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Outspoken
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| governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron.
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levon
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| Halflife wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Seriously, I get criticizing LeBron's antics and drama in prior stops, but people hate him as much to replace him with *checks notes* coach-killer, non-leader, proven quitter, and certified (bleep) Kevin Durant, who's not even a better player at this point? |
It’s not only about “better” player, it’s about better fit if AD is our guy. Brunson instead of bron and we are way better.
Kd loosens up the court for AD. Bron over dribbles his own guys out of position. According to ESPN we have 2 top 10 players. It didn’t serve us well, and it hasn’t outside of bubble. |
It's not ESPN, it's impact stats. If you don't understand basketball, you're more likely to be swayed by feelings and narratives and hard-hitting analysis like "loosens things up". LeBron and KD shot the same percentage from 3 on the same volume this year, and LeBron's still better at everything else. So what exactly is getting loosened up? If you get KD, now you need another alpha playmaker and also a vocal leader.
The Brunson thing is a complete non-sequitur. We're not getting Brunson. That's like saying we'd be better off with Haliburton. Maybe, maybe not, (again according to the metrics, probably not) but that's someone else's franchise guy and there's no point even talking about it. |
I understand it fine. The Brunson mention is because 99% of people would say bron is better. He’s not for us. What we know for a fact without the bubble is that bron/ad are painfully average. Kd/ad imo would be a better duo. Lmao at bron being a vocal leader. He is the worst leader. 2 teams have quit on coaches on his watch. He accepts zero accountability. We wish he was a leader. About to be 4 coaches in 6 years on his watch. |
You know what else we have? A title that was 100% his leadership under the most difficult circumstances (Kobe's passing, worldwide pandemic).
This is where you fart out "bubble" into a forum text box though? Am I right? |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
Lol move on straight to lottery. |
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Bron2AD
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| Halflife wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Seriously, I get criticizing LeBron's antics and drama in prior stops, but people hate him as much to replace him with *checks notes* coach-killer, non-leader, proven quitter, and certified (bleep) Kevin Durant, who's not even a better player at this point? |
It’s not only about “better” player, it’s about better fit if AD is our guy. Brunson instead of bron and we are way better.
Kd loosens up the court for AD. Bron over dribbles his own guys out of position. According to ESPN we have 2 top 10 players. It didn’t serve us well, and it hasn’t outside of bubble. |
It's not ESPN, it's impact stats. If you don't understand basketball, you're more likely to be swayed by feelings and narratives and hard-hitting analysis like "loosens things up". LeBron and KD shot the same percentage from 3 on the same volume this year, and LeBron's still better at everything else. So what exactly is getting loosened up? If you get KD, now you need another alpha playmaker and also a vocal leader.
The Brunson thing is a complete non-sequitur. We're not getting Brunson. That's like saying we'd be better off with Haliburton. Maybe, maybe not, (again according to the metrics, probably not) but that's someone else's franchise guy and there's no point even talking about it. |
I understand it fine. The Brunson mention is because 99% of people would say bron is better. He’s not for us. What we know for a fact without the bubble is that bron/ad are painfully average. Kd/ad imo would be a better duo. Lmao at bron being a vocal leader. He is the worst leader. 2 teams have quit on coaches on his watch. He accepts zero accountability. We wish he was a leader. About to be 4 coaches in 6 years on his watch. |
What in actual F has kd done since he left gsw to be even mentioned in same sentence as lebron?
Absolutely nothing but I get ur agenda drive passive aggressiveness |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
Lol move on straight to lottery. |
If that is what happens, I mean Lakers have been in the lottery twice within the 6 Lebron seasons.
But it is time for a reboot and building better. |
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levon
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| Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
The only thing that's sensible in this post of vibes, actually backed by evidence, is that we're building around LeBron's window urgently and that if you look at the NBA landscape, maybe that's not the best timing. But AD's also in his prime.
So if you wanna punt on the next 5 years while building up to...face Wemby in his prime? A still highly effective Jokic? Ant Edwards? You'll need a coherent plan for that that makes sense for everyone. Including by the way LeBron and AD's careers, the guys that got us a title and are the only players worth a damn outside of Reaves.
