^^^ That's it in a nutshell. We lost so many assets last summer that our best (and probably only) shot is to buy low on Kyrie which doesn't appear to be on the table. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
I wonder how long you can take to fulfill "future draft considerations". You see it mentioned all the time in trades but it ends up being marginal picks. Could they complete a trade now under that guise but then convey the 2023 pick on 7/1 to finally fulfill that obligation? Or is it just so obvious that the league would step in and no trade partner would want to assume that risk?
Laker's fan wrote because teams cannot convey picks beyond 7 years, if 2027 first round pick or 2029 first round pick include protections, then those picks may extinguish or convert to second round picks.
Actually when you think about the fact that there is a good chance AD and Thomas Bryant can go down at any point with a significant injury during the season, Poeltl would a very nice insurance, so yeah it all depends rather the Spurs value WB’s expiring contract and aren’t gonna let bitterness get in the way.
Jakob Poeltl would be the starter. Not an insurance policy.
Actually when you think about the fact that there is a good chance AD and Thomas Bryant can go down at any point with a significant injury during the season, Poeltl would a very nice insurance, so yeah it all depends rather the Spurs value WB’s expiring contract and aren’t gonna let bitterness get in the way.
Jakob Poeltl would be the starter. Not an insurance policy.
Actually when you think about the fact that there is a good chance AD and Thomas Bryant can go down at any point with a significant injury during the season, Poeltl would a very nice insurance, so yeah it all depends rather the Spurs value WB’s expiring contract and aren’t gonna let bitterness get in the way.
Jakob Poeltl would be the starter. Not an insurance policy.
What do you talk to yourself about every day on this thread about? You quote fans of other teams, YouTube videos, one time told me Josh Jackson could shoot 3s because you saw him make a lot on a video. Get a hold of yourself . Lol
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@AH: Gotcha…well here’s more from Stein. Seems like his sources are corroborating what Buha/TheAthletic reported earlier.
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“L.A. has nonetheless pledged to James that it will indeed continue to aggressively pursue upgrades,” wrote NBA reporter Marc Stein on his substack. “League sources say James, in fact, has been assured that the Lakers are willing to trade both of their available future first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 if a trade that costs them both picks can realistically position the Lakers to return to contender status.”
Over time, I've gotten more and more skeptical about Stein. Is he saying anything here that isn't just an aggregation of reports from other people? I am at the point where I'm not convinced that he has any sources. Seriously, if he calls Woj, Haynes, and Buha "league sources," he could write this stuff based on their reports.
This is NOT intended as a criticism of you or any of the other posters who quote Stein's reports. Right now, we have an information void, and we're all looking for hints. I've just gotten suspicious about Stein. He still has some lingering credibility in the media because of his time at ESPN and the NYT. However, his pieces remind me of writing reports for school based on articles in encyclopedias. (Those of you who are younger will have some equivalent, whether it's Wikipedia or whatever.) It was about taking information from another source and trying to make it sound like you knew what you were talking about. In the case of Stein, he tosses in his own spin in places, but it seems like he never has any original information. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
How do you know the Lakers could have landed Irving by giving up 2 1st round picks? It’s been said since the beginning that the Lakers would need to find a 3rd team to help facilitate a Irving trade.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
How do you know the Lakers could have landed Irving by giving up 2 1st round picks? It’s been said since the beginning that the Lakers would need to find a 3rd team to help facilitate a Irving trade.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
It’s also been reported that the Nets won’t trade Irving until the KD situation is resolved.
Regarding Charlotte, it's true that Bridges changed their entire calculus around dumping money. But I'm wondering if there's another side to that coin, which is that Bridges is likely going to be barred from the league and Charlotte is going to lose a young star-ish player for basically nothing. Maybe that actually does incentivize them to tank to pair LaMelo with someone.
I don't know abut the Hornets...but Wembaya is definitely worth tanking an entire season...it's not even debatable....If a team sucks right now....it's worth going full tank for this kid. Maybe that's the team that ends up with Russ.
Westbrook is good enough to pile up wins in the regular season by himself, Hornets would need to buy out Westbrook if there all in on Wembaya
You know it's funny you say that...because it's true....18, 7 and 7.....Russ can help certain teams....the problem here is Russ and Bron are horrific together. They both need the ball....neither one is really a good shooter although Bron is much better. But they're way to similar and they both play their best when they have shooters around them...but together they're god awful. Russ, like you said on the right team can help get W's.
