Will likely have to trade a couple top prospects for
Matt Olsen, younger and less expensive version of Freeman.
I think we’re done trading away our top prospects. We need that next wave of players to start taking over because this wave is starting to all graduate and become expensive:
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:09 pm Post subject:
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I still think we could trade at least a couple of our top prospects away. I think Cartaya is probably untouchable after having moved Ruiz, though, as I think he's going to take over for Smith eventually. I don't think we'd move Miller, but perhaps we'd move another top pitching prospect or two. We have more than one highly-rated third base prospect, so maybe one of those could move. And I still think Lux and/or Gonsolin could move in the right deal, depending on what happens in free agency, with an example being if we got Freeman, a move of Lux makes more sense.
I do think that if we did move a couple of top prospects that it would be in a move for a frontline starter, though. I can't see us doing it for a position player.
Japanese outfielder Seiya Suzuki, who was submitted to Major League Baseball's posting system earlier this offseason, will not sign with a club until after the league's owner-imposed lockout is lifted.
However, that hasn't stopped rumors from swirling around the Hiroshima Toyo Carp hitter.
According to a report, the San Francisco Giants and Seattle Mariners are the favorites to sign Suzuki.
The Chicago Cubs and San Diego Padres have also been mentioned as suitors.
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The star outfielder set career highs with 38 home runs and a 1.079 on-base plus slugging percentage last season, and in nine years playing in NPB, hit .315/.415/.571 while making five All-Star teams.
Looks like we're not getting Suzuki. Could be a good cheap signing.
Some free agent predictions:
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Carlos Correa:
-10-year, $330 million deal for Correa, just ahead of the $325 million deal Corey Seager signed with the Rangers.
Freddie Freeman:
-Freeman is reportedly looking for a six-year, $180 million deal, a bit higher than the five years and $135 million the Braves offered.
-Anderson predicts a contract somewhere in the middle, around five years and $160 million.