I'm not open to any deal that helps the Lakers, including trading LeBron, AD, or both. But there's no such move out there yet. Maybe something materializes this summer.
The main contention seems to be centered around Klutch having too much influence on the franchise. If you look at the rest of the Lakers braintrust objectively, you should be hoping Klutch has more influence given the alternative. If Klutch had more of an influence, maybe we would've closed on Ty Lue or signed Nick Nurse. The toxicity in the room is coming from the granny with the maladaptive attachment issues. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
Lol move on straight to lottery. |
If that is what happens, I mean Lakers have been in the lottery twice within the 6 Lebron seasons.
But it is time for a reboot and building better. |
See u in 2/3 years
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Outspoken
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| levon wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
The only thing that's sensible in this post of vibes, actually backed by evidence, is that we're building around LeBron's window urgently and that if you look at the NBA landscape, maybe that's not the best timing. But AD's also in his prime.
So if you wanna punt on the next 5 years while building up to...face Wemby in his prime? A still highly effective Jokic? Ant Edwards? You'll need a coherent plan for that that makes sense for everyone. Including by the way LeBron and AD's careers, the guys that got us a title and are the only players worth a damn outside of Reaves.
I'm not open to any deal that helps the Lakers, including trading LeBron, AD, or both. But there's no such move out there yet. Maybe something materializes this summer.
The main contention seems to be centered around Klutch having too much influence on the franchise. If you look at the rest of the Lakers braintrust objectively, you should be hoping Klutch has more influence given the alternative. If Klutch had more of an influence, maybe we would've closed on Ty Lue or signed Nick Nurse. The toxicity in the room is coming from the granny with the maladaptive attachment issues. |
My main contention is Bron on the team and it hurts Lakers overall elevation, that includes too much influence.
LeBron and his fanbase is who brings toxicity to Lakers.
Every deadline, players are being discussed to be traded because of catering to Bron and his window.
I think the Lakers would be better off without LeBron, unless he took a backseat.
But he won't because he is still trying to show the world he still got it. |
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levon
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| Outspoken wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | No matter who the Lakers get, they aren't going anywhere with LeBron on the team.
He hinders the teams growth.
If Lakers want to get better, they have to get rid of LeBron. |
Just curious, who’s growth is he hindering? |
The team as a unit, the style of play, the youth, ball movement, you name it.
Within the time we have had Bron in 6 seasons, Lakers have had 3 coaches, 7 different teams.
Now they are thinking about drafting Bronny?
We could blame the FO, but it's the politics of having LeBron.
They can not elevate with Bron on the team.
If he took a back seat, fine, but he still wants to be the man and show the world he still has it.
Lakers are still building around him, still building to benefit his window.
Lakers have to move on from Bron. |
The only thing that's sensible in this post of vibes, actually backed by evidence, is that we're building around LeBron's window urgently and that if you look at the NBA landscape, maybe that's not the best timing. But AD's also in his prime.
So if you wanna punt on the next 5 years while building up to...face Wemby in his prime? A still highly effective Jokic? Ant Edwards? You'll need a coherent plan for that that makes sense for everyone. Including by the way LeBron and AD's careers, the guys that got us a title and are the only players worth a damn outside of Reaves.
I'm not open to any deal that helps the Lakers, including trading LeBron, AD, or both. But there's no such move out there yet. Maybe something materializes this summer.
The main contention seems to be centered around Klutch having too much influence on the franchise. If you look at the rest of the Lakers braintrust objectively, you should be hoping Klutch has more influence given the alternative. If Klutch had more of an influence, maybe we would've closed on Ty Lue or signed Nick Nurse. The toxicity in the room is coming from the granny with the maladaptive attachment issues. |
My main contention is Bron on the team and it hurts Lakers overall elevation, that includes too much influence.
LeBron and his fanbase is who brings toxicity to Lakers.
Every deadline, players are being discussed to be traded because of catering to Bron and his window.
I think the Lakers would be better off without LeBron, unless he took a backseat.
