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Nonamehero Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:32 pm Post subject: Never let your players be your GM. I thought MJ already taught us that. |
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MJ is the GOAT basketball player.
Does amazing things on the court.
Is basically super man with a basketball in his prime.
Yet he is one of the worst GM ever in the game.
I see in MJ documentary trashed Jerry Krause a lot.
But really he built an amazing team around MJ every season and reloaded when necessary to continue to compete at highest level.
Yes he probably had a lot of beef with Phil, but clearly he is the better GM compare to Phil and MJ.
MJ probably would had 0 championships if he was allowed to built his own team.
Now wtf we let Lebron choose Westbrook in our last window for championship.
LeGM had never made a good move ever.
The CAV basically listened to all his trade demands and ended up building a team he left.
LeGM stack the card with Wade and Bosh, when he probably should have never team up with Wade since their game doesn’t really compliment each other. He probably could have succeeded more with Bosh and another all star player instead, though SPO in the end did make it work and Wade took a step back.
Why did Pelinka listened 100% to LeGM on one of the biggest decision.
Players should be players, GM should be GM.
Does Pelinka not have a brain of his own??
This ain’t NBA 2k where Lebron and AD said they are cool with Russ, and we trade for him.
This season will go down as the biggest disappointment in Lakers history.
Way worst than Malone and Payton season, since that team had championship aspiration and played really well together.
But Malone getting injuried, and Kobe have the rape case.
The Piston Lakers series was heavily reffed in the favor of Piston favor, Shaq couldn’t look at Chauncey Billups and not be called a foul. The league didn’t want kobe to win that year with so much bad press.
Anyways going off topic.
I really hope we somehow find a dumb team that willing to take Westbrook off our hand, and end this nightmare.
Or else we would find ourselves in basketball mediocrity for a long Ling time. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Logo.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like this is a fairly generic vent/rant that could go in any number of existing threads. No need to start a new one, other than the OP's ego of wanting his fairly generic thoughts to stand out. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Cool story. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Logo.
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This feels racist somehow. _________________ Under New Management |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Why do people still distrust LeBron.. so confusing
How many seasons.. how many Finals appearances? |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:39 am Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Logo.
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End of thread. |
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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:16 am Post subject: |
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LBJ has been GM since he got to the Lakers, 1 title so far, not bad. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 am Post subject: |
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AD23 wrote: | LBJ has been GM since he got to the Lakers, 1 title so far, not bad. |
1 title and in the middle of purgatory. He depletes a team from having sustainable success. Look at Heat and Cleveland after he left. Then you look at the teams that did have sustainable success because they had a good front office; 80 Celtics, 80 Pistons, 90 Bulls, Spurs, Warriors, Lakers (Jerry West era), etc... is winning a championship the ultimate goal and that's it or being in contention to win the championship every year and potentially winning 1, 2, 3...? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | AD23 wrote: | LBJ has been GM since he got to the Lakers, 1 title so far, not bad. |
1 title and in the middle of purgatory. He depletes a team from having sustainable success. Look at Heat and Cleveland after he left. Then you look at the teams that did have sustainable success because they had a good front office; 80 Celtics, 80 Pistons, 90 Bulls, Spurs, Warriors, Lakers (Jerry West era), etc... is winning a championship the ultimate goal and that's it or being in contention to win the championship every year and potentially winning 1, 2, 3...? |
GS got peak Steph for pennies because of a lucky contract. Bulls signed Pippen to a contract in which he took less cap space than Mo Williams, because of CBA rules no longer in place. Kobe and Duncan stayed with their teams for what, 20 years? Lebron was the central piece for success, just like Duncan and Kobe. His teams were only "depleted" because he was no longer there. The city of Cleveland hadn't won a sports championship in 50 years. They weren't supposed to go all in? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Just 1 championship, huh? It's so easy to do that that almost 1/3rd of the NBA has yet to win a championship. |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:37 am Post subject: |
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The days of great GMs are over. It’s players’ league now. Superstars determine who they want to pair up and where they want to end up. GMs are just their to make sure they happens. Unless you want to be like Utah, Milwaukee, small market teams have to have patience to succeed, but this is LA, we are the Lakers, Buss family will always prefer star names over longevity of slow progress. |
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Nonamehero Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | AD23 wrote: | LBJ has been GM since he got to the Lakers, 1 title so far, not bad. |
1 title and in the middle of purgatory. He depletes a team from having sustainable success. Look at Heat and Cleveland after he left. Then you look at the teams that did have sustainable success because they had a good front office; 80 Celtics, 80 Pistons, 90 Bulls, Spurs, Warriors, Lakers (Jerry West era), etc... is winning a championship the ultimate goal and that's it or being in contention to win the championship every year and potentially winning 1, 2, 3...? |
Yes exactly, Lebron won championship despite his LeGM, not because of it.