100. Barry Larkin
99. Phil Niekro
98. Jim Thome
97. Adrian Beltre
96. Charlie Gehringer
95. Duke Snider
94. Bryce Harper
93. John Smoltz
92. Roy Halladay
91. Ryne Sandberg
90. Ivan Rodriguez
89. Shoeless Joe Jackson
88. Willie Stargell
87. Carlton Fisk
86. Roberto Alomar
85. Jim Palmer
84. Paul Molitor
83. Roy Campanella
82. Eddie Collins
81. Mike Piazza
80. Robin Yount
79. Hank Greenberg
78. Chipper Jones
77. Vladimir Guerrero
76. Cap Anson
75. Rod Carew
74. Juan Marichal
73. Willie McCovey
72. Justin Verlander
71. Al Kaline
70. Harmon Killebrew
69. Ozzie Smith
68. Manny Ramirez
67. Brooks Robinson
66. Cal Ripken Jr.
65. Max Scherzer
64. Eddie Mathews
63. David Ortiz
62. Mel Ott
61. Carl Yastrzemski
60. Whitey Ford
59. Miguel Cabrera
58. Steve Carlton
57. Pete Alexander
56. Dave Winfield
55. Reggie Jackson
54. Lefty Grove
53. Oscar Charleston
52. Clayton Kershaw
51. Ernie Banks
50. Bob Feller
49. Frank Thomas
48. Nap Lajoie
47. Warren Spahn
46. Ichiro Suzuki
45. Wade Boggs
44. Tony Gwynn
43. George Brett
42. Nolan Ryan
41. Satchel Paige
40. Jimmie Foxx
39. Yogi Berra
38. Jackie Robinson
37. Joe Morgan
36. Tris Speaker
35. Josh Gibson
34. Pete Rose
33. Bob Gibson
32. Sandy Koufax
31. Mariano Rivera
30. Albert Pujols
29. Johnny Bench
28. Derek Jeter
27. Roberto Clemente
26. Alex Rodriguez
25. Christy Mathewson
24. Randy Johnson
23. Rickey Henderson
22. Tom Seaver
21. Cy Young
20. Rogers Hornsby
19. Frank Robinson
18. Mike Schmidt
17. Roger Clemens
16. Joe DiMaggio
15. Mike Trout
14. Greg Maddux
13. Ken Griffey Jr.
12. Honus Wagner
11. Pedro Martinez
10. Stan Musial
9. Walter Johnson
8. Barry Bonds
7. Mickey Mantle
6. Lou Gehrig
5. Ted Williams
4. Ty Cobb
3. Hank Aaron
2. Willie Mays
1. Babe Ruth
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100. Barry Larkin
99. Phil Niekro
98. Jim Thome
97. Adrian Beltre
96. Charlie Gehringer
95. Duke Snider
94. Bryce Harper
93. John Smoltz
92. Roy Halladay
91. Ryne Sandberg
90. Ivan Rodriguez
89. Shoeless Joe Jackson
88. Willie Stargell
87. Carlton Fisk
86. Roberto Alomar
85. Jim Palmer
84. Paul Molitor
83. Roy Campanella
82. Eddie Collins
81. Mike Piazza
80. Robin Yount
79. Hank Greenberg
78. Chipper Jones
77. Vladimir Guerrero
76. Cap Anson
75. Rod Carew
74. Juan Marichal
73. Willie McCovey
72. Justin Verlander
71. Al Kaline
70. Harmon Killebrew
69. Ozzie Smith
68. Manny Ramirez
67. Brooks Robinson
66. Cal Ripken Jr.
65. Max Scherzer
64. Eddie Mathews
63. David Ortiz
62. Mel Ott
61. Carl Yastrzemski
60. Whitey Ford
59. Miguel Cabrera
58. Steve Carlton
57. Pete Alexander
56. Dave Winfield
55. Reggie Jackson
54. Lefty Grove
53. Oscar Charleston
52. Clayton Kershaw
51. Ernie Banks
50. Bob Feller
49. Frank Thomas
48. Nap Lajoie
47. Warren Spahn
46. Ichiro Suzuki
45. Wade Boggs
44. Tony Gwynn
43. George Brett
42. Nolan Ryan
41. Satchel Paige
40. Jimmie Foxx
39. Yogi Berra
38. Jackie Robinson
37. Joe Morgan
36. Tris Speaker
35. Josh Gibson
34. Pete Rose
33. Bob Gibson
32. Sandy Koufax
31. Mariano Rivera
30. Albert Pujols
29. Johnny Bench
28. Derek Jeter
27. Roberto Clemente
26. Alex Rodriguez
25. Christy Mathewson
24. Randy Johnson
23. Rickey Henderson
22. Tom Seaver
21. Cy Young
20. Rogers Hornsby
19. Frank Robinson
18. Mike Schmidt
17. Roger Clemens
16. Joe DiMaggio
15. Mike Trout
14. Greg Maddux
13. Ken Griffey Jr.
12. Honus Wagner
11. Pedro Martinez
10. Stan Musial
9. Walter Johnson
8. Barry Bonds
7. Mickey Mantle
6. Lou Gehrig
5. Ted Williams
4. Ty Cobb
3. Hank Aaron
2. Willie Mays
1. Babe Ruth
Need to highlight the Duke and Campy. #11 deserves a special Jody Reed asterisk. Seeing Piazza's name reminds me of Sheffield. Both bad defenders but if you told me to choose Sheff's bat vs Piazza's I would choose Sheff by a very small margin for the fact that Sheffield had a decided advantage in batting eye even if Piazza consistently had a higher BABIP
Need to highlight the Duke and Campy. #11 deserves a special Jody Reed asterisk. Seeing Piazza's name reminds me of Sheffield. Both bad defenders but if you told me to choose Sheff's bat vs Piazza's I would choose Sheff by a very small margin for the fact that Sheffield had a decided advantage in batting eye even if Piazza consistently had a higher BABIP
Yeah I’ll do that, thx.
I wanted to claim Pedro but couldn’t since he only gave us one year.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:05 pm Post subject:
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 12111 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:37 pm Post subject:
jonnybravo wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Also I think Kersh is too low on that list. Marvelous, marvelous pitcher with some of the best metrics ever. Should have at least two more Cy youngs.
2017 Trashtros and the 2012 Cy Young cost him at least 10-20 spots on that list. 2012 Cy Young 100% should have been his.
Which is the other Cy Young he should have gottten Cuth?
2015: 16-7, 2.13 ERA, led the league in starts, complete games (4), shutouts (3). Led the Majors in IP (232.2) and SO (301), and FIP (1.99), and SIERA. 173 ERA +, .88 WHIP.