But he won't because he is still trying to show the world he still got it. |
The Lakers moves aren't being catered to LeBron. All of the trades and FA acquisitions in Ham's tenure have gone through Ham (Prince, Reddish, Wood). Reports are that Pelinka and Ham are bunkered up during the draft and FA. LeBron's taken a backseat since the Westbrook fiasco. Some people like to lay that all on Klutch, but multiple reporters have come out saying that was something most people in the organization were onboard. A colossal error.
Since then, LeBron's arguably been more in the backseat than ever. No forcing the franchise to make moves, no throwing the coach under the bus.
The people bringing toxicity to the Lakers fanbase aren't his fans. They're his detractors. There isn't a single person on this board that stans LeBron, but there are multiple people on this board that actively root for his downfall under the guise of being "Laker fans first". In fact that's basically the bulk of the discourse on here these days, and it's no surprise that the board's most knowledgeable people left. AH and activeverb were the last two, if they were even two people to begin with. Now we have to deal with "closeted" trolls that think they're slick but are as predictable as a cheap bot farm. |
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| levon wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Ya'll think Kd is a bigger difference maker than he is when his last two stops in "big 3 no depth" land have failed miserably.
KD helps the team if he's just replacing LeBron.
KD does nothing for the team if he's replacing our Guards and depth, because then we just learn the lesson we just watched Phoenix learn. |
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Not at all. It's mainly about fit too, and not worrying about KD taking the ball out of anyones hands to iso for no reason when we have momentum.
If the Lakers have a coach that's running a system offense that utilizes a pick and roll and the off ball presence of the 3. It's not that LeBron CAN'T play that role, it's that he doesn't want to and will go stretches where he iso's and allows teams back into the game because he wants to play point guard.
KD isn't going to do that, and it's to the benefit of the team.
Durant this season averaged
27.1 PPG
6.6 RPG
5.0 APG
0.9 SPG
1.2 BPG
52.3% Field Goal
41.3 Three Pointer (on 5.4 a game)
85.6% Free Throw
Now you put him in an off-ball role, with an actual point guard as well as a center like Davis and you can see how the team operates. Let me show you.
Starters:
D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Kevin Durant
Rui Hachimura
Anthony Davis
Bench:
Spencer Dinwiddie(if he returns) Gabe Vincent(if not)
Max Christie
Taurean Prince(if he returns)
Jarred Vanderbilt
Christian Wood(if he returns) / Jaxson Hayes
You can also run a AD at the 4 and true center at the 5 lineup because you can count on KD to stretch the floor reliably and consistently.
Suddenly, you don't have possessions where the ball stands still because KD wants to hold it and play point guard.
Suddenly the paint is far more open for Davis because KD's offense isn't predicated on needing the paint open.
Suddenly the DLO/Anthony Davis pick and roll is even deadlier because no defender can cheat off KD off ball.
Suddenly KD being a threat from three means that it's either wide open, or Gordon has to stay out of the paint in order to defend KD from an open shot.
Suddenly you have KD whom is a capable defender still, to put on MPJ.
DLO and AD run the pick and roll, AD rolls to the basket, Gordon has to come up or stay, if he comes up, its a dish to a wide open Kevin Durant, if he stays then Davis is wide open in the paint. You also have DLO, Reaves, Rui to score in that scenario just in case.
And if you switch Rui to the bench and move Vando to the starters, then you have another defender, but the defense still can't relax because of the shooting of DLO, Reaves and KD in the starting lineup, and you have a defensive trio of Vando, KD and Davis at the basket.
See the vision now? 
It'll likely never happen though, but for the 5 out offense we were running, KD is a better fit than LeBron.
That said, we all want a true coach that's going to tell LeBron to take a backseat and take advantage of being off-ball while the real PG sets the table and allows him to take over when its time.
With KD, you don't have to ask him that... because that's what he wants anyway.
But hey... it's never gonna happen, right? So why worry about it..
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | levon wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Ya'll think Kd is a bigger difference maker than he is when his last two stops in "big 3 no depth" land have failed miserably.
KD helps the team if he's just replacing LeBron.
KD does nothing for the team if he's replacing our Guards and depth, because then we just learn the lesson we just watched Phoenix learn. |
The bolded is objectively a lie.