Miami pairing with Wade wasn’t even the ideal situation for him. Though it did make sure he didn’t have to compete with Wade.
And Cleveland, trading for Kevin Love didn’t really help. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Lebron depleted Miami's future by covertly injecting Wade's knees full of fluid and giving Bosh life threatening blood clots.
LeGM really ruins teams smh |
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roger_federer Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Lebron is a great player. As GM he sucks.
Every season lebrons Pet media talks about how bad his teams are compared to others and he didnt have enough help. As soon as he sits or misses games, his teams collapse. What kind of good GM does same mistake again and again |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | Then you look at the teams that did have sustainable success because they had a good front office; 80 Celtics, 80 Pistons, 90 Bulls, Spurs, Warriors, Lakers (Jerry West era), etc... is winning a championship the ultimate goal and that's it or being in contention to win the championship every year and potentially winning 1, 2, 3...? |
Well, all those teams that had "sustained success" drafted a GOAT/MVP-level player who stayed with the team his entire career. Easier said than done, especially in the modern era.
Unless you are lucky enough to snag a Kobe, Duncan, Curry, etc. out of the draft, I am not sure it's possible to have the kind of sustained success you are discussing. And given how players bolt teams now even after winning a ring, we might be in an era where that kind of "sustained success" is even more uncommon.
Over the last 11 years, 8 different teams have won rings. I think the one-and-done champions are going to become more common than they were in the past. |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Nevertheless you as a GM have to give in to the superstar that brought you a championship and not be at odds against him. LBJ love him or hate him is a basketball mind in a way not seen by many. Pelinka knows that he has to make him know that this is his team, and that going at odds with him would be a tremendous mistake. As he would want to break away and not care about the team. So in a way Pelinka is smart and has to play the game. |
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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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You guys have changed my mind. Bring back the young guys. I enjoy trying to make the playoffs and maybe winning a series. Maybe in 25 yrs we win a chip lolz
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: |
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roger_federer wrote: | Lebron is a great player. As GM he sucks.
Every season lebrons Pet media talks about how bad his teams are compared to others and he didnt have enough help. As soon as he sits or misses games, his teams collapse. What kind of good GM does same mistake again and again |
how many finals did LeGM went to?
as a clipper fan, you should know a good example of "never let your players be the GM" -Elgin Baylor |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Stumpy25 wrote: | Nevertheless you as a GM have to give in to the superstar that brought you a championship and not be at odds against him. LBJ love him or hate him is a basketball mind in a way not seen by many. Pelinka knows that he has to make him know that this is his team, and that going at odds with him would be a tremendous mistake. As he would want to break away and not care about the team. So in a way Pelinka is smart and has to play the game. |
Unless you are lucky enough to draft a guy who turns into a star and sign him to a long-term deal, you usually only have a 2-3 year window before a star can opt out. Hard not to cater to the whims of an MVP level player, because if you don't, he'll just leave. This is the hardest era to be a GM. |
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Nonamehero Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Stumpy25 wrote: | Nevertheless you as a GM have to give in to the superstar that brought you a championship and not be at odds against him. LBJ love him or hate him is a basketball mind in a way not seen by many. Pelinka knows that he has to make him know that this is his team, and that going at odds with him would be a tremendous mistake. As he would want to break away and not care about the team. So in a way Pelinka is smart and has to play the game. |
You just tell Lebron the spacing won’t work.