He ended up losing to Jake Arrieta, who had that crazy second half, and Greinke (year of the 1.66 ERA). Certainly no shame in losing to either of them, but he was the best pitcher in the NL (majors, really) as far as what a pitcher can control--Arietta and Greinke had luck and narrative on their side.
And honestly in 2016 he was far and away the best pitcher -- just had that unfortunate injury that cost us probably an all-time season.
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Also I think Kersh is too low on that list. Marvelous, marvelous pitcher with some of the best metrics ever. Should have at least two more Cy youngs.
2017 Trashtros and the 2012 Cy Young cost him at least 10-20 spots on that list. 2012 Cy Young 100% should have been his.
Which is the other Cy Young he should have gottten Cuth?
2015: 16-7, 2.13 ERA, led the league in starts, complete games (4), shutouts (3). Led the Majors in IP (232.2) and SO (301), and FIP (1.99), and SIERA. 173 ERA +, .88 WHIP.
He ended up losing to Jake Arrieta, who had that crazy second half, and Greinke (year of the 1.66 ERA). Certainly no shame in losing to either of them, but he was the best pitcher in the NL (majors, really) as far as what a pitcher can control--Arietta and Greinke had luck and narrative on their side.
And honestly in 2016 he was far and away the best pitcher -- just had that unfortunate injury that cost us probably an all-time season.
Ah yeah okay. I was looking at his bio and looking only for his 2nd place finishes. His 2nd place to Scherzer in 2017 was about right. I didn't even look at 2015. Forgot he came in 3rd that year. I think Greinke should have gotten it over Arrieta if it wasn't going to be Kershaw that year. It was a really tight race and Arrieta finishing the last few weeks on fire cemented him for the media. _________________ KOBE
Also I think Kersh is too low on that list. Marvelous, marvelous pitcher with some of the best metrics ever. Should have at least two more Cy youngs.
2017 Trashtros and the 2012 Cy Young cost him at least 10-20 spots on that list. 2012 Cy Young 100% should have been his.
Which is the other Cy Young he should have gottten Cuth?
2015: 16-7, 2.13 ERA, led the league in starts, complete games (4), shutouts (3). Led the Majors in IP (232.2) and SO (301), and FIP (1.99), and SIERA. 173 ERA +, .88 WHIP.
He ended up losing to Jake Arrieta, who had that crazy second half, and Greinke (year of the 1.66 ERA). Certainly no shame in losing to either of them, but he was the best pitcher in the NL (majors, really) as far as what a pitcher can control--Arietta and Greinke had luck and narrative on their side.
And honestly in 2016 he was far and away the best pitcher -- just had that unfortunate injury that cost us probably an all-time season.
Ah yeah okay. I was looking at his bio and looking only for his 2nd place finishes. His 2nd place to Scherzer in 2017 was about right. I didn't even look at 2015. Forgot he came in 3rd that year. I think Greinke should have gotten it over Arrieta if it wasn't going to be Kershaw that year. It was a really tight race and Arrieta finished the last few weeks on fire. _________________ KOBE
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm Post subject:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
Another thing to consider is whether he wants to play for the Dodgers. He seemed pretty betrayed with how they handled it. He should understand why they did what they did, but probably falls on deaf ears. In any event, money talks, and (bleep) walks . . . but TB seems pretty filled with it . . .
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Maybe. Different burden of proof for what a DA need versus for what the Dodgers would need in a union dispute against Bauer. (Although, maybe the MLB has some quirky rules I'm not aware of.) The Dodgers almost certainly have morality clauses built into the contract that would cover what Bauer did, even if it didn't rise to the requisite level of criminality in the DA's eyes.
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
Another thing to consider is whether he wants to play for the Dodgers. He seemed pretty betrayed with how they handled it. He should understand why they did what they did, but probably falls on deaf ears. In any event, money talks, and (bleep) walks . . . but TB seems pretty filled with it . . .
If that's the case, I'm sure he wouldn't have opted in. I think he's a smart enough guy to understand what the Dodgers did and why they did it. They put him on administrative leave to allow the investigation to continue and continued to pay him.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject:
oasisdude77 wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
Another thing to consider is whether he wants to play for the Dodgers. He seemed pretty betrayed with how they handled it. He should understand why they did what they did, but probably falls on deaf ears. In any event, money talks, and (bleep) walks . . . but TB seems pretty filled with it . . .
