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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:06 pm Post subject:
If it's possible for a film like PHILADELPHIA to be underrated even while winning the Oscar, it really is underrated in my book. Denzel and Hanks elevated that film masterfully. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:01 am Post subject:
Some others I'd personally have really high on a rankings list:
Morgan Freeman
Samuel L. Jackson
Joe Pesci (remarkable dramatic actor who was also hilarious in comedies)
Johnny Depp
Jake Gyllenhaal (absolutely ROBBED for awards in Nightcrawler)
Christian Bale
Gene Hackman
Jeff Bridges
Viggo Mortensen
JK Simmons
John Goodman (very underrated character actor in film)
John C. Reilly (speaking of character actors)
Ed Harris
Gary Sinise (if anyone should have won an acting Oscar for Forrest Gump, it was him)
A special shout-out goes to Robin Williams, who was one of the most talented people to ever live in entertainment. As an actor, his range could go from uproariously funny/zany to seriously dramatic to downright dark and disturbing.
One more late actor I absolutely loved was Alan Rickman.
Bryan Cranston just from his role from ww has forever cemented himself in my top ten. Idk if he’s ha sir will find his footing in a movie sense but his dramatic acting overall a serial tv show is off the charts.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:57 am Post subject:
Heartburn wrote:
If it's possible for a film like PHILADELPHIA to be underrated even while winning the Oscar, it really is underrated in my book. Denzel and Hanks elevated that film masterfully.
It was the film where it was truly apparent that Hanks was a deep, quality actor (while The Oscar’s love “transformations” like Gump and Hoffman’s Rain Man and Thornton’s asking Blade role, and they are beautiful technical accomplishments, it is far harder IMO to inhabit the nuances of a role without the over the top parts). And Denzel’s humanity and vulnerability achieved from a bigoted start in such an honest and believable fashion was amazing. The opera scene had some of the most intense intimacy between a gay and straight man on screen, and they had the courage not to overplay it as well. Both guys showed all the tools in that film. And it gave us not one but two great songs to boot. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Some others I'd personally have really high on a rankings list:
Morgan Freeman
Samuel L. Jackson
Joe Pesci (remarkable dramatic actor who was also hilarious in comedies)
Johnny Depp
Jake Gyllenhaal (absolutely ROBBED for awards in Nightcrawler)
Christian Bale
Gene Hackman
Jeff Bridges
Viggo Mortensen
JK Simmons
John Goodman (very underrated character actor in film)
John C. Reilly (speaking of character actors)
Ed Harris
Gary Sinise (if anyone should have won an acting Oscar for Forrest Gump, it was him)
A special shout-out goes to Robin Williams, who was one of the most talented people to ever live in entertainment. As an actor, his range could go from uproariously funny/zany to seriously dramatic to downright dark and disturbing.
One more late actor I absolutely loved was Alan Rickman.
A shout out to Stanley Tucci as the ultimate character actor archetype. There are a few actors who I will watch in anything, some of whom you mentioned and another comes to mind: Kevin Kline. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 am Post subject:
Val Kilmer deserves a highly underrated label. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:52 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Some others I'd personally have really high on a rankings list:
Morgan Freeman
Samuel L. Jackson
Joe Pesci (remarkable dramatic actor who was also hilarious in comedies)
Johnny Depp
Jake Gyllenhaal (absolutely ROBBED for awards in Nightcrawler)
Christian Bale
Gene Hackman
Jeff Bridges
Viggo Mortensen
JK Simmons
John Goodman (very underrated character actor in film)
John C. Reilly (speaking of character actors)
Ed Harris
Gary Sinise (if anyone should have won an acting Oscar for Forrest Gump, it was him)
A special shout-out goes to Robin Williams, who was one of the most talented people to ever live in entertainment. As an actor, his range could go from uproariously funny/zany to seriously dramatic to downright dark and disturbing.
One more late actor I absolutely loved was Alan Rickman.
Hackman is definitely at the top of my list to add. One of my favorites for sure. And I always enjoy Harris's subtleties.
