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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:39 am    Post subject:

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I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.


That's because Lebron is about to turn 38 and because Lebron, Davis, and Irving all have recurring injury issues. If Lebron was about to turn 28 instead of 38, the discussion would be different.
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I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.


That's because Lebron is about to turn 38 and because Lebron, Davis, and Irving all have recurring injury issues. If Lebron was about to turn 28 instead of 38, the discussion would be different.


Yeah, Bron at that age was going to what 9 or 10 straight Finals? Pretty sure when most are calling him top 3-5 they are referring the prime version and not the latter career version who is still damn good tbf. Kind of like how nobody was expecting Jordan to win a Championship for the Wizards because he was widely considered the GOAT by many.

Even today though a team with a healthy Bron, AD and Irving is absolutely capable of beating anyone but that injury concern is a massive one obviously.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:02 pm    Post subject:

I predict the lakers go on a 3 peat and lebron is crowned as the undisputed GOAT of all time and retires with 7 rings.
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I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.


That's because Lebron is about to turn 38 and because Lebron, Davis, and Irving all have recurring injury issues. If Lebron was about to turn 28 instead of 38, the discussion would be different.


Yeah, Bron at that age was going to what 9 or 10 straight Finals? Pretty sure when most are calling him top 3-5 they are referring the prime version and not the latter career version who is still damn good tbf. Kind of like how nobody was expecting Jordan to win a Championship for the Wizards because he was widely considered the GOAT by many.

Even today though a team with a healthy Bron, AD and Irving is absolutely capable of beating anyone but that injury concern is a massive one obviously.


If Bron/AD/Kyrie only had to play one 7 game series to win a championship, I’d give them as good of odds as anyone. However there is a full regular season and then three best-of-7 series to be played before that, which is a battle of attrition. The Lakers version of LeBron is anything but injury-defying. AD is basically guaranteed to miss games for a twisted ankle, thigh bruise, etc and Kyrie is a total wild card.

There’s no denying their talent, but the chances of them collectively remaining healthy for a full season + playoffs is next to zero. Best we could hope for is a healthy playoff run, but good luck with even qualifying if they miss too much time in the RS.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:41 pm    Post subject:

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I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.


That's because Lebron is about to turn 38 and because Lebron, Davis, and Irving all have recurring injury issues. If Lebron was about to turn 28 instead of 38, the discussion would be different.


Yeah, Bron at that age was going to what 9 or 10 straight Finals? Pretty sure when most are calling him top 3-5 they are referring the prime version and not the latter career version who is still damn good tbf. Kind of like how nobody was expecting Jordan to win a Championship for the Wizards because he was widely considered the GOAT by many.

Even today though a team with a healthy Bron, AD and Irving is absolutely capable of beating anyone but that injury concern is a massive one obviously.


If Bron/AD/Kyrie only had to play one 7 game series to win a championship, I’d give them as good of odds as anyone. However there is a full regular season and then three best-of-7 series to be played before that, which is a battle of attrition. The Lakers version of LeBron is anything but injury-defying. AD is basically guaranteed to miss games for a twisted ankle, thigh bruise, etc and Kyrie is a total wild card.

There’s no denying their talent, but the chances of them collectively remaining healthy for a full season + playoffs is next to zero. Best we could hope for is a healthy playoff run, but good luck with even qualifying if they miss too much time in the RS.


I don't think the majority of realistic Laker fans would argue with any of that much but sadly it's far and away also the only semi realistic way we could have a real chance at Winning another Championship next Season considering all the other possible trade proposals which make us marginally better if anything with the same Season long huge pressure on AD/Bron.

They def. wont all stay healthy for the full Season but I think they could easily still get a solid seed if AD plays a good chunk while Kyrie/Bron don't overlap much time missed but that's obviously not something you can count on happening with any kind of certainty. It's a messed up situation we're in currently so it's more so about what's the better messed up scenario to roll with for at least next Season?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:52 pm    Post subject:

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▪️ There is "a lot of pessimism" on a Kevin Durant deal getting done in the near future

▪️ Kyrie Irving is "in a good place and comfortable" with the Nets right now

@IanBegley with the latest notes in Brooklyn: http://on.sny.tv/9D27KRF


https://twitter.com/SNYNets/status/1555274289108209666


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:48 pm    Post subject:

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Here's a couple of screenshots from Nets official Instagram site. Net also posted videos of Irving at Kean. Something's happening here, what it is ain't exactly.

https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/1555374435040956416


You know what’s happening? My best guess, an extension….with KD about to walk back his trade demand.

