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anth2000
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Was really disappointed with our players outside of Davis/Lebron/Reaves.
Rui was MIA!
Prince/Gabe/Dinwiddie = Equate to a sub-par guard off the bench.
We had no backup center or backup power forward. Hayes was good at times, I like him as a back up/backup, but not your first center off the bench.
I think mostly, we need to address perimeter defense. We were terrible at it all year. Too many open 3's this series. Is that a Ham issue or a player-type issue? |
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Reds622
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If Vincent is making shots.. incredibly valuable player.
Unfortunately, he just wasn’t. I’m not sure if it was due to the long layoff.. but he just wasn’t a reliable shooter.
Hopefully he comes back next season and his shot starts falling. If it is, I think he can be the starting point guard if you need to move pieces for other roster spots.
If he’s not hitting shots then he becomes a 6th or 7th guy. |
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Bron2AD
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| anth2000 wrote: | Was really disappointed with our players outside of Davis/Lebron/Reaves.
Rui was MIA!
Prince/Gabe/Dinwiddie = Equate to a sub-par guard off the bench.
We had no backup center or backup power forward. Hayes was good at times, I like him as a back up/backup, but not your first center off the bench.
I think mostly, we need to address perimeter defense. We were terrible at it all year. Too many open 3's this series. Is that a Ham issue or a player-type issue? |
the backcourt of DLO/AR just doesnt work on the defensive end. |
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daytripper
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After watching the Denver series I don't think they are as far off as I initially thought.
My offseason:
1. Draft a center at 17
2. Sign a perimeter defender in FA. Kris Dunn is one of the best guard defenders in the league and also big enough to defend small wings.
3. Use remaining assets to trade for a backcourt scoring option who can supply a dependable 20 PPG |
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anth2000
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Was really disappointed with our players outside of Davis/Lebron/Reaves.
Rui was MIA!
Prince/Gabe/Dinwiddie = Equate to a sub-par guard off the bench.
We had no backup center or backup power forward. Hayes was good at times, I like him as a back up/backup, but not your first center off the bench.
I think mostly, we need to address perimeter defense. We were terrible at it all year. Too many open 3's this series. Is that a Ham issue or a player-type issue? |
the backcourt of DLO/AR just doesnt work on the defensive end. |
Totally agree. I just read a lot of Trae Young chatter and sure, he does give you lots of offense and he's an amazing passer, but at what cost? He will get killed defensively. Not sure what the Lakers can do in the offseason but they need to get bigger and better perimeter defensively.... |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| daytripper wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | daytripper wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | need a bruising center in the mold of Zubac, Harkenstein and Jonas Valančiūnas. this team lacks physicality in a big way. can't have AD wasting his energy and precious healthy days on banging with other teams' centers down on the block. AD is at his best guard the PF and then roaming on help defense. |
Agreed and I'm taking Edey with #17 assuming the Pels do the smart thing and wait until the better draft in '25 to convey the owed AD pick.
I'm fine if they buy a SRP to take Bronny but I'm out on this team if they waste the #17 to appease James when there should be a few legit center prospects on the board. |
in a weak draft like this year, i don't think Edey will be there at 17. |
I was looking at the tankathon mock. Between Clingan, Missi, and Edey one of them should be there. I think Clingan is the one that will most likely be off the board. |
Ware should be mentioned as a 1st round option. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | This series proved Trae young won’t be the answer. He’s too small and would get locked up. Only good thing with Trae is he’d be able to get to the free throw line but once refs stop calling them, he’d be useless  |
So you think Denver wouldn’t need to adjustment their game plan for Trae young? He is a great play maker and a good shooter, he probably would foul out Jokic or Gordon without shooting well |
How many people has Trey young fouled out this season? Lol. Beu he was going to foul out the MVP or a great defensive player? He wouldn't have |
I don’t know, but he averages 7-8 FT a game. How many times we failed to get the 3rd foul on Jokic in the first?
My first choice is Spida, but people need to stop acting like Trae young is westbrick or something, he is a super star. |
The Llakers shot the most free throws in the NBA by a wide margin and they weren't making people foul out, let alone stars. Tre Young isn't Super star. Lmao 3 all star trams and 1 All NBA 3rd team 2 years ago. Career 43% FG and 35% from 3. |
He is 25, so even if you don’t think he is a super star now, he is close and obviously better than everyone we have on the roster outside of LBJ and AD, and by the way, the lakers didn’t shot the most free throws in the league, they were 2nd and difference in top 10 is less than 1 per game. What you are referring is free throw differential per game since we give up the fewest free throws.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/free-throws-attempted-per-game |
Either way, Trey isn't it. If we get him we get him. He isn't going to make a difference because we would have to send out 3 or 4 useful players and replace them on the minimum and also have to depend on the health of AD and Lebron again. They aren't likely to play 70 plus games each again.
