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E_Wulf420
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Gabe Vincent needed to play more this game. Ham subbed him out in the 2nd quarter after picking up his 3rd foul. I would have left him in the game at that point and let him be aggressive, Lakers were up 10 with about 6 minutes when GV was subbed and ended only up 3 at the half.
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| Think we need to see more Jax, he had only 4 minutes but gave us some size and activity that is desperately needed. |
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kikanga
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| Day wrote: | | Think we need to see more Jax, he had only 4 minutes but gave us some size and activity that is desperately needed. |
That's the biggest adjustment we could make to be honest. Issue is. Adjusting from a 1 big lineup to a 2 big lineup, takes time. It isn't smooth. Even when you aren't in a playoff series against the champs.
Minnesota looked like dog crap for 1/2 a season last year. And that is with KAT being a 40% 3pt shooter. Something AD has never been. Even when he was a good 3pt shooter for his size years ago.
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miggz23
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Weird minutes distribution and rotation tonight tbh… Specially in the 2nd half 3rd quarter. Over playing Lebron, when he usually sits him at the 4min mark and then taking out AD. When AD usually plays the whole 3rd.
Just bringing it up cause I think we lost the game in that last 5mins of the 3rd. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Think we need to see more Jax, he had only 4 minutes but gave us some size and activity that is desperately needed. |
That's the biggest adjustment we could make to be honest. Issue is. Adjusting from a 1 big lineup to a 2 big lineup, takes time. It isn't smooth. Even when you aren't in a playoff series against the champs.
Minnesota looked like dog crap for 1/2 a season last year. And that is with KAT being a 40% 3pt shooter. Something AD has never been. Even when he was a good 3pt shooter for his size years ago. |
We just need to hit more open shots. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Think we need to see more Jax, he had only 4 minutes but gave us some size and activity that is desperately needed. |
That's the biggest adjustment we could make to be honest. Issue is. Adjusting from a 1 big lineup to a 2 big lineup, takes time. It isn't smooth. Even when you aren't in a playoff series against the champs.
Minnesota looked like dog crap for 1/2 a season last year. And that is with KAT being a 40% 3pt shooter. Something AD has never been. Even when he was a good 3pt shooter for his size years ago. |
People keep saying we need big lineups, trust me it will make it worse. Not only that bigger bulky guy can’t stop Jokic, you are also giving him a free target to rest on defense instead of guarding AD. Unless the big has shooting ability, it is better to just go with AD |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Think we need to see more Jax, he had only 4 minutes but gave us some size and activity that is desperately needed. |
That's the biggest adjustment we could make to be honest. Issue is. Adjusting from a 1 big lineup to a 2 big lineup, takes time. It isn't smooth. Even when you aren't in a playoff series against the champs.
Minnesota looked like dog crap for 1/2 a season last year. And that is with KAT being a 40% 3pt shooter. Something AD has never been. Even when he was a good 3pt shooter for his size years ago. |
We just need to hit more open shots. |
yep. when you shoot that poorly from three it's hard to beat anybody. |
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LakerDynasty6.0
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Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham
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| LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham |
Ummm….Denver is one of the best defensive teams in the league. Lebron and AD would have a field day against weak paint protection which obviously
Hasn’t been the case against Denver. They have no glaring weaknesses on either end.
Jokic might not be a shot blocker but they wouldn’t be champs if their paint protection was lacking….it clearly isn’t |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham |
Ummm….Denver is one of the best defensive teams in the league. Lebron and AD would have a field day against weak paint protection which obviously
Hasn’t been the case against Denver. They have no glaring weaknesses on either end.
Jokic might not be a shot blocker but they wouldn’t be champs if their paint protection was lacking….it clearly isn’t |
Their defense is good despite Jokic. Aaron Gordon and KCP are elite. And they can use their focus and energy on that side of the ball cause Jokic makes their lives so easy on the offensive end.
If Denver runs into Dallas for example. Kyrie and Luka will expose Jokic's defense. In ways we really can't. Because our best players are in the front court and not the back court.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham |
Ummm….Denver is one of the best defensive teams in the league. Lebron and AD would have a field day against weak paint protection which obviously
Hasn’t been the case against Denver. They have no glaring weaknesses on either end.
Jokic might not be a shot blocker but they wouldn’t be champs if their paint protection was lacking….it clearly isn’t |
Their defense is good despite Jokic. Aaron Gordon and KCP are elite. And they can use their focus and energy on that side of the ball cause Jokic makes their lives so easy on the offensive end. |
That what I mean. If there was a clear path to victory against them, Lebron of all people would’ve found a way in these last 9 or so games against them. We as currently constructed cannot exploit any perceived weaknesses they might have.
We do not have the talent or coaching to do so. And that’s just depressing considering we have Lebron and AD. Jokic is just unreal that he can out duel them with ease |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's tough for me to blame Ham right now.
Mainly because, it's a mismatch in Denver's favor anytime DLO or AR are on-ball defenders against anybody in Denver's starting lineup.
Whether it is defending the P&R when Murray has the ball. Or just defending MPJ, Gordon, Jokic when they have to switch. They don't have the physical tools to stop their man. Which means another defender comes over. Which means it is a quality shot for Denver.
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mad55557777
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham |
Ummm….Denver is one of the best defensive teams in the league. Lebron and AD would have a field day against weak paint protection which obviously
Hasn’t been the case against Denver. They have no glaring weaknesses on either end.