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Late last month, multiple people familiar with the Nets’ Kevin Durant talks were pessimistic about the possibility of a deal getting done in the near future. Part of the pessimism stemmed from the idea that, as of last month, there was little appetite in the market for teams to serve as a third or fourth team to facilitate a Durant trade. “No one wants to help (Brooklyn get a deal done),” one team remarked. – via SportsNet New York


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Kyrie Irving returned to play basketball in New Jersey on Thursday night, the Brooklyn Nets posted videos and photographs of the night and a rapprochement between the two sides appears in the making. The West Orange native and ex-St. Patrick School star hosted his “More Than A Run” All-Star Game before a big crowd at Kean University that included his Nets teammates Royce O’Neale, Kessler Edwards and David Duke. Perhaps more significantly, the Nets official Instagram account posted videos and photos of the night. – via Adam Zagoria @ Newark Star-Ledger


Ky highlights from the nite 👇🏼
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1555376404006461441
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:06 am    Post subject:

The strongest rumor is that Brooklyn wants to move KD first, and then perhaps Kyrie afterwards. The Lakers want Kyrie badly no doubt but are not inclined to fork over two frps. Got it.

Everything seems to be at an impasse. If both teams want to resolve both matters, and it does work in the trade machine, and yes we would have to surrender two frps, but a KD+KI for Westbrook+AD plus two frps would move assets quickly.

I said quickly, not fairly. Someone else proposed that trade, but I hadn't seen if it actually worked, and it does.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:30 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1555569800398749696

Kyrie for AD… OR Bron/Russ for KD/Ben rumors in 3…2…
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:42 am    Post subject:

Old video?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:53 pm    Post subject:

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Old video?


Seems like it…the internet is full of awesomeness sprinkled with pockets of annoyances. Supposedly that video was from a 2K event in 2019. 😑
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:20 pm    Post subject:

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Or maybe they think (correctly in my mind) that adding Kyrie won’t make them champions.


I agree. I think they need Kyrie and another shooter to be able to compete. With Kyrie and Hield then maybe they have a chance.


Perhaps. But you know...

I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.

Meanwhile the Warriors and Curry just won a Championship with Andrew Wiggins as their 2nd best player.

It's just interesting to think about.


The biggest takeaway from that is Kyrie and AD can’t be counted on to stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:43 pm    Post subject:

I wonder if their is back channel thinking from the Lakers FO in packaging AD for KD especially if the Lakers got word that LeBron was gonna leave after this season..
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:43 pm    Post subject:

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I wonder if their is back channel thinking from the Lakers FO in packaging AD for KD especially if the Lakers got word that LeBron was gonna leave after this season..


Got to be honest, I highly doubt KD is built for the Lakers. He's more a Clipper kind of guy (likes the lifestyle but can't handle the pressure of being That Guy on the lakeshow).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm    Post subject:

Hahaha
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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It remains unclear whether the Nets would move on to trade Kyrie Irving if they strike a deal for Durant. Irving, according to several reports, has made it clear to Nets brass that he wants to stay in Brooklyn even if the team moves on from Durant.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kevin-durant-training-camp-trade-request-20220809-pixlsdjaqbfbjie75dx5wzfznu-story.html

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It remains unclear whether the Nets would move on to trade Kyrie Irving if they strike a deal for Durant. Irving, according to several reports, has made it clear to Nets brass that he wants to stay in Brooklyn even if the team moves on from Durant.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kevin-durant-training-camp-trade-request-20220809-pixlsdjaqbfbjie75dx5wzfznu-story.html


PatBev + Buddy + Myles if we burning both picks for a non kyrie, nothing less
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vasashi17+ wrote:
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It remains unclear whether the Nets would move on to trade Kyrie Irving if they strike a deal for Durant. Irving, according to several reports, has made it clear to Nets brass that he wants to stay in Brooklyn even if the team moves on from Durant.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kevin-durant-training-camp-trade-request-20220809-pixlsdjaqbfbjie75dx5wzfznu-story.html


Hard to reconcile this continued insistence that Kyrie is happy in BKN with the report yesterday that he dislikes/distrusts Nash and Marks as much as KD.