That’s 100% true, Westbrook is a talented player but granted a knucklehead as well but if the Hornets are sending us guys like Rozier and Washington he will have the full focal point offense on him along with LaMelo.
Regarding Charlotte, it's true that Bridges changed their entire calculus around dumping money. But I'm wondering if there's another side to that coin, which is that Bridges is likely going to be barred from the league and Charlotte is going to lose a young star-ish player for basically nothing. Maybe that actually does incentivize them to tank to pair LaMelo with someone.
I don't know abut the Hornets...but Wembaya is definitely worth tanking an entire season...it's not even debatable....If a team sucks right now....it's worth going full tank for this kid. Maybe that's the team that ends up with Russ.
Westbrook is good enough to pile up wins in the regular season by himself, Hornets would need to buy out Westbrook if there all in on Wembaya
You know it's funny you say that...because it's true....18, 7 and 7.....Russ can help certain teams....the problem here is Russ and Bron are horrific together. They both need the ball....neither one is really a good shooter although Bron is much better. But they're way to similar and they both play their best when they have shooters around them...but together they're god awful. Russ, like you said on the right team can help get W's.
That’s 100% true, Westbrook is a talented player but granted a knucklehead as well but if the Hornets are sending us guys like Rozier and Washington he will have the full focal point offense on him along with LaMelo.
Westbrook is not a knucklehead.
In a way, yes he is in terms of how he handles himself, Irving is also a knucklehead it’s not a knock on a player.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
How do you know the Lakers could have landed Irving by giving up 2 1st round picks? It’s been said since the beginning that the Lakers would need to find a 3rd team to help facilitate a Irving trade.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
I wonder how long you can take to fulfill "future draft considerations". You see it mentioned all the time in trades but it ends up being marginal picks. Could they complete a trade now under that guise but then convey the 2023 pick on 7/1 to finally fulfill that obligation? Or is it just so obvious that the league would step in and no trade partner would want to assume that risk?
Laker's fan wrote because teams cannot convey picks beyond 7 years, if 2027 first round pick or 2029 first round pick include protections, then those picks may extinguish or convert to second round picks.
It is a bit more complicated than you think.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with my suggestion though I admit it's not clear. Here's an explanation I found that pertains to the NHL but I almost swear it's been done in the NBA as well:
So my question is whether we can sweeten a trade pot with "future draft considerations" but verbally agree beforehand that we would send them whichever 2023 pick we end up after it is eligible to be traded.
One scenario laid out by V is that we incentivize NO to free up our 2024 pick and then commit to take our 2025 pick. With Lebron now extended to at least 2024, it now seems less likely that our 2024 pick will be a high one.
The other scenario, which I had alluded to, would be that we make the 2023 pick for our trade partner and then trade it afterwards when it is no longer subject to the future picks limitations dictated by the Stepien rule.
So in effect, we could offer 3 FRPs in a trade. Again, I have no idea if this would be legal under CBA. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
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Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
How do you know the Lakers could have landed Irving by giving up 2 1st round picks? It’s been said since the beginning that the Lakers would need to find a 3rd team to help facilitate a Irving trade.
Regarding Charlotte, it's true that Bridges changed their entire calculus around dumping money. But I'm wondering if there's another side to that coin, which is that Bridges is likely going to be barred from the league and Charlotte is going to lose a young star-ish player for basically nothing. Maybe that actually does incentivize them to tank to pair LaMelo with someone.
I don't know abut the Hornets...but Wembaya is definitely worth tanking an entire season...it's not even debatable....If a team sucks right now....it's worth going full tank for this kid. Maybe that's the team that ends up with Russ.
Westbrook is good enough to pile up wins in the regular season by himself, Hornets would need to buy out Westbrook if there all in on Wembaya
You know it's funny you say that...because it's true....18, 7 and 7.....Russ can help certain teams....the problem here is Russ and Bron are horrific together. They both need the ball....neither one is really a good shooter although Bron is much better. But they're way to similar and they both play their best when they have shooters around them...but together they're god awful. Russ, like you said on the right team can help get W's.
