Who Is Your 2021-22 MVP?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:49 am    Post subject: Who Is Your 2021-22 MVP?

List the order of your picks from 1 (being your MVP) to 9.

Giannis Antetokounmpo
29.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 5.8 apg, 1.4 bpg, 1.1 spg (67 games played)

Devean Booker
26.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.1 spg (68 games played)

Jimmy Butler
21.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.6 spg (57 games played)

Stephen Curry
25.5 ppg, 6.3 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.2 spg (64 games played)

Luka Dončić
28.5 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 8.7 apg, 1.1 spg (64 games played)

Joel Embiid
30.6 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.5 bpg, 1.1 spg (68 games played)

Nikola Jokić
27.1 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 7.9 apg, 1.5 spg (74 games played)

Ja Morant
27.4 ppg, 6.7 apg, 5.7 rpg, 1.2 spg (57 games played)

Jayson Tatum
26.9 ppg, 8 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1 spg (75 games played)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Gotta go to Booker. He wears Kobe's and his team won 64 games.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:24 pm    Post subject:

Could go to either Giannis, Joker or Embiid.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:48 pm    Post subject:

IMO Embiid will win it because the voters seem to hate giving it to the same player over and over, which hurts Jokic and Giannis.

Booker is a step below those three. Take him off the team and they’re still a top three seed.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:09 am    Post subject:

I thought Chris Paul should have won the MVP last year. His team has the best record in the league. Won 60 games. Suns were a perennial lottery team before trading for him. Made the playoffs, led to the finals, in his first year. Favorite to win the championship this year.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:27 am    Post subject:

dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
Gotta go to Booker. He wears Kobe's and his team won 64 games.


That 64 is definitely the difference between him and Tatum.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:38 am    Post subject:

The Joker. Highest PER of all time. Leads the league in almost ever advanced metric. And, was missing his two best players. Remove Holiday and Middleton off the Bucks. Remove Seth Curry pre Harden trade and both Harden and Maxey post Harden trade.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:42 am    Post subject:

Jokic or Embiid. But I really think it's dumb to decide this before seeing the playoffs
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:15 am    Post subject:

Any of Jokic, Embid, or Antetokounmbo, are deserving, but I'd go in that order.

Jokic lead the league in RPM (by a fairly wide margin and best of all time--at least since the stat has been compiled) and PER (and as mentioned also best of all time), and if you think about it, most of his stats are very similar to Shaq.

Imagine a scoring (in PPG and shooting %) and rebounding Shaq who could pass like a point guard.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:30 am    Post subject:

Corey78 wrote:
The Joker. Highest PER of all time. Leads the league in almost ever advanced metric. And, was missing his two best players. Remove Holiday and Middleton off the Bucks. Remove Seth Curry pre Harden trade and both Harden and Maxey post Harden trade.


Agreed. It’s Joker by a mile. Embiid kept it close early and was perhaps even leading but I think Joker pulled away. Giannis had a strong close but the first 50-60% of the season he wasn’t in the same category as Joker/Embiid.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:12 am    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Jokic or Embiid. But I really think it's dumb to decide this before seeing the playoffs


Why? It’s a regular season award.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:14 am    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
Any of Jokic, Embid, or Antetokounmbo, are deserving, but I'd go in that order.

Jokic lead the league in RPM (by a fairly wide margin and best of all time--at least since the stat has been compiled) and PER (and as mentioned also best of all time), and if you think about it, most of his stats are very similar to Shaq.

Imagine a scoring (in PPG and shooting %) and rebounding Shaq who could pass like a point guard.


Yeah, Jokic is putting up Shaq PPG and rebound numbers with 7.9 assists and 1.5 steals on top of it. Would you say he has the same (or greater) impact as Shaq, or do stats not tell the whole story?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:27 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
ribeye wrote:
Any of Jokic, Embid, or Antetokounmbo, are deserving, but I'd go in that order.

Jokic lead the league in RPM (by a fairly wide margin and best of all time--at least since the stat has been compiled) and PER (and as mentioned also best of all time), and if you think about it, most of his stats are very similar to Shaq.

Imagine a scoring (in PPG and shooting %) and rebounding Shaq who could pass like a point guard.


Yeah, Jokic is putting up Shaq PPG and rebound numbers with 7.9 assists and 1.5 steals on top of it. Would you say he has the same (or greater) impact as Shaq, or do stats not tell the whole story?


Stats don't tell the whole story of how they impacted games. Shaq got double and triple teamed a lot more than Jokic does and defenses would collapse on him. He would dunk with three guys hanging all over him and then toss them aside like rag dolls.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
ribeye wrote:
Any of Jokic, Embid, or Antetokounmbo, are deserving, but I'd go in that order.

Jokic lead the league in RPM (by a fairly wide margin and best of all time--at least since the stat has been compiled) and PER (and as mentioned also best of all time), and if you think about it, most of his stats are very similar to Shaq.

Imagine a scoring (in PPG and shooting %) and rebounding Shaq who could pass like a point guard.


Yeah, Jokic is putting up Shaq PPG and rebound numbers with 7.9 assists and 1.5 steals on top of it. Would you say he has the same (or greater) impact as Shaq, or do stats not tell the whole story?


Shaq is a top ten'er and had about 6 great seasons at 26. Jokic has had two great seasons and several very good. He's a long ways from Shaq. He has a chance though, as Shaq fell off after 30.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:50 am    Post subject:

Giannis, Embiid then Jokic. It's extremely close between Giannis and Embiid, but Giannis is a better passer, plus Milwaukee finished with a higher seed than Philly.

As impressive as Jokic is, he doesn't seem to make much of an impact on defense. Giannis, on the other hand, is one of the game's best defenders (and so is Embiid, but in a different way).
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:30 am    Post subject:

Sources: Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic to be named NBA MVP for second consecutive season

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Jokic's raw stats were even better this year than last year, as he averaged career highs of 27.1 points and 13.8 rebounds per game. He also averaged 7.9 assists, good for eighth in the league.

Jokic also became the first player in NBA history with 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 500 assists in a season.

The Denver center did it all without two of his co-stars, as point guard Jamal Murray missed the entire season while recovering from a torn ACL and Michael Porter Jr. was held to just nine games because of a back injury. Despite that, the Nuggets were still able to make the playoffs as the West's fifth seed.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33886198/sources-denver-nuggets-star-nikola-jokic-named-nba-mvp-second-consecutive-season
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 7:01 am    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
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ribeye wrote:
Any of Jokic, Embid, or Antetokounmbo, are deserving, but I'd go in that order.

Jokic lead the league in RPM (by a fairly wide margin and best of all time--at least since the stat has been compiled) and PER (and as mentioned also best of all time), and if you think about it, most of his stats are very similar to Shaq.

Imagine a scoring (in PPG and shooting %) and rebounding Shaq who could pass like a point guard.


Yeah, Jokic is putting up Shaq PPG and rebound numbers with 7.9 assists and 1.5 steals on top of it. Would you say he has the same (or greater) impact as Shaq, or do stats not tell the whole story?


Shaq is a top ten'er and had about 6 great seasons at 26. Jokic has had two great seasons and several very good. He's a long ways from Shaq. He has a chance though, as Shaq fell off after 30.


What about just this season? Is that comparable to a Shaq season?
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 5:41 pm    Post subject:

For me, mvp is the guy who had the most impact on a good team. It’s not a best player or guy who is elite in both ends so much as total impact. How much different is your team if you’re not there? you’re looking mostly at the elite teams, but in the case of a guy carrying a solid playoff team despite massive injuries to top guys and putting up historic numbers? Can’t complain a ton about it.
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