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Not at all. It's mainly about fit too, and not worrying about KD taking the ball out of anyones hands to iso for no reason when we have momentum.
If the Lakers have a coach that's running a system offense that utilizes a pick and roll and the off ball presence of the 3. It's not that LeBron CAN'T play that role, it's that he doesn't want to and will go stretches where he iso's and allows teams back into the game because he wants to play point guard.
KD isn't going to do that, and it's to the benefit of the team.
Durant this season averaged
27.1 PPG
6.6 RPG
5.0 APG
0.9 SPG
1.2 BPG
52.3% Field Goal
41.3 Three Pointer (on 5.4 a game)
85.6% Free Throw
Now you put him in an off-ball role, with an actual point guard as well as a center like Davis and you can see how the team operates. Let me show you.
Starters:
D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Kevin Durant
Rui Hachimura
Anthony Davis
Bench:
Spencer Dinwiddie(if he returns) Gabe Vincent(if not)
Max Christie
Taurean Prince(if he returns)
Jarred Vanderbilt
Christian Wood(if he returns) / Jaxson Hayes
You can also run a AD at the 4 and true center at the 5 lineup because you can count on KD to stretch the floor reliably and consistently.
Suddenly, you don't have possessions where the ball stands still because KD wants to hold it and play point guard.
Suddenly the paint is far more open for Davis because KD's offense isn't predicated on needing the paint open.
Suddenly the DLO/Anthony Davis pick and roll is even deadlier because no defender can cheat off KD off ball.
Suddenly KD being a threat from three means that it's either wide open, or Gordon has to stay out of the paint in order to defend KD from an open shot.
Suddenly you have KD whom is a capable defender still, to put on MPJ.
DLO and AD run the pick and roll, AD rolls to the basket, Gordon has to come up or stay, if he comes up, its a dish to a wide open Kevin Durant, if he stays then Davis is wide open in the paint. You also have DLO, Reaves, Rui to score in that scenario just in case.
And if you switch Rui to the bench and move Vando to the starters, then you have another defender, but the defense still can't relax because of the shooting of DLO, Reaves and KD in the starting lineup, and you have a defensive trio of Vando, KD and Davis at the basket.
See the vision now?
It'll likely never happen though, but for the 5 out offense we were running, KD is a better fit than LeBron.
That said, we all want a true coach that's going to tell LeBron to take a backseat and take advantage of being off-ball while the real PG sets the table and allows him to take over when its time.
With KD, you don't have to ask him that... because that's what he wants anyway.
But hey... it's never gonna happen, right? So why worry about it.. |
Appreciate the analysis, but again, LeBron had the same percentage from 3 on the same volume. You may argue you could scale KD's volume on this Lakers team, but one might wonder whether that's even advisable for KD at this stage. In their respective first round series, a four-years-older LeBron was still a tier above Durant.
Running ball screens is sexy for the regular season. It collapses in the postseason. In fact, we overran ball screens against Denver and it cost us. This is one of the major reasons DLo's game drops off in the playoffs: he can't beat ball pressure reliably without screens. That's why Reaves became our secondary ballhandler two playoffs in a row now.
Now, I'm a proponent of KD without sending LeBron out. I think a 3/4/5 of LeBron, KD, and AD is tantalizing with LeBron going Magic mode instead of Kobe (the vision he tried to sell to Kawhi). Depending on how Team USA goes, this may be a distant possibility given how much of a basketball hoe KD is. I wouldn't give up all 3 picks, but I'd do salary matching + 2 FRP + seconds and still have enough respectable depth.
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If the Lakers have even a 1% chance of winning a title with LeBron and AD, I'm still taking that over rebuilding.
LeBron and AD are playing too good for me to give up on them. The Lakers just have get better at building the team at all levels.
People just don't understand that rebuilding is what every team is doing most of the time. Most teams have had 1 champion core in their history. The 3rd most successful team of all time had ALL of their success with 1 core of players. These are teams with 50+ year histories.
The Nuggets have been around since 1967 and are just now experiencing their first success.
