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Nash Vegas
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Blow this (bleep) up.
A team with 3 current All-Stars, 6 future HOF’ers, but can’t beat depleted teams, can’t even beat lottery teams and if they do, it usually takes them overtime. Losses are by 20+ points.
Blow this (bleep) up. They’re just embarrassing the Lakers name.
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: MOST EMBARRASSING LAKERS TEAM - BLOW IT UP |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Blow this (bleep) up.
A team with 3 current All-Stars, 6 future HOF’ers, but can’t beat depleted teams, can’t even beat lottery teams and if they do, it usually takes them overtime. Losses are by 20+ points.
Blow this (bleep) up. They’re just embarrassing the Lakers name. |
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lakersfever714
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The Lakers of the past are gone. The "new" Lakers since Jeanie took over aren't the same as the ones from the past. We were fortunate to win a ring because Lebron chose us and we were very fortunate that year but other than that, we've been an abysmal team.
More Laker fans should be vocal about an ownership change but I guess I'm the only one who's passionate enough to bring it up. Look at the transformation of the Nets and Clippers after "good owners" took over. |
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Ksig
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| +1. More embarrassing losses like this one and hopefully it happens sooner rather than later. |
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LakerSD
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Cleveland Cavs be like you remind us of us in 2018.
LeGM just doesn’t understand personnel decisions and roster building. They got lucky one year because Kawhi played them and they had to quickly pivot to role players who were strong at their jobs.
I don’t think he really cares too much about leaving organizations anymore. He wouldn’t have signed the long-term (by his standards) deal.
LeGM just continues to cost Lebron championships. When Lebron owns a team, I don’t know how good they will be given his GM talents. Much like Jordan, Magic etc. |
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troy
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| Laker fans need to boycott going to the homes games until significant improvements are made on this Lakers team. When tickets sales plummet, maybe Jeanie will get the message. |
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troy
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| And by the way, we're two games out from officially being a lottery team. |
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LakerMindLA
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Lakers have no assets to blow it up.
If Lakers really wanted to blow it up, you’d have to trade Lebron.
It would need to be something like Lebron and Vet mins to GSW for Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga and Wiggins and a future first.
Then you try to turn around and get Simmons for WB and a 1st. |
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Theseus
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| I love the bandwagon burning down. I'm all for it. |
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Brawn13
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| Only way to truly blow it up is to get rid of Lebron and/or AD. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| troy wrote: | | And by the way, we're two games out from officially being a lottery team. |
Can you really call the Lakers a “ lottery team” when their pick goes to the Pels?
Sure feels a lot different then when the deal was made and the narrative was “what’s the difference how many FRPs they give up, they will all be late round picks anyways”. |
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RG73
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| LakerSD wrote: | Cleveland Cavs be like you remind us of us in 2018.
LeGM just doesn’t understand personnel decisions and roster building. They got lucky one year because Kawhi played them and they had to quickly pivot to role players who were strong at their jobs.
I don’t think he really cares too much about leaving organizations anymore. He wouldn’t have signed the long-term (by his standards) deal.
LeGM just continues to cost Lebron championships. When Lebron owns a team, I don’t know how good they will be given his GM talents. Much like Jordan, Magic etc. |
Lets stop pretending that ownership and the front office are completely without any agency, responsibility or power in this relationship. Even assuming Lebron is making all personnel decisions (which I find improbable), at the end of the day the proverbial buck stops with Jeanie. This is on her, not a player. If she lets players run the team or doesn't empower her GM, that's on her. Period. |
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blackmamba08
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| This team just does not compete and don't respect possessions. They are just there to finish the game and that's all. No spirit, effort, desire or any game plan. |
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:47 am Post subject: Re: MOST EMBARRASSING LAKERS TEAM - BLOW IT UP |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Blow this (bleep) up.
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Actually I think Lakers FO blowing it up IS THE PROBLEM.
Pelinka blew up the 2020 Championship team.