Ones I would definitely add, Sam Rockwell (total chameleon), Tom Hardy (one of the best at doing very broad characters in a completely believable way) and Jesse Plemons (who is just brilliant). _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Denzel Washington
Robert De Niro
Al Pacino
Robert Duvall
Jack Nicholson
Daniel Day-Lewis
Anthony Hopkins
Dustin Hoffman _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
Black20Ice wrote:
1 being the best and 9 being last on the list.
In Alphabetical Order:
Daniel Day-Lewis
Robert De Niro
Robert Duvall
Tom Hanks
Dustin Hoffman
Anthony Hopkins
Jack Nicholson
Al Pacino
Denzel Washington
1) De Niro
2) Pacino
3) Nicholson
4) Day Lewis
5) Hopkins
6) Denzel
7) Hoffman
8) Duvall
9) Hanks
Like all of them. I like Duvall, normally he wouldn't be that low. A good one to add would be Hackman. I'd have him up there under Jack or maybe even over. I remember Howard Stern once reading a supposed quote of Duvall that Hackman could act rings around Jack or the like, tho don't recall what the enmity was or if it was actually true. I just watched Quick And The Dead again a couple times in the last few daze on YT. It's currently free. And Gene Hackman was the only good thing to come out of San Bernardino. Usually bad things like McDonald's, The Hell's Angels and Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lost eye come from Berdoo. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
If it's possible for a film like PHILADELPHIA to be underrated even while winning the Oscar, it really is underrated in my book. Denzel and Hanks elevated that film masterfully.
It was the film where it was truly apparent that Hanks was a deep, quality actor (while The Oscar’s love “transformations” like Gump and Hoffman’s Rain Man and Thornton’s asking Blade role, and they are beautiful technical accomplishments, it is far harder IMO to inhabit the nuances of a role without the over the top parts). And Denzel’s humanity and vulnerability achieved from a bigoted start in such an honest and believable fashion was amazing. The opera scene had some of the most intense intimacy between a gay and straight man on screen, and they had the courage not to overplay it as well. Both guys showed all the tools in that film. And it gave us not one but two great songs to boot.
I would've said Bachelor Party, but Phila, good movie. I think that was more Denzel's movie for some reason, tho. He was the character that had the arc in the flick, but the Academy doesn't recognize those roles or the Tom Cruise in RainMan or Ray Liotta in GoodFellas roles. But those roles hold up the entire movie. The pharmacy scene was memorable.
Agree 100 on the transformations and Academy thing, but Billy Bob sunk DEEEEP into that character. Dayum. French fried taters, mmm-HMM...
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
non-player zealot wrote:
I like Duvall, normally he wouldn't be that low. A good one to add would be Hackman. I'd have him up there under Jack or maybe even over. I remember Howard Stern once reading a supposed quote of Duvall that Hackman could act rings around Jack or the like, tho don't recall what the enmity was or if it was actually true. I just watched Quick And The Dead again a couple times in the last few daze on YT. It's currently free. And Gene Hackman was the only good thing to come out of San Bernardino. Usually bad things like McDonald's, The Hell's Angels and Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lost eye come from Berdoo.
I really thought Duvall should've won his Academy nomination for "The Apostle" or Nicholson for "As Good As It Gets" but the writing was on the wall that whole award season.
Of course, his film debut is one of my all-time favorite movies (To Kill A Mockingbird).
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
Black20Ice wrote:
non-player zealot wrote:
I like Duvall, normally he wouldn't be that low. A good one to add would be Hackman. I'd have him up there under Jack or maybe even over. I remember Howard Stern once reading a supposed quote of Duvall that Hackman could act rings around Jack or the like, tho don't recall what the enmity was or if it was actually true. I just watched Quick And The Dead again a couple times in the last few daze on YT. It's currently free. And Gene Hackman was the only good thing to come out of San Bernardino. Usually bad things like McDonald's, The Hell's Angels and Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lost eye come from Berdoo.
I really thought Duvall should've won his Academy nomination for "The Apostle" or Nicholson for "As Good As It Gets" but the writing was on the wall that whole award season.