If that's the case, I'm sure he wouldn't have opted in. I think he's a smart enough guy to understand what the Dodgers did and why they did it. They put him on administrative leave to allow the investigation to continue and continued to pay him.
You are probably right on the rest, but I respectfully disagree with the bolded. You wouldn't leave that much salary on the table. Force the team to either cut you or trade you, but keep the $$ you contracted for
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:48 pm Post subject:
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Correct.
Again, I'll be shocked if he ever throws another pitch for the Dodgers. It's one thing if the DA decides that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty of criminal wrongdoing. Bauer, for his part, did say today that he never punched her. His attorneys were not saying that in open court during the last hearing about the restraining order that the woman was seeking. But there's still the matter of the woman's brutal injuries. As I've said all along, anything short of a total exoneration here (basically, the woman would have to recant and say she made it up and injured herself, or another witness would have to come forward and say that the woman admitted that she injured herself or something), and I think MLB still imposes a lengthy suspension and I think the Dodgers want no part of this PR disaster.
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
I think the difference was that the Lakers stood behind Kobe because of how much credibility he built around the organization. He was a Laker for 8 seasons by then and won championships with the team so they really had no choice but to stand with him and let the entire thing play out. Trevor Bauer on the other hand was barely there for a couple of months and then got into legal trouble. The organization didn't look like they supported him and he's probably annoyed with how it all played out. Either way he's going to get paid, the criminal justice system deciding there was nothing there means the Dodgers don't have an out from paying the remainder of his contract.
Play him then. I don't actually believe the Dodgers made a moral decision when they stopped playing him--it was a CYA, optics driven one. No need for that anymore. People have a short attention span, by start 5, no one will care.
I can guarantee you the DA did way more digging into what actually happened than what MLB or the Dodgers were able to come up with. If they found nothing, than they don't really have a case to dissolve his contract.
Yeah, it's a tough call here for the Dodgers. But I think you have to keep him and play him. You're paying the man and he is not even being tried. Hell, Kobe was charged and went to trial and he still played.
I think the key for him is to show a bit of contrition for what happened. Apologize for what he did and let people know that he's trying to get better. Let his teammates know the same thing as well.
I agree with Cutheon. Eventually, people will forget and move on. It'll be brutal in places like SF and SD, but he seems to like being in these hostile environments, so maybe this would help him pitch better.
I think the difference was that the Lakers stood behind Kobe because of how much credibility he built around the organization. He was a Laker for 8 seasons by then and won championships with the team so they really had no choice but to stand with him and let the entire thing play out. Trevor Bauer on the other hand was barely there for a couple of months and then got into legal trouble. The organization didn't look like they supported him and he's probably annoyed with how it all played out. Either way he's going to get paid, the criminal justice system deciding there was nothing there means the Dodgers don't have an out from paying the remainder of his contract.
The difference is Ray Rice and the #metoo movement.
Anything that has to do with domestic violence or sexual assault after these 2 incidents are dealt with differently today.
If the Kobe incident happened today, I don't think the Lakers would allow him to play.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of one player after Ray Rice and #metoo who's been allowed to play while facing DV or sexual assault charges.
Off the top of my head:
1) Julio Urias
2) Tyreke Hill
3) Felipe Vázquez
4) Marcell Ozuna
5) SF Giants CEO Larry Baer
Also I think Kersh is too low on that list. Marvelous, marvelous pitcher with some of the best metrics ever. Should have at least two more Cy youngs.
In the most definitely for what it's worth section, since I place such weight on ERA+(or-) (along with body of work, era dominance and post season play--not rings or titles as according to EVERYONE else) I have Kersh just out of my top ten. As it is, I'd go with (with ESPN"S pitchers ranking noted in parens):
1 Walter Johnson (1)
2 Lefty Grove (17)
2 Christy Mathewson (8) 3 Pedro Martinez (2)
2 Cy Young (6)
3 Roger Clemens (4)
3 Randy Johnson (7)
3 Pete Alexander (18)
3 Greg Maddux (3)
10 Sandy Koufax (10) ... and was
11 Whitey Ford (19), but now I go with Kersh (16) (though he is slipping a bit while Scherzer (20) is still strong and could pass him. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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