Westbrook doesn’t compliment your game or AD.
And he doesn’t play team defense.
You need a shooter, let’s trade for Buddy, we can get him for cheaper.
And keep alot of our current rosters.
Lebron will be like NO I am LEGM, must trade for Russ? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | Then you look at the teams that did have sustainable success because they had a good front office; 80 Celtics, 80 Pistons, 90 Bulls, Spurs, Warriors, Lakers (Jerry West era), etc... is winning a championship the ultimate goal and that's it or being in contention to win the championship every year and potentially winning 1, 2, 3...? |
Well, all those teams that had "sustained success" drafted a GOAT/MVP-level player who stayed with the team his entire career. Easier said than done, especially in the modern era.
Unless you are lucky enough to snag a Kobe, Duncan, Curry, etc. out of the draft, I am not sure it's possible to have the kind of sustained success you are discussing. And given how players bolt teams now even after winning a ring, we might be in an era where that kind of "sustained success" is even more uncommon.
Over the last 11 years, 8 different teams have won rings. I think the one-and-done champions are going to become more common than they were in the past. |
Great talent isn't winning anything, unless they have a team around them. A fitting team. Jordan wasn't winning anything, until they drafted Pippen, got a team, and got a good coach.. Also players are not considered great, unless they work towards their greatness and fulfill their potential. You're talking about the finished product of the player and not the work the player did before they met their greatness. Hell, Curry wasn't even considered a great, until he worked at it. Work ethic is the key component. They became great on the team, drafted by the front office. The front office put a team around the great player to be successful and have sustainable success.
The front office have to be competent and also have a great team up there. This Lakers front office doesn't seem too good and it's hard to see sustainable success, with the moves they have made over the past few years. A champship is great, but are they able to sustain contention is the question. If they are leaning on Bron to do their work, then they are definitely not good, and I don't see that as a recipe towards sustainable success. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:20 am Post subject: |
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The "1" Championship Lebron brought was dedicated to Kobe, and that alone makes it worth more than any possible others in the near future imo. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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If LeGM had his way (and who happens to be on his way to becoming a billy goat), he opens up his wallet to keep his fellow goat from becoming a bull. He probably incentivizes dude even more so they don’t have to fight over who gets #6.
Melo would have been here yesteryear….along with another banana boater…instead we went with the wrong Schlong from Okc.
In lieu of our current coaching configuration, Vogs is probably an assistant sitting next to Dudz, with LeGM guns for more of a title proven coach to add to his posse.
Did Rob/Kurt get consultation from LeGM before they made our big moves? Of course! Dude will green light another star coming in to help with the load…especially after carrying so much of it after we struck out on Kawhi. But how are you going to blame dude for us being asset deprived at the moment? Did he surrender our draft flexibility by giving Griff those ridiculous deferment options? Good grief! Did he refuse to pay a luxury tax so that we could keep all our key free agents as well as entertain flipping Schro for more parts via a S&t?
Every star has a say in the matter of a FO’s decision making. But if Bron truly had carte blanche, most of his moves would be 🚀 (aka striving for greatness). So all that penny pinching wouldn’t be fit for a Kang imho.
Meanwhile, MJ’s team is one of 3 teams to be 3-0 at the moment. MJ was against Krause for putting a clock/ceiling on the team that won 6 titles in 8 years. Krause/Reinsdorf didn’t want to spend to keep that team together as well as pay the goat….don’t act like we haven’t seen that ACt before? _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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