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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:37 pm    Post subject: It’s Lebron’s fault

I’m a huge Lebron fan but let’s be real here. Clearly he pushed management to trade for Westbrook and it was a huge gamble in thinking somehow Westbrook is suddenly going to stop turning the ball over and playing defense just because he is playing for the Lakers. All the guy cares about is stats, and he is either too dumb or just DGAF about playing any kind of defense. Can you imagine what his game will look like in the playoffs? Turnstile defense and turnover galore. Like Skip Bayless says, the guy has no conscious and doesn’t seem to care when he makes a mistake. I wouldn’t mind seeing Westbrook benched for a starting guard lineup of Bradley and Reaves.

Also a huge mistake not a sign a capable SF. Seems like small forwards have been lighting us up because we have no one to guard elite small forwards. I like Ariza bit he is too old, much like Melo. Maybe Barkley was right. We’re just too old to compete. I don’t see how DJ gets so many minutes on the court when he is a minus night after night. BTW why did we sign him? Wouldn’t it have made more send to sign a stretch 5? He is redundant with Dwight on the roster. Hope Pelinka can make some moves for some solid role players who play with effort and intensity on the defensive end.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:40 pm    Post subject:

agreed huge gamble and Lebron/ADs fault somewhat. I bet they wanted him.

Also think we werent going to beat the Warriors or Suns anyways. Those 2 are elite and AD doesnt look like his pre 2020 self.


It was a hail marry type move and backfired but probably didnt have a choice with limited assets and cap room anyways.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:43 pm    Post subject:

BTW for everyone screaming for Buddy Heild, what good is he when his shot isn’t falling? He is completely useless. Derozanwas a pipe dream as the math doesn’t work and he has a history of shrinking in the playoffs. Maybe they can get lucky and get Jeremy Grant.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:47 pm    Post subject:

Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:48 pm    Post subject:

Fire the entire team.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:02 pm    Post subject:

This can’t go into the lebron james thread?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:04 pm    Post subject:

Nnamdi21 wrote:
Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this


Agreed. Had we got hield and kept those you mentioned…I still don’t see us being a title team. Lebron is slowing down and ADs 2020 run is looking like an outlier.

No option this past summer (the ones that we were aware of anyway) would’ve put us in title contention this year. Being stuck with Westbrook for another year is gonna suck tho
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:06 pm    Post subject:

Nnamdi21 wrote:
Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this


Yup, not making the Russ trade wouldn't have mattered that much anyways with Bron missing time and AD not playing like a top 10 player.. All the guys we traded or didn't resign looked awful for much of the second half of the year into the Playoffs when asked to do more. We would have been a bit better defensively but even worse offensively. Without AD balling out as an elite 2 way player this team is not winning much whether it's 2019 or 2021. Then you consider Bron getting older and just simply can't shoulder an entire mediocre roster like he used to with AD out.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:06 pm    Post subject:

This has been stated 10,000 times in the last month yet it deserves another thread?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Nnamdi21 wrote:
Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this


Disagree. Aside from Hield, KCP and Caruso play defense. KCP is a two way player too, something this teams lacks. Defense is our Achilles heel right now. Offense was bound to be figured out. Not worried about that.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:11 pm    Post subject:

PenG_ wrote:
This has been stated 10,000 times in the last month yet it deserves another thread?


Have a feeling another will pop out on our next L.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:13 pm    Post subject:

Lots of people liked getting Westbrook too. Blame this on every casual fan who can't name good role players but think Westbrook, Anthony, and Deandre Jordan were going to contribute meaningfully
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:15 pm    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this


Disagree. Aside from Hield, KCP and Caruso play defense. KCP is a two way player too, something this teams lacks. Defense is our Achilles heel right now. Offense was bound to be figured out. Not worried about that.


We'd be better but cant see us beating the Warriors or Suns who move the ball with purpose while having great defenses. my point was that we were going to be disappointed as is so this move was a desperate move that just failed early.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Nnamdi21 wrote:
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Hield, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso whatever, the vogel offense is ancient compared to other great teams. None of that would of mattered, glad we got one ring out of this


Disagree. Aside from Hield, KCP and Caruso play defense. KCP is a two way player too, something this teams lacks. Defense is our Achilles heel right now. Offense was bound to be figured out. Not worried about that.


We'd be better but cant see us beating the Warriors or Suns who move the ball with purpose while having great defenses. my point was that we were going to be disappointed as is so this move was a desperate move that just failed early.


Absolutely it was a desperate move. But this is also on Bron and AD who sold the idea to Pelinka. As GM you do lean on your stars with these decisions. Honestly surprised Bron thought this could work because most predicted it would be a horrible fit. Faults aside, Kuzma and Harrell could’ve been utilized for a better trade while retaining KCP and Caruso.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:24 pm    Post subject:

offense needs to shift from being too Lebron-centric to Lebron playing off the ball..

but biggest problem is defense though.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:25 pm    Post subject:

It goes beyond Westbrook. LeGM simply dumps assets (as he did in the Russ trade) and then he looks for the next franchise with a plethora of assets.

