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| Quote: | | The Phoenix Suns have promoted general manager James Jones to President of Basketball Operations. |
Much deserved. Phoenix was a clown org before he got there. |
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| For those that say we need a wing, that's not exactly right. Wings are SGs and SFs.... we specifically need more (defensive) Forwards: SFs and PFs. Settling for "wings" implies we can simply add yet another shooting guard (which are 6'6" or smaller) and be good to go, but that is not true. |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | Quote: | | There is belief shared by leaders in the Lakers’ locker room, sources said, that the team is only a couple of players away from turning this group into a legitimate contender. But acquiring the right players could take multiple trades. – via Dave McMenamin @ ESPN |
We beat the Spurs a couple times. How about them picks. Never mind the injury report or the record. Promise, we’re right there.  |
I'm actually leaning towards thinking we're a wing away from contending.
Of course if the team stays intact health wise. |
they need a wing and a big |
AGREED they need a big and 2 shooters w/ one of them being a good sized wing. It's so obvious to see.
If they go and blow their entire load on another overpaid 3rd "star" I'm really going to lose it. |
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With the emergence of Sims and Isaiah Hartenstein not happy in New York, Can we do a trade of Isaiah Hartenstein, Cam and Fournier for Westbrook?
has to be done after Dec 15th |
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D’Aaron Fox signed with Klutch today. Not sure if posted already.
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| RI Laker wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | How much max we can pay walker?
Reeves? |
With his early bird rights, I think we can pay Reeves the average NBA salary, which is equivalent to the mle, or about 12 million a year.
Since we have no rights to Walker, we can give him a small raise to about 7 million a year |
Just curious. Would there be an advantage to a team in regards to resigning Walker next season if they traded for him this year? |
Nope. They acquire his nonbird rights, which is 120% of his current annual aka 7.8m (if cap strapped) and if they have cap space, they can sign him up to his max (being a 6yr vet next season) of 25% of the cap aka 34m.
As for Reaves & to elaborate a bit on what @AV already stated, I’m just going to regurg this from Austin’s thread…
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Since dude is a RFA, we can match any offer using the Gilbert Arenas provision…however if dude gets a ridiculous offer from another team, by matching it, the deal creates a poison pill contract situation. For example, if a team offers him his true max (ie 25% max of 34m per for 4yrs), we could use his early bird exception (non hard cap route) or the ntpMLE (hard cap route) to match the offer. However it would lead to a contract structure as such:
Yr1: 11.6m
Yr2: 12.2m
Yr3: 54.9m
Yr4: 57.3m
= 4yr/136m aka poison pill contract
But here’s the thing, we actually have cap space next summer and could open up 34m in room to actually match the offer sheet without using the Gilbert Arenas provision and in effect avoid loading our cap sheet with a poison pill contract.
And need say, no team submits an offer, we can keep Reaves at his early bird rate of ~12.5m as a capped out team OR offer him up to his max of 34m per as a cap space team.
As for the “starter criteria” involving his qualifying offer/caphold next summer impacting our available cap space:
As of now, he only counts as 2.1m on our books next summer, but if dude starts in at least 41 games or plays at least 2000 minutes, his caphold gets bumped up by meeting “starter criteria” aka ~6.2m caphold.
Right now, dude has started in 5 game and played 386mins total. With Russ heading to the bench until a trade for him is executed, Reaves is looking to go into that starter territory. If that’s the case, expect roughly 4m cutting into our potential space next summer.
Also, starter criteria is based off regular season stats and not the postseason.
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| epak wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | Quote: | | There is belief shared by leaders in the Lakers’ locker room, sources said, that the team is only a couple of players away from turning this group into a legitimate contender. But acquiring the right players could take multiple trades. – via Dave McMenamin @ ESPN |
We beat the Spurs a couple times. How about them picks. Never mind the injury report or the record. Promise, we’re right there. |
I'm actually leaning towards thinking we're a wing away from contending.
