Hamm about to get on that group therapy slack channel with Luke and Vogel. Coaching a Jeanie/Pelinka run team is the worst gig in Pro Basketball.
So true...it was well known what this team needed to win and the FO just hasn't provided it. So being a bad team is actually what we expected since the issues of 3pt shooting wasn't addressed it just that after the season started we hoped we were wrong and that somehow we could win anyway...but we were right...the team can't win without roster upgrades. With the recent injury history of AD and Lebron it may not have made a difference anyway. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Hamm about to get on that group therapy slack channel with Luke and Vogel. Coaching a Jeanie/Pelinka run team is the worst gig in Pro Basketball.
Vogel was fine. I mean you have to be doing something right to win a championship. Wasn't a fan of Luke, because he botched the development of the young core, but I understand the hire. However, I agree with the general sentiment that Ham is in a no-win situation, but I also think Vogel would have done a better job with the current roster.
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Hamm about to get on that group therapy slack channel with Luke and Vogel. Coaching a Jeanie/Pelinka run team is the worst gig in Pro Basketball.
Vogel was fine. I mean you have to be doing something right to win a championship. Wasn't a fan of Luke, because he botched the development of the young core, but I understand the hire. However, I agree with the general sentiment that Ham is in a no-win situation. I also think Vogel would have done a better job with the current roster.
There were things Vogel did that made him look as if he was challenged but the current losing shows that it wasn't his fault. If the FO was really committed to winning they would have fired Pelinka and kept Vogel...or better yet got rid of them both. Unfortunately, they aren't committed to winning so the person most responsible for this debacle, Pelinka, was extended. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Hamm about to get on that group therapy slack channel with Luke and Vogel. Coaching a Jeanie/Pelinka run team is the worst gig in Pro Basketball.
Vogel was fine. I mean you have to be doing something right to win a championship. Wasn't a fan of Luke, because he botched the development of the young core, but I understand the hire. However, I agree with the general sentiment that Ham is in a no-win situation. I also think Vogel would have done a better job with the current roster.
There were things Vogel did that made him look as if he was challenged but the current losing shows that it wasn't his fault. If the FO was really committed to winning they would have fired Pelinka and kept Vogel...or better yet got rid of them both. Unfortunately, they aren't committed to winning so the person most responsible for this debacle, Pelinka, was extended.
Lets be honest here. The biggest blame is on Jeannie. She is the one making decisions about extending Pelinka and also I am sure she is the one that hired Ham. Or at least gave permission.
I dont blame Ham. He obviously does not have clue what he is doing and he cant motivate them to play. From the first moment and first press I saw a guy just telling the nice and proper things. But deep down clueless.
And this argument that everyone loves him as a person. How does that have to do with coaching. That really is smth I cannot understand.
I was concerned that Ham was going to spend so much time in training camp/preseason having to figure out Russ. If we make a trade, and the cost is the same (or higher), the true cost is the current W/L record, the missing time we could have used to incorporate the trade pieces, etc.
Ham was given rotten ingredients to work with and it's just a shame he will be tethered to Rob/Jeanie. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
If Pelinka doesn't know how to build a roster, why would he be any more astute at selecting a coach? Ham was the wrong guy for this team.
Who could have been the right guy if neither Vogel nor Ham are the "right guys"?
Well, in my opinion, Vogel was the right guy. I wanted him to stay. I said all along there wasn't a better coach available. He was axed to protect Pelinka. As far as I could tell, Westbrook was the only player who had a problem with him. Now Russ does seem happier.
Yes I see it the same way. Ham does deserve credit for elevating Westbrook's play.
If Pelinka doesn't know how to build a roster, why would he be any more astute at selecting a coach? Ham was the wrong guy for this team.
Who could have been the right guy if neither Vogel nor Ham are the "right guys"?
Well, in my opinion, Vogel was the right guy. I wanted him to stay. I said all along there wasn't a better coach available. He was axed to protect Pelinka. As far as I could tell, Westbrook was the only player who had a problem with him. Now Russ does seem happier.
Yes I see it the same way. Ham does deserve credit for elevating Westbrook's play.
Should have hired Lue anyway, and David Griffin as VPoBO, then let West take the consulting job. That would have prevented the major mistakes. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
If Pelinka doesn't know how to build a roster, why would he be any more astute at selecting a coach? Ham was the wrong guy for this team.
Who could have been the right guy if neither Vogel nor Ham are the "right guys"?
Well, in my opinion, Vogel was the right guy. I wanted him to stay. I said all along there wasn't a better coach available. He was axed to protect Pelinka. As far as I could tell, Westbrook was the only player who had a problem with him. Now Russ does seem happier.
Yes I see it the same way. Ham does deserve credit for elevating Westbrook's play.
Should have hired Lue anyway, and David Griffin as VPoBO, then let West take the consulting job. That would have prevented the major mistakes.
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Hanging from Rafters wrote:
ThePageDude wrote:
Bol wrote:
ThePageDude wrote:
Bol wrote:
If Pelinka doesn't know how to build a roster, why would he be any more astute at selecting a coach? Ham was the wrong guy for this team.
Who could have been the right guy if neither Vogel nor Ham are the "right guys"?
Well, in my opinion, Vogel was the right guy. I wanted him to stay. I said all along there wasn't a better coach available. He was axed to protect Pelinka. As far as I could tell, Westbrook was the only player who had a problem with him. Now Russ does seem happier.
Yes I see it the same way. Ham does deserve credit for elevating Westbrook's play.
Should have hired Lue anyway, and David Griffin as VPoBO, then let West take the consulting job. That would have prevented the major mistakes.
how do we know Lue wanted the job.
Didn’t want to give Lue what he wanted because it was too expensive, but then end up paying for two coaches instead. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Hamm about to get on that group therapy slack channel with Luke and Vogel. Coaching a Jeanie/Pelinka run team is the worst gig in Pro Basketball.
Vogel was fine. I mean you have to be doing something right to win a championship. Wasn't a fan of Luke, because he botched the development of the young core, but I understand the hire. However, I agree with the general sentiment that Ham is in a no-win situation. I also think Vogel would have done a better job with the current roster.
There were things Vogel did that made him look as if he was challenged but the current losing shows that it wasn't his fault. If the FO was really committed to winning they would have fired Pelinka and kept Vogel...or better yet got rid of them both. Unfortunately, they aren't committed to winning so the person most responsible for this debacle, Pelinka, was extended.
It is clear that Pelinka is responsible for this team.
This year, the only constant is Pelinka and the team still sucks.
Like it or not, when lebron is out, Russ kind of has to play because we have zero playmakers, most of the players on the court can’t complete an entry pass to AD
Pat Bev on the other hand, was just stupid? Why not Troy brown or even JTA?
Hilarious that people think roster is the issue, Ham has been all talk since becoming the Lakers coach, the Lakers just don’t want to be embarrassed firing him this early when they just gave him a extension.
Hilarious that people think roster is the issue, Ham has been all talk since becoming the Lakers coach, the Lakers just don’t want to be embarrassed firing him this early when they just gave him a extension.
Roster is an issue.
Ham has also made questionable lineups. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Hilarious that people think roster is the issue, Ham has been all talk since becoming the Lakers coach, the Lakers just don’t want to be embarrassed firing him this early when they just gave him a extension.
Our play out of the timeouts might be the worst in the NBA history
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