Then he blew up last years team that could’ve probably competed for a Championship team had LeBron/AD not gotten hurt.
Blowing up this current team is going to put them back in square one, no chemistry and familiarity with each other.
Pelinka has a catch 22 problem because if he blows this team up, again, we’re back to “Lakers need a *few* games to get familiar with each other” excuses, however, since this is an old team, keeping the same roster 1 year older will still pose the same problems we’re seeing now.
Whichever way he goes, next years team might even be worst than this years team.
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| RG73 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Cleveland Cavs be like you remind us of us in 2018.
LeGM just doesn’t understand personnel decisions and roster building. They got lucky one year because Kawhi played them and they had to quickly pivot to role players who were strong at their jobs.
I don’t think he really cares too much about leaving organizations anymore. He wouldn’t have signed the long-term (by his standards) deal.
LeGM just continues to cost Lebron championships. When Lebron owns a team, I don’t know how good they will be given his GM talents. Much like Jordan, Magic etc. |
Lets stop pretending that ownership and the front office are completely without any agency, responsibility or power in this relationship. Even assuming Lebron is making all personnel decisions (which I find improbable), at the end of the day the proverbial buck stops with Jeanie. This is on her, not a player. If she lets players run the team or doesn't empower her GM, that's on her. Period. |
Oh no, don’t get it twisted. Ownership is to blame too. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: Re: MOST EMBARRASSING LAKERS TEAM - BLOW IT UP |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Pelinka has a catch 22 problem because if he blows this team up, again, we’re back to “Lakers need a *few* games to get familiar with each other” excuses, however, since this is an old team, keeping the same roster 1 year older will still pose the same problems we’re seeing now. |
To me, "blowing it up" at this point means going into rebuilding mode and trying to trade Lebron and AD.
It's not realistic to think we can just swap out the supporting cast for a better supporting cast at this point in the season.
I doubt the Lakers trade Lebron and AD, because (1) it is a completely un-Laker move and (2) they probably wouldn't get a good enough return to make it worthwhile.
I think they will reboot again next year and just play out the last year of Lebron. |
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troy
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No, we don't blow anything up. Rob has "blown up" this roster every season since our championship run, and it shows.
What the Lakers need to do is to get the players they have now and force them to respect the game of basketball.
Russell Westbrook CAN NOT miss multiple layups during a single game, nor can he commit multiple turnovers. That is fixable. AD must figure out a way to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he needs to play with absolute determination each and every play. Right before he got hurt during the Twolves game, Karl Anthony Towns outplayed him in every facet of the game. That simply cannot happen.
Our bigmen need to play big. DH and DJ have been in the league long enough to know what their roles are, and what is required of them.
Our guards must no only shoot better, but defend the outside shot better. Even if their shot isn't falling, there is no excuse for the Lakers to be giving up so many 3 point shots.
This current Lakers team CAN be a finals contending team if the individual players yank their heads out of their asses and start performing to the standards expected of them. |
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Brawn13
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| troy wrote: | No, we don't blow anything up. Rob has "blown up" this roster every season since our championship run, and it shows.
What the Lakers need to do is to get the players they have now and force them to respect the game of basketball.
Russell Westbrook CAN NOT miss multiple layups during a single game, nor can he commit multiple turnovers. That is fixable. AD must figure out a way to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he needs to play with absolute determination each and every play. Right before he got hurt during the Twolves game, Karl Anthony Towns outplayed him in every facet of the game. That simply cannot happen.
Our bigmen need to play big. DH and DJ have been in the league long enough to know what their roles are, and what is required of them.
Our guards must no only shoot better, but defend the outside shot better. Even if their shot isn't falling, there is no excuse for the Lakers to be giving up so many 3 point shots.
This current Lakers team CAN be a finals contending team if the individual players yank their heads out of their asses and start performing to the standards expected of them. |
You have too high expectations for these guys. Westbrook will miss bunnies at the rim and turns the ball over, it’s who he is. AD will always miss time because he’s injury prone, and doesn’t have an alpha mentality, it’s who he is.
