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| pjiddy wrote: | | 27 wrote: | What do we think about Mike Budenholzer is HC? Maybe look at Reddick to be an assistant?
Gotta be an upgrade over Ham, no? We were small tweaks away from winning games against the Nuggets for 2 years. Gotta hope the new coach knows how and when to call a TO |
Bud would def be an upgrade over Ham. Hopefully they'd keep Jent. Reddick i suspect is waiting for his own head coaching job and he'd be smart to take a young team in a rebuild. It's a fools errand to make your first head-coaching a job a team in win-now mode. |
Totally agree. Nash, Luke Walton, and maybe Ham dont sniff a HC position again. Especially Lakers. We are not a team that should hire a 1st time head coach ever again. It's too much. This team will always require a very very strong head coach or we are cooked |
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Btw, is DeMarcus that done done? Worse than Giles?
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If lakers bring in Trae for AR+Rui+3 FRP's, I think they need to immediately shift their attention to landing an off guard/wing that is good sized and can play solid defense. I wonder if OG Anunoby could be a target.
Proposed 3 team deal that works in trade machine if booker forces himself to NY:
Suns Receive:
Julius Randle
D'angelo Russell
3 FRP's from Knicks
2024 Lakers FRP
Lakers Receive:
OG Anunoby
Knicks Receive:
Devin Booker
who says no above?
Lakers would then have potential starting line of:
Trae Young
OG Anunoby
Jared Vanderbilt
LeBron
AD
Is that an improvement of last years team?
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| Inverse wrote: | If lakers bring in Trae for AR+Rui+3 FRP's, I think they need to immediately shift their attention to landing an off guard/wing that is good sized and can play solid defense. I wonder if OG Anunoby could be a target.
Proposed 3 team deal that works in trade machine if booker forces himself to NY:
Suns Receive:
Julius Randle
D'angelo Russell
3 FRP's from Knicks
2024 Lakers FRP
Lakers Receive:
OG Anunoby
Knicks Receive:
Devin Booker
who says no above?
Lakers would then have potential starting line of:
Trae Young
OG Anunoby
Jared Vanderbilt
LeBron
AD
Is that an improvement of last years team? |
The Knicks say no. Anunoby has been a perfect missing piece for them. What the Knicks need is to add another star but not lose a championship role player to do so.
Is there a variant of this deal that sends LeBron to the Knicks and lands a better star than Trae to the Lakers? That's what I'd be exploring: combining Knicks picks + our own picks for a megastar (think Giannis). Otherwise, keeping LeBron and AD and finding two-way rotation players. |
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Yama
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| tbh out of all the capspace teams only Orlando makes sense for DLO. Other than that, maybe Bulls or Pelicans in a sign and trade? I think it is in his best interest to get a deal done here, so I'd guess maybe 2/50 |
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| Yama wrote: | | tbh out of all the capspace teams only Orlando makes sense for DLO. Other than that, maybe Bulls or Pelicans in a sign and trade? I think it is in his best interest to get a deal done here, so I'd guess maybe 2/50 |
I wouldn’t count out the Spurs especially if they can’t get Chris Paul or another PG to help Wemby |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Yama wrote: | | tbh out of all the capspace teams only Orlando makes sense for DLO. Other than that, maybe Bulls or Pelicans in a sign and trade? I think it is in his best interest to get a deal done here, so I'd guess maybe 2/50 |
I wouldn’t count out the Spurs especially if they can’t get Chris Paul or another PG to help Wemby |
Yeah true, I think they will go in a different direction but its def a possibility. Personally I am hoping for a sign and trade |
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Bring Mikal Bridges and Myles Turner to PnG
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One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
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| Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff
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| levon wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | If lakers bring in Trae for AR+Rui+3 FRP's, I think they need to immediately shift their attention to landing an off guard/wing that is good sized and can play solid defense. I wonder if OG Anunoby could be a target.
Proposed 3 team deal that works in trade machine if booker forces himself to NY:
Suns Receive:
Julius Randle
D'angelo Russell
3 FRP's from Knicks
2024 Lakers FRP
Lakers Receive:
OG Anunoby
Knicks Receive:
Devin Booker
who says no above?
Lakers would then have potential starting line of:
Trae Young
OG Anunoby
Jared Vanderbilt
LeBron
AD
Is that an improvement of last years team? |
The Knicks say no. Anunoby has been a perfect missing piece for them. What the Knicks need is to add another star but not lose a championship role player to do so.