This time he might just say eff it as I think his family wants to stay in LA.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Lebron and AD played like top 5 players and didn’t miss time in 2020. That was the main reason for our success.

AD has yet to even play like a top 10 player since then and has missed a bunch of time. Lebron has missed tons of games last year and this year so far and his decline has taken him out of the top 5 IMO. That has been the main reason for our struggles past couple seasons.

Arguing about Westbrook vs Hield, Caruso, KCP etc wouldn’t have made that much of a difference. We’d be dropping games with hield and company right now (with Lebron and AD missing time like they have) then a bunch of folks would be screaming why we didn’t we pick up Westbrook to help carry the load.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:52 pm    Post subject:

His availability is the fault. He went from being iron man to sometimes guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:52 pm    Post subject:

Everyone's fault from top to bottom...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:06 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
offense needs to shift from being too Lebron-centric to Lebron playing off the ball..

but biggest problem is defense though.


Only if we get Ben Simmons, is when this will happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:10 pm    Post subject:

2020 NBA CHAMPIONS, WON IT FOR KOBE.

Good enough for me. Thank you KING JAMES
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:33 pm    Post subject:

george w kush wrote:
BTW for everyone screaming for Buddy Heild, what good is he when his shot isn’t falling? He is completely useless. Derozanwas a pipe dream as the math doesn’t work and he has a history of shrinking in the playoffs. Maybe they can get lucky and get Jeremy Grant.


You miss the point. Making the move for Buddy meant that the front office is looking at players that are not in their final days of their NBA career.....look at the roster of this team....they are old. Look at the the teams at the top of the standings, their rosters are mostly made up of guys in their primes of their careers or early 30's.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:55 pm    Post subject:

When it comes to the Lakers, I don’t just enjoy the championship series, I’ve enjoyed the process. I enjoy seeing them succeed with West, Wilt, Goodrich, Kareem, MJ, Nixon, Coop, Wilkes, Landsberger, Worthy, Scott, Rambis, Vlade, Eldon, Van Exel, Ceballos, Eddie, Peeler, Shaq, Kobe, Fisher, Horry, Fox, George, Luke, Cook, Bynum, (young) Trevor, Pau, Lamar, & Artest. I liked anticipating the possible success of various Cinderella players like Goudelock. I hoped and watched for improvement from Randle, Dlo, Ingram, Zubac, Kuzma, Zo, Hart, Caruso, Bryant, & others.

Those days are over for a long time because assets have dried up like Death Valley. It’s weird to me how so many LG posters act like trading six 1st rd picks is no big deal (4 for AD, 1 for Dennis, 1 for Westbrook). Have you not seen the quality of potential players the Lakers could have had??? It’s like people have their heads in the sand when youngsters like Garland and Bane are lighting up the league. Meanwhile, we punted our talent about 1 yr too early, before they matured physically or by NBA standards. Many have done well enough in other uniforms to make those who rooted for them jealous.

This team is devoid of talent, assets, and necessary cap space, while a bunch of mercenaries wear Lakers jerseys. I just don’t care about Bazemore, WEllington, or old Ariza. They’re garbage, not championship material. Westbrook is in no way worth 3 players PLUS a 1st rd pick. This is a crap team and I could see it from day 1. AD admitted it umpteen games into the season, but I’m told it’s wise to wait until we get another short guard (Nunn) in the lineup to see if we can finally guard big guys effectively. (Eyeroll icon)

With no 1st rd picks, I’m forced to keep hoping for the next 2nd rd Isaac Bonga pipe dream to turn into Gilbert Arenas. Go ahead and be happy you won 2 seasons ago while the team sucks for the next 10 years/1820 games. AD couldn’t wait till free agency, and forced the teams hand which cost them dearly. Now he’s fat, happy, shooting poorly, complaining about his teammate’s inability, and has no bright future to look forward to in L.A. But hey, at least he won a ring once upon a time. I don’t even care if they lose anymore because the guys in Lakers jerseys this year are no more than a blip on the radar of Lakers’ history. Rob and player GM’s have ruined this squad and it’s suddenly worse than the Warriors, Suns, and even Clippers.

This team just sucks and isn’t enjoyable to watch. Thank you for blowing up the championship team and turning it into what we have today and into the distant future. I’m done caring about a losing team with no hope.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:06 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:34 am    Post subject:

It's like last season. They collapse w/out AD's presence in the paint. AD is just as important as Lebron to the team's success, if not more.

Lebron will always get his no matter what. He's always been a stats guy.
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