Of course, his film debut is one of my all-time favorite movies (To Kill A Mockingbird).
Oh, Boo was his first? I recall watching the film in school after reading the book and the teacher asked if any of us knew who that was and none of us did and that was in 91/2. Idiots... _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
non-player zealot wrote:
Black20Ice wrote:
1 being the best and 9 being last on the list.
In Alphabetical Order:
Daniel Day-Lewis
Robert De Niro
Robert Duvall
Tom Hanks
Dustin Hoffman
Anthony Hopkins
Jack Nicholson
Al Pacino
Denzel Washington
1) De Niro
2) Pacino
3) Nicholson
4) Day Lewis
5) Hopkins
6) Denzel
7) Hoffman
8) Duvall
9) Hanks
Like all of them. I like Duvall, normally he wouldn't be that low. A good one to add would be Hackman. I'd have him up there under Jack or maybe even over. I remember Howard Stern once reading a supposed quote of Duvall that Hackman could act rings around Jack or the like, tho don't recall what the enmity was or if it was actually true. I just watched Quick And The Dead again a couple times in the last few daze on YT. It's currently free. And Gene Hackman was the only good thing to come out of San Bernardino. Usually bad things like McDonald's, The Hell's Angels and Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lost eye come from Berdoo.
I think Hackman had more range than Jack, and while his Little Bill character in Unforgiven is one of the best villains of all time, I think Jack had better peak intensity. Just owned the camera. And his professionalism is legendary. Cruise said he got serious about acting after working with jack. Came in for a table read and jack knew everyone’s lines by heart. Apparently gave the famous “you can’t handle the truth” speech several times exactly with that fire so they could set up different reaction shots and he wanted them to have the real thing to react to. Obvious penchant for over the top at times but few if any actors can hold the camera like he could. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
Omar Little wrote:
I think Hackman had more range than Jack, and while his Little Bill character in Unforgiven is one of the best villains of all time, I think Jack had better peak intensity. Just owned the camera. And his professionalism is legendary. Cruise said he got serious about acting after working with jack. Came in for a table read and jack knew everyone’s lines by heart. Apparently gave the famous “you can’t handle the truth” speech several times exactly with that fire so they could set up different reaction shots and he wanted them to have the real thing to react to. Obvious penchant for over the top at times but few if any actors can hold the camera like he could.
I think Hackman probably did have more range, but Jack's sensibilities regarding good and bad characters was probably more equivalent than Gene's. Jack does both and he's been loved as both forever it seems. He's rooted for as villains, even if it's subconscious. Hackman was a delectable villain. He had an internalized "arrr-arrrr-arr..." sarcastic little dog growl style when delivering cutting lines usually w/ a sh-eating grin (think him deriding Leo and Crowe in Quick/Dead). Kinda reminds me of Hopkins as Lector when Hannibal would get in a burn or when he was sparring w/ Gibson in "The Bounty". Then again, Gene was still solid as upright characters a la "Mississippi Burning", tho his upright ones seem to still be anti-heroes to some degree. He was def that in MB w/ Dafoe being the straight-laced one.
To me, Jack's best work usually came against a female mate and that usually when he was disgusted w/ her. He had plenty of those. Think "The Border", "Five Easy Pieces", "Shining". Or even when he wasn't an outright prick to his mate, he was still great in those roles, a la "Terms Endearment". Five Easy Pieces was probably his big (or one of his first big) recognition roles. He got to show his goods in a long character study of the restless soul that his character didn't even fully understand, much less his female partner. Jack's eyebrows were also a gift from above. Gene had to make due w/o the aid of a feature like those, admittedly. It's kinda like Kobe's hands vs MJ/Dr.J's hands. The Border (1982) is a "lost" Jack role compared to all his big hits of that era, but I think the concept could easily work as a current remake. You can get why he was enchanted w/ younger Elpidia Carrillo in that (don't blame him -- she was mad cute).
I love both and don't really rank them one over another, nor w/ most of the other listees, but the summation of their roles combined w/ which movies of theirs I like and how many of them I happen to like are factors.