DH and DJ are washed…no amount of focus and will power will bring their speed and explosiveness back.
Our guards have never been good defenders in their careers (besides rondo). Can’t expect them to do what they couldn’t do even in their primes. I’ll give you that our shooters should make open shots.
You want them to play at a level that is unrealistic for most of these guys at this point in their careers. And in some cases…like Russ and AD…they are who they’ve always been and that won’t change.
A+ coaching and effort/focus doesn’t mean anything when the players only have D level physical/mental ability at this point |
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| There's nothing to blow up that isn't already blown up. Where are the picks? Where are the youth? They don't even have one of Randle, Zo, BI or DLo. They need younger talent that can change the dynamic of the team, because they are being run out of the building every night. Warriors and Suns have the perfect mix of young and old talent. It's how they are still relevant with aging stars like Paul and Curry. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| troy wrote: | No, we don't blow anything up. Rob has "blown up" this roster every season since our championship run, and it shows.
What the Lakers need to do is to get the players they have now and force them to respect the game of basketball.
Russell Westbrook CAN NOT miss multiple layups during a single game, nor can he commit multiple turnovers. That is fixable. AD must figure out a way to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he needs to play with absolute determination each and every play. Right before he got hurt during the Twolves game, Karl Anthony Towns outplayed him in every facet of the game. That simply cannot happen.
Our bigmen need to play big. DH and DJ have been in the league long enough to know what their roles are, and what is required of them.
Our guards must no only shoot better, but defend the outside shot better. Even if their shot isn't falling, there is no excuse for the Lakers to be giving up so many 3 point shots.
This current Lakers team CAN be a finals contending team if the individual players yank their heads out of their asses and start performing to the standards expected of them. |
Your plan sounds awesome. But how do you get them all to just “work harder, play better” in actual games instead of the lip service they give in interviews?
Those vets know what they need to do, can they really still do it consistently? There have been moments the players have played exactly as you describe.
Usually for a quarter or so, then the physical and mental lapses return. Just not in their natures to sustain it. For many of our future HoFers, they have always had someone else to do the dirty work. Giving them the freedom to be who they are. You are asking them to consistently play roles they are not used to playing.
I too, hope they can get their heads out of their ***** and find some winning ways. Just not certain the complete healthy roster is even able to accomplish it. We are talking bad habits they have spent a career developing. In all honesty they didn’t have the humility or self awareness to even work on the issues in pre-season. Now they are supposed to fix it mid season? |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | The Lakers of the past are gone. The "new" Lakers since Jeanie took over aren't the same as the ones from the past. We were fortunate to win a ring because Lebron chose us and we were very fortunate that year but other than that, we've been an abysmal team.
More Laker fans should be vocal about an ownership change but I guess I'm the only one who's passionate enough to bring it up. Look at the transformation of the Nets and Clippers after "good owners" took over. |
Your not the only one. Fans tend to follow the media lead on the stories they write. Then come on sports forums and add their spin.
The Lakers ownership is viewed as the darling franchise of the NBA. I don't think no one in the media will be placing blame on ownership, yet. |
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Lebron isn’t getting traded, AD isn’t getting traded, Westbrook isn’t getting traded. After the season management will blame injuries, COVID, sun spots, Jim Buss. Then bring in 8-9 new players next season to try again. They haven’t learned from their mistakes thus far so we shouldn’t expect them to now.
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troy
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | troy wrote: | No, we don't blow anything up. Rob has "blown up" this roster every season since our championship run, and it shows.
What the Lakers need to do is to get the players they have now and force them to respect the game of basketball.
Russell Westbrook CAN NOT miss multiple layups during a single game, nor can he commit multiple turnovers. That is fixable. AD must figure out a way to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he needs to play with absolute determination each and every play. Right before he got hurt during the Twolves game, Karl Anthony Towns outplayed him in every facet of the game. That simply cannot happen.