Is there a variant of this deal that sends LeBron to the Knicks and lands a better star than Trae to the Lakers? That's what I'd be exploring: combining Knicks picks + our own picks for a megastar (think Giannis). Otherwise, keeping LeBron and AD and finding two-way rotation players. |
i dont think the knicks say no to this. They get to pair Booker with Brunson and then have tons of ammo still in Dante DiVencenzo/Josh Hart/Bogdanovic to go land that wing that will replace Anunoby.
I mean in a sense Vando can do a lot of things Anunoby can do for the knicks on the defensive end so in theory if thats the hold up then sure lakers would trade vando for Dante D which also works in a vacuum.
Lakers would gain offense but lose out on wing defense in that trade so not sure how we feel about that
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| governator wrote: | | Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff |
Specifically against elite teams.
You'll get arguments that they did step up like that against MEM and GSW last year, but I think those teams aren't elite. MEM was injury-plagued and GSW was old coming off of a tough SAC series.
And, all 3 didn't make the playoffs this year. |
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| Japago wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff |
Specifically against elite teams.
You'll get arguments that they did step up like that against MEM and GSW last year, but I think those teams aren't elite. MEM was injury-plagued and GSW was old coming off of a tough SAC series.
And, all 3 didn't make the playoffs this year. |
If you continue that analysis, the Suns were just swept and Minny was missing 3 keys players against Denver, so there were no elite teams that Denver faced either.
I don't believe there's an elite team in the West outside of Denver, and even their bench is a big problem. Let's see what Minny does. |
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| governator wrote: | | Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff |
it's exceedingly difficult to build a championship team purely out of free agents and trade acqusitions. the 2020 lakers were a total anomaly.
2023: Nuggets (drafted Jokic, Murray, MPJ
2022: warriors (curry, klay, dray, poole)
2021: bucks (giannis)
2020: lakers
2019: raptors (siakam, fvv, anunoby)
2018: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2017: warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2016: Cavs (kyrie)
2015: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2014: Spurs (Parker, Duncan, Kawhi, Manu)
2013: Heat (Wade)
2012: Heat (Wade)
2011: Mavs (Dirk)
2010: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2009: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2008: Celtics (Pierce, Rondo)
2007: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2006: Heat (Wade)
2005: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2004: Pistons (Tayshaun Prince)
2001-03: Lakers (Kobe)
You know everyone before that with their drafted hall of famers (MJ/Scottie, Olujuwon, Isiah, Magic, Bird, etc)
Tayshaun on the Pistons you can call a stretch since he was more a role player than an all-star. So the Lakers are basically forever trying to build the type of contender that has only worked twice ever. |
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The Warriors will try to get Durant first, but i think they could theoretically trade Wiggins and Chris Paul + Picks for Lebron and then not have to give up Kuminga (they're not giving us Kuminga for 40 year old Lebron, come on).
Chris Paul can be waived. Or could be traded to another team looking to duck the apron in exchange for a pick? Wiggins we could hopefully rehab his value a bit. There will be a contender that will take a flyer on him and 25-26 million isn't that much these days. You could maybe get two firsts out of it. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff |
it's exceedingly difficult to build a championship team purely out of free agents and trade acqusitions. the 2020 lakers were a total anomaly.
2023: Nuggets (drafted Jokic, Murray, MPJ
2022: warriors (curry, klay, dray, poole)
2021: bucks (giannis)
2020: lakers
2019: raptors (siakam, fvv, anunoby)
2018: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2017: warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2016: Cavs (kyrie)
2015: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2014: Spurs (Parker, Duncan, Kawhi, Manu)
2013: Heat (Wade)
2012: Heat (Wade)
2011: Mavs (Dirk)
2010: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2009: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2008: Celtics (Pierce, Rondo)
2007: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2006: Heat (Wade)
2005: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2004: Pistons (Tayshaun Prince)
2001-03: Lakers (Kobe)
You know everyone before that with their drafted hall of famers (MJ/Scottie, Olujuwon, Isiah, Magic, Bird, etc)
Tayshaun on the Pistons you can call a stretch since he was more a role player than an all-star. So the Lakers are basically forever trying to build the type of contender that has only worked twice ever. |
Why you leaving out D Fish? Lol
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| pjiddy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Japago wrote: | One thing that's not been talked about in that Denver series is that THEY actually had a big 3.