That’s 100% true, Westbrook is a talented player but granted a knucklehead as well but if the Hornets are sending us guys like Rozier and Washington he will have the full focal point offense on him along with LaMelo.
Westbrook is not a knucklehead.
In a way, yes he is in terms of how he handles himself, Irving is also a knucklehead it’s not a knock on a player.
Sounds like Kyrie and the Nets had a change of heart.
Late June/Early July a few reporters stated the trade would've been completed if we was willing to give up 2 first rounders but Pelinka got cute with the whole leverage/bidding against ourselves game.
How do you know the Lakers could have landed Irving by giving up 2 1st round picks? It’s been said since the beginning that the Lakers would need to find a 3rd team to help facilitate a Irving trade.
Regarding Charlotte, it's true that Bridges changed their entire calculus around dumping money. But I'm wondering if there's another side to that coin, which is that Bridges is likely going to be barred from the league and Charlotte is going to lose a young star-ish player for basically nothing. Maybe that actually does incentivize them to tank to pair LaMelo with someone.
I don't know abut the Hornets...but Wembaya is definitely worth tanking an entire season...it's not even debatable....If a team sucks right now....it's worth going full tank for this kid. Maybe that's the team that ends up with Russ.
Westbrook is good enough to pile up wins in the regular season by himself, Hornets would need to buy out Westbrook if there all in on Wembaya
You know it's funny you say that...because it's true....18, 7 and 7.....Russ can help certain teams....the problem here is Russ and Bron are horrific together. They both need the ball....neither one is really a good shooter although Bron is much better. But they're way to similar and they both play their best when they have shooters around them...but together they're god awful. Russ, like you said on the right team can help get W's.
That’s 100% true, Westbrook is a talented player but granted a knucklehead as well but if the Hornets are sending us guys like Rozier and Washington he will have the full focal point offense on him along with LaMelo.
Westbrook is not a knucklehead.
In a way, yes he is in terms of how he handles himself, Irving is also a knucklehead it’s not a knock on a player.
How he handles himself, give me five examples.
Does this need to be explained?
He has a different personality that sometimes doesn’t connect with how the fans feel, the same thing with Irving these guys might say something during a press conference that makes you shake your head.
Regarding Charlotte, it's true that Bridges changed their entire calculus around dumping money. But I'm wondering if there's another side to that coin, which is that Bridges is likely going to be barred from the league and Charlotte is going to lose a young star-ish player for basically nothing. Maybe that actually does incentivize them to tank to pair LaMelo with someone.
I don't know abut the Hornets...but Wembaya is definitely worth tanking an entire season...it's not even debatable....If a team sucks right now....it's worth going full tank for this kid. Maybe that's the team that ends up with Russ.
Westbrook is good enough to pile up wins in the regular season by himself, Hornets would need to buy out Westbrook if there all in on Wembaya
You know it's funny you say that...because it's true....18, 7 and 7.....Russ can help certain teams....the problem here is Russ and Bron are horrific together. They both need the ball....neither one is really a good shooter although Bron is much better. But they're way to similar and they both play their best when they have shooters around them...but together they're god awful. Russ, like you said on the right team can help get W's.
That’s 100% true, Westbrook is a talented player but granted a knucklehead as well but if the Hornets are sending us guys like Rozier and Washington he will have the full focal point offense on him along with LaMelo.
Westbrook is not a knucklehead.
In a way, yes he is in terms of how he handles himself, Irving is also a knucklehead it’s not a knock on a player.
How he handles himself, give me five examples.
Does this need to be explained?
He has a different personality that sometimes doesn’t connect with how the fans feel, the same thing with Irving these guys might say something during a press conference that makes you shake your head.
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Nobody was going to give him an extension and the Lakers were already stuck with him
When asked if he could help develop the 2nd team sometimes etc
NOPE.. I've earned the right to demand I start
Then fires agent who got him the insane contract in the first place
Doesn't play defense
Hits the side of the backboard with airballs
Believes he is better than he is
Some of the worst turnovers ever last year
I wonder how long you can take to fulfill "future draft considerations". You see it mentioned all the time in trades but it ends up being marginal picks. Could they complete a trade now under that guise but then convey the 2023 pick on 7/1 to finally fulfill that obligation? Or is it just so obvious that the league would step in and no trade partner would want to assume that risk?