As per Hoffman, his 60s/70s stuff is more vital afaic. He was in his prime then. "Kramer", "Midnight Cowboy", "Marathon Man". Excellent roles. Credit for 1988's "Rain Man", as well, but his seriousness in the 70s really appeals to me more. I love "Marathon Man", which is the flick where he supposedly method-acted being up for 2 days and asked Olivier how he does it, to which Laurence replied, "It's called acting, my boy." There's dispute over the authenticity of that, but it's feasible as Hoffman was very wrecked in that role. Roy Scheider and Bill DeVane were good, too, Oliver got his final Oscar nom for the Nazi dentist and "Is it safe?" Kramer is a powerhouse between that Hoffman and Streep, tho I think Streep was a little pigeonholed at that time w/ coy/shy/quiet/mousey roles ("Deer Hunter", "Sophie's Choice", etc). Surprised how it hasn't held up over the decades, you rarely hear it mentioned in good movie chitchat. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject:
Love this discussion! I agree with so many of these thoughts. Love Val Kilmer, love Kevin Kline, love Stanley Tucci. (The scene in The Devil Wears Prada where Tucci's character thinks he's about to finally land this long-awaited promotion and Meryl Streep's Miranda Priestly pulls the rug at the last minute, the expressions on Tucci's face as he goes from apparent elation to just getting his hopes and dreams crushed, yeah, that's acting right there.)
Hackman's Little Bill is one of the reasons that Unforgiven is a perfect film, as is, of course, Clint Eastwood's direction of it, but that's getting off on a tangent.
Bryan Cranston is fabulous in pretty much anything he does.
Tom Cruise has always been one of my favorites. I know he's this gigantic movie star, but I think his acting talents are underrated, if anything. I thought his work in Top Gun Maverick was exceptional (that scene with Kilmer, chef's kiss), especially considering that he basically had his hand in every single part of the making of that film. I think of Born On The Fourth Of July, Jerry Maguire (he should have won over Geoffrey Rush that year for Best Actor), Magnolia, and Tropic Thunder as great examples of his talent. (His comedic turn in Tropic Thunder was most unexpected and was hilarious.)
And I can't believe no one has mentioned Sean Penn yet. He's an extraordinary talent, and I think his best work, even though it didn't win him an Oscar, was in I am Sam. I also think of the scene in Mystic River where he's wailing "is that my daughter in there!?!?"... no words. That scene also reminds me of how much I love Kevin Bacon. His nuance in that scene feels just right, and he got screwed out of an Oscar nod for Murder In The First.
Simping for Annie Hathaway got me to watch "Devil Wears Prada". I moved on her like a B. Them legz alone, man. Mm. And she isn't just made of legs, either. She has other parts. Think about it.
Chicknstu, (aside from "Ridgemont", which is just a nostalgic inclusion), my fave Penn(s) flick is "At Close Range" (1985) w/ Walken and the Penn bros, Crispin Glover, Mary Stuart Masterson, and a baby-faced Keifer. Great movie. Slow-paced, but powerful. Excellent evil role by Chris Walken. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:39 am Post subject:
Penh was great in Mystic River (a best picture winner almost any other year) as was Bacon, but the two people who owned that movie were Robbins’ searing portrayal of a man doomed from the start, and the smaller but crucial role by the always amazing Laura Linney.
The guys who played them as kids, and the young actors (including Emmy Rossum) who played the victim, her killer, and his brother were also standout. Marcia Gay Harden was effective if a bit too on the nose for me, and that’s a small blight in a large cast just nailing their parts. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Rate These Actors from 1-9 (In Terms of Your Preference)
Black20Ice wrote:
non-player zealot wrote:
I like Duvall, normally he wouldn't be that low. A good one to add would be Hackman. I'd have him up there under Jack or maybe even over. I remember Howard Stern once reading a supposed quote of Duvall that Hackman could act rings around Jack or the like, tho don't recall what the enmity was or if it was actually true. I just watched Quick And The Dead again a couple times in the last few daze on YT. It's currently free. And Gene Hackman was the only good thing to come out of San Bernardino. Usually bad things like McDonald's, The Hell's Angels and Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lost eye come from Berdoo.
