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JamaalWilkes
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:48 am Post subject: Imagine if the Lakers did not trade or dump all the young talent they draft |
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The management's strategy now seems to be "forget the future, just win now" with an approach to keep shuffling in new players every season.
But imagine if we had the patience to keep the amazing draft picks and not let them walk or trade them away...
Not only is the below a solid team, but it's a team I think many of us fans would love cheering for, more than the the rent-a-players that come and go each season:
Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
D'angelo Russel
Ivica Zubac
Lonzo Ball
Alex Caruso
Jordan Clarkson
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
Larry Nance Jr.
Svi Mykhailiuk
Mix in the occasional free agent signing in spots needed, like scoring SG, and you have a roster of home-grown fan favorites.
I know we don't have a time machine, and there's now way to know if we would have won a ring with these guys, but there's something about seeing a team grow into its own versus the pawn the future to rent-a-ring approach.
Would you prefer to see the Lakers more patiently develop their young talent or continually pawn it and reassemble every season or two with new big name talent?
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:49 am Post subject: |
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I'll take the 1 ring.
There is no way you keep all of them at the price it would have cost to keep them. Plus, they would all develop differently. Jules/BI I don't see them co-existing. |
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Zhengi
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There would be no rings.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Imagine if the Lakers did not trade or dump all the young talent they draft |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | The management's strategy now seems to be "forget the future, just win now" with an approach to keep shuffling in new players every season.
But imagine if we had the patience to keep the amazing draft picks and not let them walk or trade them away...
Not only is the below a solid team, but it's a team I think many of us fans would love cheering for, more than the the rent-a-players that come and go each season:
Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
D'angelo Russel
Ivica Zubac
Lonzo Ball
Alex Caruso
Jordan Clarkson
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
Larry Nance Jr.
Svi Mykhailiuk
Mix in the occasional free agent signing in spots needed, like scoring SG, and you have a roster of home-grown fan favorites.
I know we don't have a time machine, and there's now way to know if we would have won a ring with these guys, but there's something about seeing a team grow into its own versus the pawn the future to rent-a-ring approach.
Would you prefer to see the Lakers more patiently develop their young talent or continually pawn it and reassemble every season or two with new big name talent? |
No, I don't see that as an especially good team myself |
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Bol
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Probably couldn't have paid all those guys. Even if they could, I don't think that team makes it past the first round. Maybe second round at best. |
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troy
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My only question is why did Pelinka allow our championship team to disband.
Even if he couldn't retain certain players, he could have replaced them will players of similar playing styles.
Vogel had a finals proven winning system in place two seasons ago, and Pelinka failed to maintain it. That is 100% on Rob. |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| I know, right? Hard-earned first round exit > championship |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Zhengi wrote: | | There would be no rings. |
Or there would be multiple rings.
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rock0100
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Zhengi wrote: | | There would be no rings. |
Or there would be multiple rings. |
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the tree.
Our odds for a title increased drastically with our moves and we still have a 2-3 year window to capitalize. |
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anth2000
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Zhengi wrote: | | There would be no rings. |
Or there would be multiple rings. |
Nah, I don't think there would be any without Lebron here. All the young guys have really become non-leaders, just contributors. You need leaders to win.
With that said, there would have been no way to pay all these guys.
Lebron and Davis are the reason we won the 2020 championship....all these young guys wouldn't have been able to do it... |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Borderline playoff team that would be in salary cap hell. |
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venturalakersfan
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| rock0100 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Zhengi wrote: | | There would be no rings. |
Or there would be multiple rings. |
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the tree.
Our odds for a title increased drastically with our moves and we still have a 2-3 year window to capitalize. |
That bird is missing two wings, one leg and half a beak. No one is putting that on the mantle.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: |
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What this tells me is that Pelinka should value 1st round picks more because his scouting staff led by Jesse Buss is very good.
Desmond Bane would sure be nice right now instead of whatever they got out of Schrõder last season.
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:32 am Post subject: |
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This dream is so far gone. Fun hypothetical but it is not even relevant anymore. So many variations of players movement along the way. Whether by contract, trade or chemistry. Long gone!
Lakers sold their souls to James/Klutch. It resulted in a ring.
Whatever drama they have while he remains or any ruins he leaves when he retires is all secondary. Doesn’t mean I particularly like it or don’t contemplate the “what if’s’, but this is where we are. I’ve come to accept it. |
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activeverb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| troy wrote: | My only question is why did Pelinka allow our championship team to disband.
Even if he couldn't retain certain players, he could have replaced them will players of similar playing styles.