Laker's fan wrote because teams cannot convey picks beyond 7 years, if 2027 first round pick or 2029 first round pick include protections, then those picks may extinguish or convert to second round picks.
It is a bit more complicated than you think.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with my suggestion though I admit it's not clear. Here's an explanation I found that pertains to the NHL but I almost swear it's been done in the NBA as well:
So my question is whether we can sweeten a trade pot with "future draft considerations" but verbally agree beforehand that we would send them whichever 2023 pick we end up after it is eligible to be traded.
One scenario laid out by V is that we incentivize NO to free up our 2024 pick and then commit to take our 2025 pick. With Lebron now extended to at least 2024, it now seems less likely that our 2024 pick will be a high one.
The other scenario, which I had alluded to, would be that we make the 2023 pick for our trade partner and then trade it afterwards when it is no longer subject to the future picks limitations dictated by the Stepien rule.
So in effect, we could offer 3 FRPs in a trade. Again, I have no idea if this would be legal under CBA.
@G: that would be ideal, wouldn’t it? I hope to gawd our FO learns from this. Get Da F outta talks that have our opps demanding Deferment options to our draft capital. Never again!
But, you’re obviously aware of simultaneous (ie salary aggregated)/non-simultaneous (TPE inducing) trades in the NBA. So you’re absolutely right that a trade made now can officially be finalized at a later date (up to 1 year of TPE credit to redeem in a non-simultaneous trade)….however when it comes to trading draft capital, you have to specify on the official trade call when that draft compensation can convey till).
I believe the Stepien rule will block our ability to outright trade our 2023 1st since it would be a retroactive condition that needs to be met for it to actually convey (ie NO must defer 2024 1st to 2025 1st for the 2023 1st to convey to new team AFTER NO makes their pick swap.) The only possibility can see is that we can place a condition on our 2023 1st where we can have NO agree to a deadline of sorts on that deferment option: when they decide on the 2023 swap option, they must also select at that time to make a choice on the deferment of the 2024 1st. Maybe we can incentivize them with 1-2 future 2nd rounders and/or cash.
I do believe it’s possible to place a condition on our 2026 1st, where it will convey to the new team if NO decides to keep our 2024 1st…however if they defer to our 2025 1st, our 2027 1st will convey instead to the new team. Since those conditions are AFTER a choice is made by NO, those conditions are legal to include now.
I hope I didn’t make that sound too confusing, my guy haha.
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Coon FAQ:
Other rules that pertain to trading draft picks:
Teams cannot trade future picks not already in their possession.
A team can add protection to a pick it acquires in trade, as long as they received the pick as an unconditional pick.
Teams cannot subsequently acquire picks to change the "first allowable draft" per the Stepien rule.
Any or all teams in a trade may be granted the one-time option to defer the conveyance or receipt of a pick for one year (only).
The deferment is subject to the Seven Year Rule. A pick in the seventh year following a trade cannot be deferred.
Except for pick protection and the one-time option to defer the conveyance of a pick as described above, trades must specify the precise year in which a pick is to be conveyed. The year of any alternative consideration must also be specified.
A traded draft pick cannot have protection based on draft position and a one-time option to defer.
Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they already own another team's unconditional first round pick in one of those years.
A team cannot sign its draft pick and immediately trade the player in a sign-and-trade arrangement.
A pick cannot be traded on the day of the draft before the pick is made.
Lottery picks cannot be traded from 6:00 PM on the day before the draft lottery until the lottery is complete.
@AH: I personally don’t mind Stein, but I understand where you’re coming from. KD called 🧢 on Stein’s unnamed sources during that whole retirement rumor. Even if KD didn’t come out and say it, even I had a hard time believing Kev would go that route if he didn’t get his way from Tsai/BK. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Nobody was going to give him an extension and the Lakers were already stuck with him
When asked if he could help develop the 2nd team sometimes etc
NOPE.. I've earned the right to demand I start
Then fires agent who got him the insane contract in the first place
Doesn't play defense
Hits the side of the backboard with airballs
Believes he is better than he is
Some of the worst turnovers ever last year
When did fans start caring about a player firing their agent.
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