I really thought Duvall should've won his Academy nomination for "The Apostle" or Nicholson for "As Good As It Gets" but the writing was on the wall that whole award season.
Of course, his film debut is one of my all-time favorite movies (To Kill A Mockingbird).
He was great in "Colors" by the way. Not the greatest script or direction (Dennis Hopper) w/ some overdone punch sounds and stuff like that. Wayans in there for comedic effect ("Gimme back my rabbit!").. It was a weird movie, but still entertaining. However, Duvall as Hodges, a fair, but firm cop vs the hotshot, out of bounds youngster. I like the scene where Hodges is talking to the Crip kids and he is trying to be fatherly to an extent, saying, "Yer heart is racing," to the kid, giving them a get outta here instead of busting them, etc. He was a great casting decision for that role. Penn was good as usual, too. "F YOU, PAC MAAAN!" Young Cheadle, Wayans, and male model Leon in the van. No one woulda called Cheadle's future based on that early "Hey, Blood!" role. Btw, when Cheadle said that and blew the Blood away, the Blood was telling his homeboy, "Yo, Magic's the MAN!" right before that. DAMN STRAIGHT! _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:05 am Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
Penh was great in Mystic River (a best picture winner almost any other year) as was Bacon, but the two people who owned that movie were Robbins’ searing portrayal of a man doomed from the start, and the smaller but crucial role by the always amazing Laura Linney.
The guys who played them as kids, and the young actors (including Emmy Rossum) who played the victim, her killer, and his brother were also standout. Marcia Gay Harden was effective if a bit too on the nose for me, and that’s a small blight in a large cast just nailing their parts.
I should have listed Linney among my favorite actresses. She's great.
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:38 am Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
jodeke wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
focus wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Robert Duvall is so underrated, if that's possible. My bottom-3 of this group (and I like them all) would have to be Hanks, Hoffman, and Denzel. I'm not sure how I'd rank the other 6.
Did you ever see Flight?
Yes. Has to be one of Denzel's best roles.
I thought Training Day really showcased his versatility.LINK ///LINK
I enjoyed him getting to stretch his legs a bit as the villain. Favorite role of his was man on fire. Easy to just mail that in and his level of nuance especially with fanning was spectacular. Philadelphia was another great job among many.
I thought his version was better than Scott Glen's
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Robert Duvall is so underrated, if that's possible. My bottom-3 of this group (and I like them all) would have to be Hanks, Hoffman, and Denzel. I'm not sure how I'd rank the other 6.
Did you ever see Flight?
Yes. Has to be one of Denzel's best roles.
I thought Training Day really showcased his versatility.LINK ///LINK
I enjoyed him getting to stretch his legs a bit as the villain. Favorite role of his was man on fire. Easy to just mail that in and his level of nuance especially with fanning was spectacular. Philadelphia was another great job among many.
I thought his version was better than Scott Glen's
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:13 pm Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
Heartburn wrote:
If it's possible for a film like PHILADELPHIA to be underrated even while winning the Oscar, it really is underrated in my book. Denzel and Hanks elevated that film masterfully.
It was the film where it was truly apparent that Hanks was a deep, quality actor (while The Oscar’s love “transformations” like Gump and Hoffman’s Rain Man and Thornton’s asking Blade role, and they are beautiful technical accomplishments, it is far harder IMO to inhabit the nuances of a role without the over the top parts). And Denzel’s humanity and vulnerability achieved from a bigoted start in such an honest and believable fashion was amazing. The opera scene had some of the most intense intimacy between a gay and straight man on screen, and they had the courage not to overplay it as well. Both guys showed all the tools in that film. And it gave us not one but two great songs to boot.
This! Unbelievable scene. Lots of vulnerability and intimacy.
I also like the mention in this thread of Bryan Cranston. He's a wonderful actor and a real chameleon. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
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