The Lakers were rebuilding not that long ago. They actually got really lucky in getting 3 #2 picks in a short amount of time. But, they got no stars in that time-frame. The best player they got was Brandon Ingram. With apologies to his fans, he's nowhere close to being a star to build around.
That's the reality of rebuilding. Lot's of uncertainty. You'll draft players and spend years developing them. And when they have a ceiling that's most likely not superstar-level, you move them and try again.
You guys are only thinking about the success stories. You never think about the time it takes to get there and the failures beforehand. |
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| LeBron is pushing 40, at some point reality has to set in. This isn’t about pro/anti LeBron partisanship. You have to know when to fold em. He can’t be the best player on a finals team any more. He was thoroughly outclassed by Jokic two consecutive playoffs now. Time to move on. |
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| Look at Knicks... They have so many dogs... We too Hollywood..too cute to go dirty work |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | Look at Knicks... They have so many dogs... We too Hollywood..too cute to go dirty work |
And as you see, they are just as prone to blow games.
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| MJST wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | Look at Knicks... They have so many dogs... We too Hollywood..too cute to go dirty work |
And as you see, they are just as prone to blow games. |
Haha I jinxed it 😂 |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | LeBron is pushing 40, at some point reality has to set in. This isn’t about pro/anti LeBron partisanship. You have to know when to fold em. He can’t be the best player on a finals team any more. He was thoroughly outclassed by Jokic two consecutive playoffs now. Time to move on. |
He’s not winning another ring in Lala land. But he FO seems content
with selling tickets.
The biggest kiss up is picking his son, a g-leaguer, in the draft. Can
they bend any further?
Smh
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Bobby Marks does a really good job breaking down our cap situation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s2oGhlQjD9w
Pelinka is going to have to pull off some magic for us. |
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kfkilla
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| deal wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | LeBron is pushing 40, at some point reality has to set in. This isn’t about pro/anti LeBron partisanship. You have to know when to fold em. He can’t be the best player on a finals team any more. He was thoroughly outclassed by Jokic two consecutive playoffs now. Time to move on. |
He’s not winning another ring in Lala land. But he FO seems content
with selling tickets.
The biggest kiss up is picking his son, a g-leaguer, in the draft. Can
they bend any further?
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It’s way beyond bending at this point. Jeanie has been pathetic since the Dwight “please stay” billboards in 2013 when Dr Buss died. She is a sorry. |
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Killer_Z
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| Japago wrote: | If the Lakers have even a 1% chance of winning a title with LeBron and AD, I'm still taking that over rebuilding.
LeBron and AD are playing too good for me to give up on them. The Lakers just have get better at building the team at all levels.
People just don't understand that rebuilding is what every team is doing most of the time. Most teams have had 1 champion core in their history. The 3rd most successful team of all time had ALL of their success with 1 core of players. These are teams with 50+ year histories.
The Nuggets have been around since 1967 and are just now experiencing their first success.
The Lakers were rebuilding not that long ago. They actually got really lucky in getting 3 #2 picks in a short amount of time. But, they got no stars in that time-frame. The best player they got was Brandon Ingram. With apologies to his fans, he's nowhere close to being a star to build around.
That's the reality of rebuilding. Lot's of uncertainty. You'll draft players and spend years developing them. And when they have a ceiling that's most likely not superstar-level, you move them and try again.
You guys are only thinking about the success stories. You never think about the time it takes to get there and the failures beforehand. |
Fantastic post. |
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| Japago wrote: | | If the Lakers have even a 1% chance of winning a title with LeBron and AD, I'm still taking that over rebuilding. |
That 1% chance is if every team loses their best player to injury, circa Phoenix in 2021 — coincidentally the same team that blew us out in the first round. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | If the Lakers have even a 1% chance of winning a title with LeBron and AD, I'm still taking that over rebuilding. |
That 1% chance is if every team loses their best player to injury |
Or if we just remain healthy.
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Having Vando miss the majority of the season isn't healthy.
Losing Christian Wood isn't healthy.
Having Vincent miss the majority of the year till the final few games isn't healthy.
And all 3 could be impact players for a weak bench or difference makers when asked to guard MPJ (which Rui couldn't).
It's the little things tbh.
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