Of course if the team stays intact health wise. |
they need a wing and a big |
I think the worse case scenario of AD, Bryant, LeBron and Gabriel can hang in the playoffs. But I'm not opposed to upgrading at that position if possible. |
No they can’t….every time AD takes a breather it’s a lay up drill for the other team. We’re lucky Poeltl got hurt the other night or we would’ve probably lost. We need another defensive big if we want to contend along with a wing. |
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| What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | As for the “starter criteria” involving his qualifying offer/caphold next summer impacting our available cap space:
As of now, he only counts as 2.1m on our books next summer, but if dude starts in at least 41 games or plays at least 2000 minutes, his caphold gets bumped up by meeting “starter criteria” aka ~6.2m caphold.
Right now, dude has started in 5 game and played 386mins total. With Russ heading to the bench until a trade for him is executed, Reaves is looking to go into that starter territory. If that’s the case, expect roughly 4m cutting into our potential space next summer. |
He's on pace for about 2300 minutes as of now. I think what you're saying is that his cap hold would reduce our available cap space to sign outside free agents, though we could still sign him with his Early Bird rights later on. I'm not concerned about the poison pill scenario. If he gets an offer for more than the midlevel, we should just get to work on the tribute video for his next visit to LA.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
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| defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
No suffering. It's gonna be a great season.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | How much max we can pay walker?
Reeves? |
With his early bird rights, I think we can pay Reeves the average NBA salary, which is equivalent to the mle, or about 12 million a year.
Since we have no rights to Walker, we can give him a small raise to about 7 million a year |
Just curious. Would there be an advantage to a team in regards to resigning Walker next season if they traded for him this year? |
Nope. They acquire his nonbird rights, which is 120% of his current annual aka 7.8m (if cap strapped) and if they have cap space, they can sign him up to his max (being a 6yr vet next season) of 25% of the cap aka 34m.
As for Reaves & to elaborate a bit on what @AV already stated, I’m just going to regurg this from Austin’s thread…
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Since dude is a RFA, we can match any offer using the Gilbert Arenas provision…however if dude gets a ridiculous offer from another team, by matching it, the deal creates a poison pill contract situation. For example, if a team offers him his true max (ie 25% max of 34m per for 4yrs), we could use his early bird exception (non hard cap route) or the ntpMLE (hard cap route) to match the offer. However it would lead to a contract structure as such:
Yr1: 11.6m
Yr2: 12.2m
Yr3: 54.9m
Yr4: 57.3m
= 4yr/136m aka poison pill contract
But here’s the thing, we actually have cap space next summer and could open up 34m in room to actually match the offer sheet without using the Gilbert Arenas provision and in effect avoid loading our cap sheet with a poison pill contract.
And need say, no team submits an offer, we can keep Reaves at his early bird rate of ~12.5m as a capped out team OR offer him up to his max of 34m per as a cap space team.
As for the “starter criteria” involving his qualifying offer/caphold next summer impacting our available cap space:
As of now, he only counts as 2.1m on our books next summer, but if dude starts in at least 41 games or plays at least 2000 minutes, his caphold gets bumped up by meeting “starter criteria” aka ~6.2m caphold.
Right now, dude has started in 5 game and played 386mins total. With Russ heading to the bench until a trade for him is executed, Reaves is looking to go into that starter territory. If that’s the case, expect roughly 4m cutting into our potential space next summer.
Also, starter criteria is based off regular season stats and not the postseason.
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Thanks V! I wouldn't mind offing Walker and getting something for him since we could lose him after this season. It seems like we have a better chance of keeping AR (I would pick him out of the 2). Hopefully, we keep his minutes down. Thanks for the explanation! |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
No suffering. It's gonna be a great season. |
Well, I have had enough suffering and we are not even 20 games in, so here is hoping you are correct.
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Knowing Rob and Jeanie’s track record, on or around December 15th, McMenamin will “break” news that the Lakers will be waiting until the trade deadline before making trades.
They are dangling a carrot we will never reach just to keep us watching. The suffering will continue all year.
