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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:25 am Post subject:
J.C. Smith wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
It's plausible. But then Mitch should have resigned instead of "taking the fall" with his supposed patron, Jim. I know it's easy for me to say and difficult to do, but the signings really went against basic rules of NBA GM'ing.
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
The logic was:
- the youth would take a couple of years to mature anyways.
- Moz & Deng would serve as mentors for the young 'uns
- in a couple of years the deals would be trade-able assets
- meanwhile the team wouldn't be terrible and fans would keep paying to see a half-way decent product where the youth provided promise and energy.
- if things went downhill, one of the deals would be amnestied easily (turned out this was a key BAD assumption)
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What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
They were desperate and they thought that was the best talent they could get. Deng was coming off a solid second half of the season in Miami. He had a resurgence there, and a nice close to the season and first round. They were hoping Mozgov could get back to where he was before his injury. But I think more than anything that was the best players they could get and they wanted to make sure they could get them. Mozgov they really weren't bidding against anyone. Deng had other offers that they felt they had to beat.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:07 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
They were building a young team, those were the players that they hoped to lead them to the WCF. Mozgov and Deng were vets that they hoped could help develop and mature the young players. They didn’t expect them to set the league on fire. The Lakers didn’t have a reputation of bringing in star FAs so the salary didn’t project to be a problem, they would still be able to fill in on the margins. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:11 am Post subject:
ThePageDude wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
The logic was:
- the youth would take a couple of years to mature anyways.
- Moz & Deng would serve as mentors for the young 'uns
- in a couple of years the deals would be trade-able assets
- meanwhile the team wouldn't be terrible and fans would keep paying to see a half-way decent product where the youth provided promise and energy.
- if things went downhill, one of the deals would be amnestied easily (turned out this was a key BAD assumption)
But good God, why FOUR year deals for both instead of two or even three? Was there seriously that much injury for a 31 year old Deng and a post-injury (or even a pre-injury) Mozgov?! _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:28 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
You see it in finance all the time. Guys have money to spend and nowhere to put it but have no choice but to put it to work, so they end up chasing crap.
You will see a ton of guys reap the pain of those decisions with rates up.
How good do you think Bynum would have been if he had healthy knees?
It's not only his knees. It was his attitude towards the game of basketball... And also the commitment of our management to him, refusing to trade him until he reportedly started disrespecting fellow players.
To me the biggest contribution to our rings from AB was getting injured and prompting the Gasol trade.
I just don't think he was half as good as he thought he was, and him being the protege of Jim didn't help.
Those years it was Kobe>Pau>Odom, Bynum's contribution was not insignificant, but he was nowhere near Odom in my book
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
The logic was:
- the youth would take a couple of years to mature anyways.
- Moz & Deng would serve as mentors for the young 'uns
- in a couple of years the deals would be trade-able assets
- meanwhile the team wouldn't be terrible and fans would keep paying to see a half-way decent product where the youth provided promise and energy.
- if things went downhill, one of the deals would be amnestied easily (turned out this was a key BAD assumption)
But good God, why FOUR year deals for both instead of two or even three? Was there seriously that much injury for a 31 year old Deng and a post-injury (or even a pre-injury) Mozgov?!
Yes, that was foolish along with with the assumption that they would be able to amnesty at least one of the xontracts.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:40 am Post subject:
1hu2ren3dui4 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Was surprised to see his name listed as well. The MozDeng bit is aggravating, but no GM is perfect.
Imo the Buss kids are to blame for Mozdeng. Jim for giving himself an ultimatum, and Jeanie to very publicly hold him to it. They had carefully preserved cap space, and then the year before the ultimatum deadline they sign those contracts.
They knew that if they didn't make the playoffs the next season they would be gone. So once they got word that the bigger name free agents weren't going to go with them, they overpaid to get what they could in the hopes of fielding a team decent enough to make the playoffs. That pressure came from Jim. But he was feeling the pressure from Jeanie's power grab, so she deserves some of that blame, as well. For two years in a row they dealt with her mouth pieces writing negative articles right before the start of free agency. That's on her.
What was the logic of the Mozdeng deal? How would those two ever have carried them to the WCF?
You see it in finance all the time. Guys have money to spend and nowhere to put it but have no choice but to put it to work, so they end up chasing crap.
You will see a ton of guys reap the pain of those decisions with rates up.
You’re seeing it right now in the junk bond market. $2.4 billion bond with a 4.0% coupon rate issued to Carnival Cruises when year over year inflation is over 7%— i.e. the bond holders are losing money and probably won’t even get their principle back at the end because cruise companies are going to go bankrupt due to COVID.
“Have all this cash/cap space sitting around, might as well doing with it rather than saving and waiting for a better opportunity!” _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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