Our bigmen need to play big. DH and DJ have been in the league long enough to know what their roles are, and what is required of them.
Our guards must no only shoot better, but defend the outside shot better. Even if their shot isn't falling, there is no excuse for the Lakers to be giving up so many 3 point shots.
This current Lakers team CAN be a finals contending team if the individual players yank their heads out of their asses and start performing to the standards expected of them. |
You have too high expectations for these guys. Westbrook will miss bunnies at the rim and turns the ball over, it’s who he is. AD will always miss time because he’s injury prone, and doesn’t have an alpha mentality, it’s who he is.
DH and DJ are washed…no amount of focus and will power will bring their speed and explosiveness back.
Our guards have never been good defenders in their careers (besides rondo). Can’t expect them to do what they couldn’t do even in their primes. I’ll give you that our shooters should make open shots.
You want them to play at a level that is unrealistic for most of these guys at this point in their careers. And in some cases…like Russ and AD…they are who they’ve always been and that won’t change.
A+ coaching and effort/focus doesn’t mean anything when the players only have D level physical/mental ability at this point |
Is it wrong to have high expectations of so many future Hall of Famers? Professional veterans making 10s of millions of dollars per season? There was a reason why this lakers team was projected to win it all at the start of the season. We have good players not playing near their potential. |
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troy
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | troy wrote: | No, we don't blow anything up. Rob has "blown up" this roster every season since our championship run, and it shows.
What the Lakers need to do is to get the players they have now and force them to respect the game of basketball.
Russell Westbrook CAN NOT miss multiple layups during a single game, nor can he commit multiple turnovers. That is fixable. AD must figure out a way to stay healthy, and when he is healthy, he needs to play with absolute determination each and every play. Right before he got hurt during the Twolves game, Karl Anthony Towns outplayed him in every facet of the game. That simply cannot happen.
Our bigmen need to play big. DH and DJ have been in the league long enough to know what their roles are, and what is required of them.
Our guards must no only shoot better, but defend the outside shot better. Even if their shot isn't falling, there is no excuse for the Lakers to be giving up so many 3 point shots.
This current Lakers team CAN be a finals contending team if the individual players yank their heads out of their asses and start performing to the standards expected of them. |
Your plan sounds awesome. But how do you get them all to just “work harder, play better” in actual games instead of the lip service they give in interviews?
Those vets know what they need to do, can they really still do it consistently? There have been moments the players have played exactly as you describe.
Usually for a quarter or so, then the physical and mental lapses return. Just not in their natures to sustain it. For many of our future HoFers, they have always had someone else to do the dirty work. Giving them the freedom to be who they are. You are asking them to consistently play roles they are not used to playing.
I too, hope they can get their heads out of their ***** and find some winning ways. Just not certain the complete healthy roster is even able to accomplish it. We are talking bad habits they have spent a career developing. In all honesty they didn’t have the humility or self awareness to even work on the issues in pre-season. Now they are supposed to fix it mid season? |
I think if we believe what lebron has been conveying, this team of veterans will kick it up come post season. I believe that if lebron and AD are playing at a higher level, then RW will too. I fully believe that this team is much better than they are playing. If you remember, when both AD and lebron were playing, Westbrook was actually playing pretty good , at least for a string of games. The problem came when Anthony Davis went out and Westbrook felt he must compensate for him, that is when we get the pressing, out of control Westbrook. However, if everything is in place for this laker's team, then Westbrook usually plays better. If we could just put together a full month of having all the regular players playing and gelling with each other, I actually still think that we can be a threat in the playoffs. Are we going to win it all, not likely. But I think we can be a true threat and play a good spoiler role. |
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Still optimistic about these lineups:
Russ xxx Ariza Lebron AD
xxx = Monk Reaves Nunn Ellington Melo Bradley |
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