This is life when you have the worst front office in all of professional basketball. |
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| rock0100 wrote: | Knowing Rob and Jeanie’s track record, on or around December 15th, McMenamin will “break” news that the Lakers will be waiting until the trade deadline before making trades.
They are dangling a carrot we will never reach just to keep us watching. The suffering will continue all year.
This is life when you have the worst front office in all of professional basketball. |
By Dec 15 we'll have played:
Pacers
Blazers
Bucks
Wizards
Cavs
Raptors
76ers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets (16th)
Wizards (18th)
Suns (19th)
Kings (21st)
Hornets (23rd)
Mavs (25th)
I would think by the 15th, we would know if the Lakers are legit or not. The question is, what would the Lakers have to look like for the team to make a trade? If we're just going by record, what would their record have to be to make a trade? And what would the trade entail?
What would a trade look like if they're under .500? Do they make a trade at all?
At near .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade?
Over .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade? Or stand pat?
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| epic_ wrote: | | rock0100 wrote: | Knowing Rob and Jeanie’s track record, on or around December 15th, McMenamin will “break” news that the Lakers will be waiting until the trade deadline before making trades.
They are dangling a carrot we will never reach just to keep us watching. The suffering will continue all year.
This is life when you have the worst front office in all of professional basketball. |
By Dec 15 we'll have played:
Pacers
Blazers
Bucks
Wizards
Cavs
Raptors
76ers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets (16th)
Wizards (18th)
Suns (19th)
Kings (21st)
Hornets (23rd)
Mavs (25th)
I would think by the 15th, we would know if the Lakers are legit or not. The question is, what would the Lakers have to look like for the team to make a trade? If we're just going by record, what would their record have to be to make a trade? And what would the trade entail?
What would a trade look like if they're under .500? Do they make a trade at all?
At near .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade?
Over .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade? Or stand pat? |
No blow it up scenario? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
Hmmm, suffering?
We have two of the best players in the league on the same team, is that suffering?
Have you been watching? |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
Hmmm, suffering?
We have two of the best players in the league on the same team, is that suffering?
Have you been watching? |
We are 7-11. I have not been enjoying watching us get this record. We have 1 of the best players in the league... maybe top 10. Lebron is past his prime and not top 10 to me. I look at the big picture. We have three players being paid like top 5 players but only one is maybe living up to his salary. For me, going 7-11 is nothing to be excited about. This is a bad team. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | rock0100 wrote: | Knowing Rob and Jeanie’s track record, on or around December 15th, McMenamin will “break” news that the Lakers will be waiting until the trade deadline before making trades.
They are dangling a carrot we will never reach just to keep us watching. The suffering will continue all year.
This is life when you have the worst front office in all of professional basketball. |
By Dec 15 we'll have played:
Pacers
Blazers
Bucks
Wizards
Cavs
Raptors
76ers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets (16th)
Wizards (18th)
Suns (19th)
Kings (21st)
Hornets (23rd)
Mavs (25th)
I would think by the 15th, we would know if the Lakers are legit or not. The question is, what would the Lakers have to look like for the team to make a trade? If we're just going by record, what would their record have to be to make a trade? And what would the trade entail?
What would a trade look like if they're under .500? Do they make a trade at all?
At near .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade?
Over .500? A WB trade? Or a small trade? Or stand pat? |
No blow it up scenario? |
The only “blow up” scenario is trading AD, and I doubt that will happen. Outside of him, there really isn’t anyone on the roster we can trade that would bring much value.
It's not like we are the Jazz with a ton of solid veterans to offer. Lebron's can't be traded. Walker has no Bird rights. Everyone else is just a minimum wage guy who would be no more than a deep rotation player on a contender. |
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Lakers fan are very critical with the move this off season must admit, so far so good on the off season signing for the Lakers. Cant see who the could have signed that would have made it better. Trade aside or past mistake not taken to account, The FO did a great job trying to built the team as best it could with the hand they are dealt with. Fingers crossed that if and when that trade do happen, we built our depth deep enough to make run this season.
