worthy of a playoff spot shouldn’t they be able to prove it from the start?
A few of those games are very winnable. Or should be. If they are competitive they should be able to get some unexpected splits. At least 5-5 is very achievable IMO. This team is a veteran team with HoF leadership. There are no excuses for letdowns or lack of intensity at the start of a season. Prove it on the court.
The health and chemistry of the team will likely never be higher then the beginning of the season.
If the Big 3 can’t pull it together at the start of the season, then I agree wholeheartedly it will be another long and disappointing season as the players play for themselves instead of for the Lakers. Foolish desperation moves likely to follow. |
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I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
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You know the Clips will approach every Lakers game like a Super Bowl too. Bev vs. PG13/Kawhi should be umm, interesting.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | You know the Clips will approach every Lakers game like a Super Bowl too. Bev vs. PG13/Kawhi should be umm, interesting. |
When I talk about “winnable” games I am adding the need for a sense of urgency from day one.
What will be interesting is if the Lakers approach the clips or any game with a Super Bowl intensity. Lakers do not have the luxury to take any game for granted or casually approach any part of the season.
They are a team that missed the playoffs last season and expected to be competing for the play-in this season. Reputations will not win games.
Can they show any pride to prove they are anything different? That will be interesting. |
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| danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
Lakers can easily win 7 games. I expect losses from Warriors and Clips. Blazers, Nuggets, Twolves, Pels, Jazz, and Cavs should all be winnable games. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
Lakers can easily win 7 games. I expect losses from Warriors and Clips. Blazers, Nuggets, Twolves, Pels, Jazz, and Cavs should all be winnable games. |
Easily?
Nuggets are vastly improved with MVP Jokic, adding Murray/KCP/Brown and Porter back. They may win the West and we play them twice (including one in Denver which is always a tough game).
TWolves will have a massive frontline and we're expecting Beverly to shut down guys like Edwards (and BI against the Pels)?
I wouldn't say we easily win 7 games at all.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
Lakers can easily win 7 games. I expect losses from Warriors and Clips. Blazers, Nuggets, Twolves, Pels, Jazz, and Cavs should all be winnable games. |
Easily?
Nuggets are vastly improved with MVP Jokic, adding Murray/KCP/Brown and Porter back. They may win the West and we play them twice (including one in Denver which is always a tough game).
TWolves will have a massive frontline and we're expecting Beverly to shut down guys like Edwards (and BI against the Pels)?
I wouldn't say we easily win 7 games at all. |
More likely we start 0-11 than go 7-4 |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
Lakers can easily win 7 games. I expect losses from Warriors and Clips. Blazers, Nuggets, Twolves, Pels, Jazz, and Cavs should all be winnable games. |
Easily?
Nuggets are vastly improved with MVP Jokic, adding Murray/KCP/Brown and Porter back. They may win the West and we play them twice (including one in Denver which is always a tough game).
TWolves will have a massive frontline and we're expecting Beverly to shut down guys like Edwards (and BI against the Pels)?
I wouldn't say we easily win 7 games at all. |
Beginning of season benefits those who have played longer. Twloves might take a minute to gel. I don't think the Lakers have a horrible matchup against the Nugs so 1 outta 2 is possible. I think Lakers might be lucky to see tough teams to start. AD has to prove he is who he is. Lebron will want to make a statement. First 10 games are all winnable. I may have been exaggerating with "easily" but I don't see as much doom and gloom to start the season.
Just for reference.
1. Warriors-L
2. Clips-L
3. Blazers-W
4. Nuggets-L
5. TWolves-W
6. Nuggets-W
7. Pels-W
8. Jazz-W
9. Cavs-W
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)-L
11. Clips-W |
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I'll never actively root for the Lakers to lose, and I would love for them to defy everything and be 11-0. But trying to be realistic. Honestly, if we can go 5-6 in that stretch, I'd be happy.
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| ocho wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | ESPN
| Quote: | ESPN’s Stat-based win projections for the West:
1. PHX - 49
2. DEN - 47.9
3. NOP - 47.6
4. MEM - 46.1
5. MIN - 45.7
6. LAC - 43.6
7. DAL - 43.1
8. GSW - 41.9
9. LAL - 36.8
10. POR - 36.6
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Phoenix too high and GS too low unless they expect Curry to get injured for a good chunk of the season. |
Yeah GSW with a full year of Klay and their younger guys coming back and likely getting better doesn’t smell like 11 fewer wins to me. |
Speaking of, Wiseman had 20 and 9 in 24 min in their first preseason game today.
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1. @Warriors L
2. Clips L
# Fans crying on LG
3. Blazers W
4. @Nuggets L
# fans cry some more on LG
5. @TWolves W
# fans say, "It's just the Wolves, I knew Golbert and Kat wouldn't work"
6. Nuggets W
7. Pels W
8. Jazz W
9. Cavs W
10. @Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back) W
# fans say, "Who have we really beaten? Mostly home games. The next game is the real test"
11. @Clips W
# fans say, "I'm optimistic but we still need a trade"
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| I think there is reason for optimism. The players seem all in on Ham's philosophy, guys like Pat Bev and Nunn should make an immediate impact, Reaves is going to be better, the rotation is going to feature more young, scrappy, hard-nosed players like JTA, Brown, and Jones, the center rotation is much improved, and AD should have a bounce back season after two disappointing years. With all of that said, it is difficult to envision this team as presently constructed having a season that slots them higher than the 6th seed and even that seems like a stretch. There are just too many better rosters in the conference. Just gotta hope they're in the same tier as the Pels, Mavs, and Grizz without Jaren. |
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't even go into the first 11 games, but here it is:
1. Warriors
2. Clips
3. Blazers
4. Nuggets
5. TWolves
6. Nuggets
7. Pels
8. Jazz
9. Cavs
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)
11. Clips
That's a gauntlet if I've ever seen one sans the Jazz games. I have our "winnable" games as Jazz x 2, Blazers, maybe one of Pels/Cavs. |
Ouch. 4-7 probably |
Lakers can easily win 7 games. I expect losses from Warriors and Clips. Blazers, Nuggets, Twolves, Pels, Jazz, and Cavs should all be winnable games. |
Easily?
Nuggets are vastly improved with MVP Jokic, adding Murray/KCP/Brown and Porter back. They may win the West and we play them twice (including one in Denver which is always a tough game).
TWolves will have a massive frontline and we're expecting Beverly to shut down guys like Edwards (and BI against the Pels)?
I wouldn't say we easily win 7 games at all. |
Beginning of season benefits those who have played longer. Twloves might take a minute to gel. I don't think the Lakers have a horrible matchup against the Nugs so 1 outta 2 is possible. I think Lakers might be lucky to see tough teams to start. AD has to prove he is who he is. Lebron will want to make a statement. First 10 games are all winnable. I may have been exaggerating with "easily" but I don't see as much doom and gloom to start the season.
Just for reference.
1. Warriors-L
2. Clips-L
3. Blazers-W
4. Nuggets-L
5. TWolves-W
6. Nuggets-W
7. Pels-W
8. Jazz-W
9. Cavs-W
10. Jazz (2nd of a back-to-back)-L
11. Clips-W |
Lakers also don’t have that luxury. Only 4 players who played on last year's team are coming back this year. Nunn missing so much time is essentially a new piece as well.
Lakers also have a new head coach/staff unlike every team other than the jazz. Even if the team has responded well so far, Ham is still very unproven. Ham also seems determined to make Westbrook work based on his quotes. Those 2 aforementioned things are going to require an adjustment period despite the optimism.
Not saying the lakers should give up, but we shouldn’t deny their weaknesses as well. |
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