Jokic might not be a shot blocker but they wouldn’t be champs if their paint protection was lacking….it clearly isn’t |
You need guards involves Jokic in PNR and then attack the rim, lebron can do it maybe 4 years ago, but not now. He goes to the basket with power, not speed. We need those fox type of players to attack the rim. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| If Lakers get swept again Ham is gone for sure. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | If Lakers get swept again Ham is gone for sure. |
Ham shouldn’t be fired because we got swept by superior team. But he should get fired for us being 7th when we should’ve been a 4/5th seed with better lineups in the regular season |
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| ducasse wrote: | | If Lakers get swept again Ham is gone for sure. |
nope, no ring means he shoukd be fired. |
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leking006
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| kikanga wrote: | It's tough for me to blame Ham right now.
Mainly because, it's a mismatch in Denver's favor anytime DLO or AR are on-ball defenders against anybody in Denver's starting lineup.
Whether it is defending the P&R when Murray has the ball. Or just defending MPJ, Gordon, Jokic when they have to switch. They don't have the physical tools to stop their man. Which means another defender comes over. Which means it is a quality shot for Denver. |
then its ham, why not use other players like gabe and sd or even max? |
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| leking006 wrote: | | ducasse wrote: | | If Lakers get swept again Ham is gone for sure. |
nope, no ring means he shoukd be fired. |
I'm saying what my opinion is on what Jeanie would be willing to do, not what my opinion is on if he should be fired.
Two sweeps and losing 12 in a row to one team is enough to convince her to let him go in my opinion.
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Ham shouldn’t be fired because we got swept by superior team. But he should get fired for us being 7th when we should’ve been a 4/5th seed with better lineups in the regular season |
That's a reason too, but losing 12 in a row is inexcusable whether they are superior or not. No team has that much more talent to go 12-0 with half the games on the road unless something is amiss with how the team is managed.
Nuggets are 43-39 on the road the past two regular seasons and that includes playing against a lot of really bad teams. They aren't an elite road team. |
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miggz23
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Ham’s minutes distribution threw the team off in the 2nd half. A few key substitution in the 3rd…
- Ham took DLO out with 5mins left, only to put him back in the 3mins mark. Nuggets exposed him by running plays through KCP who hit three 3s to close out the 3rd. Ham took AD out with 2mins left while Jokic was still on floor. with no center.
DLO 41mins - Is too long for him to be on the court specially if he’s not hitting shots. That’s also 41mins were in a defensive disadvantage. Keep him at 30-35mpg. Give the rest to Gabe.
AD 44mins - Also too much for game 1 of the series. AD was gassed at the end. Ham need to match Jokic’s minutes with AD on the floor.
BRON - his minutes rotation also changed from the regular season. I believe he was sitting on the bench to start the 4th. Which Ham never done in the season along with playing him the whole 3rd. I think thats why Bron look pissed on the bench in the 4th when the lead went up to 15pts.
Gabe - Need more minutes from him. 8mins is not enough.
Rui - need more shots. He’s too valuable offensively to be only shooting 4 shots in 31mins.
Key match ups:
DLO/AR/Rui - 33pts combined / MPJ/KCP/Goron - 43pts combined
Lakers Bench - 11pts(all TP) / Nuggets Bench - 17pts combined |
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Why do the Lakers never crash the offensive board? Every possession is one and done. Meanwhile they never box out so opponents always get 2-3 offensive boards. This is all on Ham. Ham lost me after that stupid 3-guard lineup vs. tallest team last playoffs. If Lakers get swept again, he needs to go.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | It's tough for me to blame Ham right now.
Mainly because, it's a mismatch in Denver's favor anytime DLO or AR are on-ball defenders against anybody in Denver's starting lineup.
Whether it is defending the P&R when Murray has the ball. Or just defending MPJ, Gordon, Jokic when they have to switch. They don't have the physical tools to stop their man. Which means another defender comes over. Which means it is a quality shot for Denver. |
then its ham, why not use other players like gabe and sd or even max? |
I expect him to play Vincent and Dinwiddie more as the series goes on.
But the issue is roster construction. This is on Rob. We saw last year Denver had the size and strength advantage over us. And they still do now.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| LakerDynasty6.0 wrote: | Play rui more
Play Dinwiddie and Gabe a whole lot more: and get em shots too: at the expense of DLo
Attack the paint: nuggets aren't playing any interior defense
Stop jacking up treys and run plays to go inside (and inside out if the pocket collapses)
And if we don't win this series --> FIRE Ham |
Perfect game plan. I thought the same thing.
More Rui and Jax.
More Gabe and Spencer.
Less Russell and less Reaves, unless he is having a positive impact on the game.
Also, I was ok with Prince, he played with some mojo. |
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| Quote: | Denver's organized offense % by quarter:
Q1: 68%
Q2: 68%
Q3: 67%
Q4: 67%
The Lakers' % by quarter:
Q1: 67%
Q2: 55%
Q3: 45%
Q4: 39%
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Denver also took 28shots more then us 😂 |
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| ducasse wrote: | | If Lakers get swept again Ham is gone for sure. |
Don't underestimate the stubbornness of Jeanie. Remember how long it took for her to fire her brother?
Firing Ham would mean admitting her mistake and she never liked doing that. She only wants to be seen as a winner. She'd raise the O'Brien trophy faster than you could say "lucky".
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But the issue is roster construction. This is on Rob. We saw last year Denver had the size and strength advantage over us. And they still do now. |
It was Ham who thought it was a brilliant idea to go with a 3-guard lineup to get even smaller.
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