LW has proven he is worth the MLE - Monk is a better shooter, but def and length goes to LW
TBrown has been a good addition and has become a staple 3 and D we are looking for this season
TBryant has been a good addition and provided better than our C last year
DW from the last game looks like a player that can fill what we need if or when a trade happens
PB is has been a disappointment, but I feel like his presence with the team just glue the locker room into a more tight knit group.
JTA and DJ has been disappointing, but both seem to get high praised from the us before season when they signed. |
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| defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
Hmmm, suffering?
We have two of the best players in the league on the same team, is that suffering?
Have you been watching? |
We are 7-11. I have not been enjoying watching us get this record. We have 1 of the best players in the league... maybe top 10. Lebron is past his prime and not top 10 to me. I look at the big picture. We have three players being paid like top 5 players but only one is maybe living up to his salary. For me, going 7-11 is nothing to be excited about. This is a bad team. |
Hey man, I get it. I have been frustrated also, especially the start. I like the way they have been playing as of yet. Lebron is still top 10, not sure you can name 10 players better than him.
Agree about the salaries being high. I still think they need to entertain a Westbrook trade though he has been playing pretty well. Need some really good shooter. Not sure Hield and Turner would change this team all that much, perhaps they would. Would cost 2 FRPs though. Do you do it?
The good thing is, no one is pulling away in the West. The Lakers, if they continue to win, can sniff the top 5 or 6 in the West.
Do you make a trade now? I think you do if you can. |
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| joeblow wrote: | | For those that say we need a wing, that's not exactly right. Wings are SGs and SFs.... we specifically need more (defensive) Forwards: SFs and PFs. Settling for "wings" implies we can simply add yet another shooting guard (which are 6'6" or smaller) and be good to go, but that is not true. |
Completely agree…the need is for at least 6’7”…preferably 6’8” or 6’9”. Need defense and 3pt shooting from a combo F.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | What we really need is to get rid of 2 out of the three massive contracts we have, then we can truly rebuild. |
Davis and Lebron are not moving. |
Then we will have to suffer through it. |
Hmmm, suffering?
We have two of the best players in the league on the same team, is that suffering?
Have you been watching? |
We are 7-11. I have not been enjoying watching us get this record. We have 1 of the best players in the league... maybe top 10. Lebron is past his prime and not top 10 to me. I look at the big picture. We have three players being paid like top 5 players but only one is maybe living up to his salary. For me, going 7-11 is nothing to be excited about. This is a bad team. |
Hey man, I get it. I have been frustrated also, especially the start. I like the way they have been playing as of yet. Lebron is still top 10, not sure you can name 10 players better than him.
Agree about the salaries being high. I still think they need to entertain a Westbrook trade though he has been playing pretty well. Need some really good shooter. Not sure Hield and Turner would change this team all that much, perhaps they would. Would cost 2 FRPs though. Do you do it?
The good thing is, no one is pulling away in the West. The Lakers, if they continue to win, can sniff the top 5 or 6 in the West.
Do you make a trade now? I think you do if you can. |
Honestly now that I have seen what the big 3 are giving us, I really believe it's time to rebuild. I do not think even if healthy they are good enough to compete for a championship. I'm in the all in or rebuild camp. I don't like not doing anything. If I was forced to choose, I would choose rebuild. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | joeblow wrote: | | For those that say we need a wing, that's not exactly right. Wings are SGs and SFs.... we specifically need more (defensive) Forwards: SFs and PFs. Settling for "wings" implies we can simply add yet another shooting guard (which are 6'6" or smaller) and be good to go, but that is not true. |
Completely agree…the need is for at least 6’7”…preferably 6’8” or 6’9”. Need defense and 3pt shooting from a combo F. |
Trouble is that is the most in-demand type of player in the league. I am dubious we'd be able to get a quality 3-and-d for the assets we have to offer, but we shall see. |
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