MPJ put 23 PPG and 8 REB on 55/49/77.
Aaron Gordon 14 PPG and 10 REB on 53/10/86 and plays really good defense. He matched what one of AR/DLo did, but with defense and with more efficiency.
Their 2 guys behind their 2 stars were MUCH better than DLo and AR. That was the difference. |
Our 3-5 simply not as good as Denver’s 3-5, MPJ and Gordon can be a #1 or 2 option if need be, ours haven’t look like they can, not in the playoff |
it's exceedingly difficult to build a championship team purely out of free agents and trade acqusitions. the 2020 lakers were a total anomaly.
2023: Nuggets (drafted Jokic, Murray, MPJ
2022: warriors (curry, klay, dray, poole)
2021: bucks (giannis)
2020: lakers
2019: raptors (siakam, fvv, anunoby)
2018: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2017: warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2016: Cavs (kyrie)
2015: Warriors (curry, klay, dray)
2014: Spurs (Parker, Duncan, Kawhi, Manu)
2013: Heat (Wade)
2012: Heat (Wade)
2011: Mavs (Dirk)
2010: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2009: Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
2008: Celtics (Pierce, Rondo)
2007: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2006: Heat (Wade)
2005: Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Manu)
2004: Pistons (Tayshaun Prince)
2001-03: Lakers (Kobe)
You know everyone before that with their drafted hall of famers (MJ/Scottie, Olujuwon, Isiah, Magic, Bird, etc)
Tayshaun on the Pistons you can call a stretch since he was more a role player than an all-star. So the Lakers are basically forever trying to build the type of contender that has only worked twice ever. |
If you're gonna include Poole you'll have to include either Kuzma or AC in 2020, but yeah, the 2020 Lakers were such a lightning in the bottle. |
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| 27 wrote: | What do we think about Mike Budenholzer is HC? Maybe look at Reddick to be an assistant?
Gotta be an upgrade over Ham, no? We were small tweaks away from winning games against the Nuggets for 2 years. Gotta hope the new coach knows how and when to call a TO |
I would rather not have a coach Ham learned from. |
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| Yeah, Kuzma and AC were good for us, but Poole--as much as a joke as he's become--had a much greater impact on the Warriors '22 run than Kuzma or Caruso did. People didn't think that contract was that crazy when he got it. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Yeah, Kuzma and AC were good for us, but Poole--as much as a joke as he's become--had a much greater impact on the Warriors '22 run than Kuzma or Caruso did. People didn't think that contract was that crazy when he got it. |
A lot of people thought it was crazy and then only reason the Warriors gave it to him early was because Draymond just punched him out at practice.
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| CamReddish wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Yeah, Kuzma and AC were good for us, but Poole--as much as a joke as he's become--had a much greater impact on the Warriors '22 run than Kuzma or Caruso did. People didn't think that contract was that crazy when he got it. |
A lot of people thought it was crazy and then only reason the Warriors gave it to him early was because Draymond just punched him out at practice. |
There were people who thought Poole could be an allstar some day. I thought it was high, but that was not a “sorry Draymond punched you” contract. My point remains that he was a drafted high-impact player for them on their finals run.
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| pjiddy wrote: | The Warriors will try to get Durant first, but i think they could theoretically trade Wiggins and Chris Paul + Picks for Lebron and then not have to give up Kuminga (they're not giving us Kuminga for 40 year old Lebron, come on).
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What if the Lakers offer LeBron to PHX for Durant as a counter to that?
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| MJST wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | The Warriors will try to get Durant first, but i think they could theoretically trade Wiggins and Chris Paul + Picks for Lebron and then not have to give up Kuminga (they're not giving us Kuminga for 40 year old Lebron, come on).
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What if the Lakers offer LeBron to PHX for Durant as a counter to that? |
Why would Lebron want to go to Phoenix if Durant is leaving? To play with Booker and Beal? And reunite with Vogel? Why does Durant want to be the Lebron on a Laker team that can’t beat Denver? |
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You either trade the assets you have for the highest impact player you can get and make one last run with AD/Lebron or you get the most amount of assets you can for both.
I suspect Jeanie has no more appetite for a rebuild than she did 5-6 years ago, so i assume we max out Lebron and try to get Mitchell or Trae Young (ugh) for whatever we have. |
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