Lakers probably don't compete anymore until after Lebron is retired and they start to rebuild either through the draft or attracting a young star.
I just read the Lakers are willing to give LeBron a 3 year deal and draft Bronny. Lol. I don't trust the front office and ownership to take contending seriously. They are interested in maximizing profits from the last years of Lebron.
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PinoyLBJFan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:55 am Post subject: What the Lakers really need is legit center |
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| Instead of Dinwedi a legit center is what the lakers really need. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Don't need a new thread for this. Put in the free agency thread. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Best path forward is probably keep what we have, keep DLO at a pay bump and keep our picks. If we are a decent team at the deadline and have health with AD and Lebron, go ahead and trade for a star.
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waterman40
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This year was pretty much last year over again; we lose when we play against Denver - maybe a closer matchup with Minny or OKC, but Denver we are not ready for.
Davis played his most games with the Lakers, same for Lebron - so where last year they missed a bunch and DLO took over, this year significant role players were injured for the season including Woods, Vincent, and Vandy. The lack of good bench is what killed us this time against Denver.
But last year and this year, we lost to the better team.
We need a good backup center, better offensive punch off the bench and consistent defensive effort. Ham may get let go, I wouldn't be surprised if he is fired. I can't see Lebron walking away from $51 million with his player option, probably his last year with us next year, but who knows.
What DLO decided to do is a big consideration - will someone else pay him more than $20 million next and give him a multi-year deal? Will Dinwiddie stay to become the new PG?
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zambia
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Stay the F away from Trae, we got killed by Denver’s size and some of you wanna go even smaller lol. |
Trae is the perfect fit for AD and the Lakers. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| zambia wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | Stay the F away from Trae, we got killed by Denver’s size and some of you wanna go even smaller lol. |
Trae is the perfect fit for AD and the Lakers. |
Tre
Ad
Lebron
Who else is in the team and how many games do AD and Lebron play next season? They won't be in the 70 plus range again
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miggz23
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Drummond will be available |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Drummond will be available |
He isn't the answer. We saw it 1st hand. UT people have a short memory. He isn't a good defensive guy. He can rebound well, but that was about it.
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| Sign Moses Brown to a vet min. deal. The kid can rebound if given minutes. |
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miggz23
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You would think people wanting Trae Young would have learned anything from the Westbrook/DLO fiasco…
1. Rather keep DLO and upgrade other position.
2. Try to find away to get under the 1st apron and offer the fmle to Klay Thompson.
3. Sign Drummond
4. Resign MaxC
5. Trade Gabe+pick for Caruso
DLO/Caruso/JHS
Klay/AR
Vando/MaxC
Lebron/Rui/Wood
AD/Drummond/Hayes |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | You would think people wanting Trae Young would have learned anything from the Westbrook/DLO fiasco…
1. Rather keep DLO and upgrade other position.
2. Try to find away to get under the 1st apron and offer the fmle to Klay Thompson.
3. Sign Drummond
4. Resign MaxC
5. Trade Gabe+pick for Caruso
DLO/Caruso/JHS
Klay/AR
Vando/MaxC
Lebron/Rui/Wood
AD/Drummond/Hayes |
Agree with the approach but Klay is going to get 3/$60M type deal from GS |
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RusselDoeee01
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| With Bron and AD, we realistically cant afford anyone but the dinwiddies of the NBA |
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av3773
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure young is "that guy" for what it would take to get him or at least reported rui, ar and all of our 1sts, plus whatever else.....that's a ton. |
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| zambia wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | Stay the F away from Trae, we got killed by Denver’s size and some of you wanna go even smaller lol. |
Trae is the perfect fit for AD and the Lakers. |
On offense…but with the matchup hunting that would happen on defense in the playoffs….no thanks. We’d be giving up even more open threes cuz wed be scrambling to help Trae |
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Can Vando play with Trae (assuming front court is Rui/Wood-Bron-AD? Can’t see Trae pairing with Gabe/DLo/AR (too small or too slow)
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| governator wrote: | | Can Vando play with Trae (assuming front court is Rui/Wood-Bron-AD? Can’t see Trae pairing with Gabe/DLo/AR (too small or too slow) |
I’m not sure I’m sold on Vando as other people…. He is very limited offensively |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Don't need a new thread for this. Put in the free agency thread. |
Good idea... merging... |
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