Vogel had a finals proven winning system in place two seasons ago, and Pelinka failed to maintain it. That is 100% on Rob. |
I think that's the better question. Everything starts with Lebron and AD. After that, it just seems there's been a lot of change for the sake of change, rather than change with a strategic purpose (other than, maybe, acquiring bigger names.) |
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| Would be a playoff team but no championships or deep playoff runs. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: |
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If LeBron still is here I think the only person that would be compromised would be Ingram because he can't play the 2.
But a starting lineup of
Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
LeBron James
Julius Randle
Thomas Bryant
Would probably be a dream for LBJ
Clarkson and Nance Jr off the bench would also help us immensely.
For as highly as people think of LBJ I don't know how anyone could think that was a first round exit of a team.
Randle's improved 3 point shot and ability to open up the wings on the outside due to the fact he needs to be double teamed inside would help LBJ a lot and open up the three for Russell, Lonzo and Bryant. LeBron would be able to do the same. And with Randle's three he'd also be a spot up option.
Lonzo is also the perfect kind of point guard next to LeBron and Russell is the guy that can go off for 20+ a night and a killer mentality. I think Ingram would eventually be odd man out and not wanting to come off the bench and would wind up traded to a team to do his thing like he's doing now as I don't think he settles for being a 6th man behind LeBron till LBJ retired.
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Imagine if the Lakers did not trade or dump all the young talent they draft |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: |
Julius Randle - 21.8
Brandon Ingram - 29.5
D'angelo Russel - 30
Ivica Zubac - 7.5
Lonzo Ball - 18.6
Alex Caruso - 8.6
Jordan Clarkson - 12.4
Thomas Bryant - 8.7
Josh Hart - 12
Larry Nance Jr. - 10.7
Svi Mykhailiuk - 1.9
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Interesting that you left off Kuz.
$161.7 million in salary for those 11 guys compared to $151.2 for our current squad of 15. Add in another $7.5 million to fill out that roster with minimums and $5 million for Deng. That's $174.2 with luxury tax of $124.5 million, so:
Current Lakers = $203.2 million (including tax)
Keeping the kids = $298.7 million (including tax)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | If LeBron still is here I think the only person that would be compromised would be Ingram because he can't play the 2.
But a starting lineup of
Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
LeBron James
Julius Randle
Thomas Bryant
Would probably be a dream for LBJ
Clarkson and Nance Jr off the bench would also help us immensely.
For as highly as people think of LBJ I don't know how anyone could think that was a first round exit of a team. |
Randle didn't want to play with LBJ and asked out - that's why the Lakers pulled their qualifying offer and made him an unrestricted free agent.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If LeBron still is here I think the only person that would be compromised would be Ingram because he can't play the 2.
But a starting lineup of
Lonzo Ball
D'Angelo Russell
LeBron James
Julius Randle
Thomas Bryant
Would probably be a dream for LBJ
Clarkson and Nance Jr off the bench would also help us immensely.
For as highly as people think of LBJ I don't know how anyone could think that was a first round exit of a team. |
Randle didn't want to play with LBJ and asked out - that's why the Lakers pulled their qualifying offer and made him an unrestricted free agent. |
Randle asked for a 2nd year on his contract. He didn't ask out. The Lakers stupidly let him walk because they didn't feel he was worth a 2nd year.
That excuse would actually have made the Lakers look WORSE had it been the case.
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I was wondering how many games it would take for this sentiment to be put in a new post.
5 games it is. An annual rite. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:24 am Post subject: |
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The biggest regret will be losing Brandon Ingram..
IMO he is already better than AD..
Sure we got a ring, but AD is declining and Ingram is well on his way to being a top 5 player in the league |
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| RusselDoeee01 wrote: | The biggest regret will be losing Brandon Ingram..
IMO he is already better than AD..
Sure we got a ring, but AD is declining and Ingram is well on his way to being a top 5 player in the league |
I don't think Ingram is nearly as good as AD, offensively or, especially, defensively.....
What Davis needs is a better coach....yesterday was an example of that. Good sequences in the first half, sucks ass in the second half settling for perimeter shots... |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: |
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I wish we had the young guys and no rings.
Love it.
But we fight for the playoffs tho lolz |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | The biggest regret will be losing Brandon Ingram..
IMO he is already better than AD..
Sure we got a ring, but AD is declining and Ingram is well on his way to being a top 5 player in the league |
I don't think Ingram is nearly as good as AD, offensively or, especially, defensively.....
What Davis needs is a better coach....yesterday was an example of that. Good sequences in the first half, sucks ass in the second half settling for perimeter shots... |
Brandon Ingram looks like the kind of player Lakers fans would watch for 4 years in a terrible market and a terrible front office and wish he was on our team.
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