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Who's most too blame for this years poor showing |
Jeanie Buss |
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4% |
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Rob Pelinka |
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42% |
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LeBron James |
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30% |
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Injuries |
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14% |
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OTHER |
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7% |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: WHO'S MOST TO BLAME |
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Who's most to blame for the Lakers falling apart after winning a championship?
I don't know how true it is but it's my understanding LeBron asked for and got the older players on this season's roster. If Jeanie went along with Bron's wishes it showed poor judgment. I'm going to lay most of the blame at the feet of Jeanie Buss. The Buck Stops Here
Jeanie allowed a youthful championship roster to be dismantled for an older more experienced team. The talent is there but a very important ingredient is missing, chemistry. This team does not fit. Also, injuries played a part.
Having said all of that I'll admit I, along with many basketball aficionados, had the Lakers and the Nets in the finals. Now I'm hoping we make the playoffs.
MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎅🎄 _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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PenG_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:34 am Post subject: |
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There's only one GM. Since we don't know who pulled what strings, it's those in charge who are by default the most culpable. Injuries and ownership a close 2nd. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: |
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We all do. Anyone that embraced the James all-in plan had to see this coming at some point.
We experienced the upside of a championship, now we endure the downside of having to pay the bill for the decision. |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:11 am Post subject: |
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LeBron truly has the power on this team. He drives the decision making on the team. If you don't play ball, he looks elsewhere.
So he gets all the accolades but just the same will get all the blame. _________________ Darvin |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: |
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
Just use the James option.
Is there really any difference or separation of the two?
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: |
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
Other _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:03 am Post subject: |
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For those who picked Rob... go stand in front of a mirror and say the words... "Rob Pelinka is more powerful than LeBron James"
If you can't see how absurd you look saying those words, I don't know how else to convince you that you are wrong. |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
Just use the James option.
Is there really any difference or separation of the two? |
Fair enough. No player / agency should have that much influence. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:11 am Post subject: |
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We won the championship last year? I thought the Bucks did, or am I misunderstanding your post? |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | We won the championship last year? I thought the Bucks did, or am I misunderstanding your post? |
No, I misprinted. I'll correct. Good catch.👍🏾 _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: |
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80% Jeannie for giving LBJ (20%) full control. Pelinka 0% because he is not making any decisions. |
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cathy78 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Stop blaming! Or blame yourself for stupid expectations instead of enjoying basketball. |
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hydrohead Star Player
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cathy78 wrote: | Stop blaming! Or blame yourself for stupid expectations instead of enjoying basketball. |
Laker fans without expectations.. _________________ Darvin |
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing happens with the Lakers roster without LeBron's approval. _________________ Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
-Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to say whoever's to blame for the current poor showing, is also likely who was to blame for the championship that we got
And I think the logical answer is.... a group of people. Bron, Pelinka, Jeannie, to a certain extend AD and the coaching staff hopefully.. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like I'm the only one who thinks Jeanie is most to blame.
I chose her because she makes the final decision. When Dr. Buss ran the team he deligated but made the final decision. He took ownness for those decisions. IMO that ownness now belongs to Jeanie. For example, she sidelined Jim Buss.
Bron should be consulted about roster slots and his wants should be considered but Jeanie is the door closer.
I don't know if Ron voiced his opinions on constructing the roster. If he did he shares some blame, making him my second choice for most to blame.
Remember, "Who's most to blame" is the question. IMO, its Jeanie. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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cathy78 wrote: | Stop blaming! Or blame yourself for stupid expectations instead of enjoying basketball. |
I did. I enjoyed the Warriors/ Suns game. Both teams played at a high level and was thoroughly entertaining.
Then I watched the Laker game. Such a difference. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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cathy78 wrote: | Stop blaming! Or blame yourself for stupid expectations instead of enjoying basketball. |
I am enjoying basketball. It's a beautiful game when well played. The Dubs are lighting it up. I watch but don't get much enjoyment watching Lakers games. I don't enjoy losing. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
If Rob can’t say no to Lebron, that’s also his fault. Don’t take the job if you lack the ability to see Russ is a poor fit and DAJ is washed up and all you know how to do is say “yes sir Lebron.” A good GM would have said this is a bad idea and prepare a simple video showing how easy it is to scheme against a Russ team. But Rob is likely dumb enough to have thought Russ’s stats would simply be added to what AD/Lebron do.
It’s literally his job to take the blame. No one credited Klutch or LeGM after we won the title and now half the people here want to blame them.
Rob and Jeanie should be the only options on here. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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The whole situation is weird. We don't really know what Rob is without Klutch/Lebron basically making all the big decisions. At some point, you gotta put your foot down. My gut feeling is that Rob wanted to do the Hield deal, but since Bron/AD/Russ had a "meeting," he gave in to them. It hasn't turned out well, this is where Rob needs to takeover, and takeover for good. Not all this is Russ' fault, but the roster just don't mix, and someone has to go, and that someone is Russ. RP needs to make a trade or it's RIP season. |
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pjiddy wrote: | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Where's the Klutch Sports Group option? |
If Rob can’t say no to Lebron, that’s also his fault. Don’t take the job if you lack the ability to see Russ is a poor fit and DAJ is washed up and all you know how to do is say “yes sir Lebron.” A good GM would have said this is a bad idea and prepare a simple video showing how easy it is to scheme against a Russ team. But Rob is likely dumb enough to have thought Russ’s stats would simply be added to what AD/Lebron do.
It’s literally his job to take the blame. No one credited Klutch or LeGM after we won the title and now half the people here want to blame them.
Rob and Jeanie should be the only options on here. |
You would do the exact same thing in Rob’s position, as would everyone else. The stars have a lot of influence on the team, that’s how NBA works, making.a video to show lebron how Russ wouldn’t fit is basically telling your star player he is dumb, so that’s a no go. I also credit klutch for that title because they basically forced AD here. My issue with rob is how the rest of the roster was filled, not a single backup 4 knowing AD is injury prone? Tons of 6’4 under guards. |
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Until the media starts calling people out it doesn’t matter who is to blame, nothing will change. I agree with the OP, the blame begins at the top. With the exception of one unprecedented season with a 4.5 month midseason break, the teams have been unspectacular under Jeanie’s watch. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LeGM/Klutch _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
Kiss my Converse. |
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Wish we fought harder to keep Zo or BI in the AD deal. We were bidding against ourselves. Any other team would’ve been trading for AD with the fear of it being a rental. |
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