Clearly there are two totally distinct messages coming from different sides of the story that are competing for acceptance.
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Rubin wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
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It remains unclear whether the Nets would move on to trade Kyrie Irving if they strike a deal for Durant. Irving, according to several reports, has made it clear to Nets brass that he wants to stay in Brooklyn even if the team moves on from Durant.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kevin-durant-training-camp-trade-request-20220809-pixlsdjaqbfbjie75dx5wzfznu-story.html


Hard to reconcile this continued insistence that Kyrie is happy in BKN with the report yesterday that he dislikes/distrusts Nash and Marks as much as KD.

Clearly there are two totally distinct messages coming from different sides of the story that are competing for acceptance.


I would take all of that with a grain of salt, both from Kyrie's side, and from the fact that the owner is likely to want him gone regardless.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:39 pm    Post subject:

Isn’t Kyrie from that area? It shouldn’t be a surprise that he likes playing close to home. The talk about him liking or not liking the FO is just media chatter for now.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
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vasashi17+ wrote:
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It remains unclear whether the Nets would move on to trade Kyrie Irving if they strike a deal for Durant. Irving, according to several reports, has made it clear to Nets brass that he wants to stay in Brooklyn even if the team moves on from Durant.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kevin-durant-training-camp-trade-request-20220809-pixlsdjaqbfbjie75dx5wzfznu-story.html


Hard to reconcile this continued insistence that Kyrie is happy in BKN with the report yesterday that he dislikes/distrusts Nash and Marks as much as KD.

Clearly there are two totally distinct messages coming from different sides of the story that are competing for acceptance.


I would take all of that with a grain of salt, both from Kyrie's side, and from the fact that the owner is likely to want him gone regardless.


Agreed. That was in fact my point: that all the competing, seemingly contradicting narratives being reported are pure posturing from different sides and ought not be read into very much.

The reality remains unchanged in my mind: if Durant is traded, it’s likely Kyrie will be as well. If Durant stays, it is overwhelmingly likely that Kyrie stays too.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:21 pm    Post subject:

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Nets star Kyrie Irving wants to make it clear he does not hate coach Steve Nash or general manager Sean Marks despite what a source told The Post about his feelings Monday.

“I am not sure where this narrative is coming from but Kyrie does not hate Steve nor Sean. That’s not a part of his being nor how he represents himself in the world. He’s about peace, love and acceptance,” his agent and stepmother Shetallia Riley Irving told The Post.

His agent declined to comment on whether Irving agrees with Kevin Durant, who reportedly wants Marks and Nash fired.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/kyrie-irving-doesnt-hate-sean-marks-or-steve-nash-agent/

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:54 pm    Post subject:

Treble Clef wrote:
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Or maybe they think (correctly in my mind) that adding Kyrie won’t make them champions.
I agree. I think they need Kyrie and another shooter to be able to compete. With Kyrie and Hield then maybe they have a chance.
Perhaps. But you know...

I always find it amusing how so many people rush to call LeBron the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time yet we're sitting here talking about a team with him, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving with what they'd have on the team(just ridding it of Westbrook and keeping everyone else) still wouldn't be enough to compete for a Championship and would need more.

Meanwhile the Warriors and Curry just won a Championship with Andrew Wiggins as their 2nd best player.

It's just interesting to think about.
The biggest takeaway from that is Kyrie and AD can’t be counted on to stay healthy.
With the latest buzz on the "reason" why KD wants to be traded is that their "direction" has changed plus KD/Kyrie believed that the would be Co-Managing the Nets. Of course, having the "power" without having any consequences or implications is like something that kindergarden children wants.

KD has effectively killed any realistic options to have any viable trades plus he is under contract with the Nets for years plus he says that retirement is not in the cards for next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:33 am    Post subject:

If you told me I could have


PG.Kyrie
PF.Davis

Both at 27 years old I am trading every pick until 2050.


Do you know how hard it is to have a team that can win a chip?

When was the last time boston won?


Yes they just made the finals but what if this is as far as they go? Then now they have to retool? Draft again? (bleep) that. Lets go win a chip



Kyrie
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LeBron
Davis
Bryant

Lets go
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:03 am    Post subject:

scout_0 wrote:
If you told me I could have


PG.Kyrie
PF.Davis

Both at 27 years old I am trading every pick until 2050.


Kyrie is 30 and AD is 29. Both haven't played a full season in years.
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