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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:01 pm    Post subject: We would be the favorite to win this year had we traded for Buddy

Especially since Kyrie Irving has suspended himself.

Westbrook has negative impact on a winning team.
Anyone who can’t see that hasn’t follow his game, and just reading stats.

His game is too one dimensional and ball dominant, he sucks at off ball.
And he has low self awareness and low bb IQ.

The dude has talent, but at his age and his skill set, it just doesn’t fit on a championship aspiration team in this day and age.
We need exactly what Buddy Hield provide.
Which is a knock down shooter that create space for Lebron and Davis.
Buddy Hield is shooting at a clip of Klay Thompson right now.

Westbrook manage to not get past first round after Durant left.
And had the Thunder kept Harden and traded Westbrook, they probably already won a championship.

A prime Durant couldn’t even play with him at his prime.

We were all wishing Westbrook is more mature now and can play sidekick to Lebron and Davis.

But that’s not even his game, the dude is lost out there on the basketball court if he is not going at 1000% speed.

Washington traded John Wall (who is pretty much useless) for Westbrook, yet we gave up our championship piece for him. (We could have Buddy Hield)

Pelinka failed.

And Lebron being the Goat, is just a crappy GM, which follows the footstep of MJ.
But it is clearly GM fault for listening 100% to Lebron on this.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:03 pm    Post subject:

I have a theory that Westbrook was always the weakest link among the original OKC trio of Durant, Harden, and Westbrook. They should have traded Westbrook for a big and kept Harden.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:38 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
I have a theory that Westbrook was always the weakest link among the original OKC trio of Durant, Harden, and Westbrook. They should have traded Westbrook for a big and kept Harden.

Durant and Harden win a title in OKC for sure. They’ll probably win a title this year and they’re both past their physical prime.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:03 am    Post subject:

I don't understand why people on this board wanted LeBron to be our only ball-handler and playmaker, at age 36-37, on a fast-break team nonetheless.

If you guys had gotten your way, LeBron may have been tired and/or hurt/injured by the start of the playoffs.

I know Westbrook isn't exactly an ideal fit, but it can work, and if it works we can be a dominant team.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:16 am    Post subject:

Hield is more one dimensional. He's a shooter and if his shot isn't falling he's pretty much useless. So many players that shot well on other teams have come to the Lakers and something about the bright lights and the big city and the pressure has resulted in a decline in their shooting abilities. I don't think Hield wins a championship.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:17 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
I have a theory that Westbrook was always the weakest link among the original OKC trio of Durant, Harden, and Westbrook. They should have traded Westbrook for a big and kept Harden.


They should have let Ibaka go. Picking Ibaka over Harden was the mistake.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:34 am    Post subject:

Buddy isn't better or more impactful than Russ

But the combination of Buddy/KCP/Caruso might be.

We can't give up on Russ yet... but if he isn't able to assert his will physically anymore then we squandered a huge opportunity to go with those three.

He has the heart and the right mentality... but it remains to be seen if he hasn't lost a step.

You can tell LBJ is moving like he's older but he's compensating for it by improving his shooting and skills.

If Russ is starting to decline physically then he's of little use to anyone, unless he too can improve his shooting.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:18 am    Post subject:

That's why it's good to have great basketball minds like Jerry in the organization to go to for advice in situation like this. Westbrook is very similar to DS. So if DS couldn't work out, why would Westbrook? We've already tried everything with DS but to no avail. Westbrook had tried to fit in alongside Harden but also to no avail.

No idea what this FO was thinking when they traded for Westbrock. I think going for Westbrook instead of Hield would go down as one of the greatest blunders from the Lakers if they fail to win the chip with a fully healthy AD and Lebron.

Yes, this team would be absolute beast with Hield in place of Westbrook because when we won #17, we had Green who was having a bad year in place of WB. Two superstars in the starting lineup with perfectly fit roleplayers seem to be the key to success. Yet somehow we deviated from that. Everyone just wanted more and more star power on the team. Westbrook and Melo? Who the hell was in charge? Idiots!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:47 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
That's why it's good to have great basketball minds like Jerry in the organization to go to for advice in situation like this. Westbrook is very similar to DS. So if DS couldn't work out, why would Westbrook? We've already tried everything with DS but to no avail. Westbrook had tried to fit in alongside Harden but also to no avail.

No idea what this FO was thinking when they traded for Westbrock. I think going for Westbrook instead of Hield would go down as one of the greatest blunders from the Lakers if they fail to win the chip with a fully healthy AD and Lebron.

Yes, this team would be absolute beast with Hield in place of Westbrook because when we won #17, we had Green who was having a bad year in place of WB. Two superstars in the starting lineup with perfectly fit roleplayers seem to be the key to success. Yet somehow we deviated from that. Everyone just wanted more and more star power on the team. Westbrook and Melo? Who the hell was in charge? Idiots!!


I see what you are trying to say that that DS and Westbrook might be somewhat similar players but Westbrook is also immensely more talented than DS.

Hield is a nice role player but in comparison someone like Danny Green always brought the ability to defend when his shot was off. Hield can only shoot and occasionally drive to the rim when you run at him, but he needs to be shooting well. If his shot becomes less effective like so many other players that have come to the Lakers he becomes a liability. We want players that are multi-skilled and can contribute in more than one way. Westbrook and Green do/did that. Hield not so much.

I don't think Melo was brought in for star power. He's a role playing scoring boost off the bench more geared towards playing with the second team and he does a good job of that.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: We would be the favorite to win this year had we traded for Buddy

Nonamehero wrote:
Especially since Kyrie Irving has suspended himself.

Westbrook has negative impact on a winning team.
Anyone who can’t see that hasn’t follow his game, and just reading stats.

His game is too one dimensional and ball dominant, he sucks at off ball.
And he has low self awareness and low bb IQ.

The dude has talent, but at his age and his skill set, it just doesn’t fit on a championship aspiration team in this day and age.
We need exactly what Buddy Hield provide.
Which is a knock down shooter that create space for Lebron and Davis.
Buddy Hield is shooting at a clip of Klay Thompson right now.

Westbrook manage to not get past first round after Durant left.
And had the Thunder kept Harden and traded Westbrook, they probably already won a championship.

A prime Durant couldn’t even play with him at his prime.

We were all wishing Westbrook is more mature now and can play sidekick to Lebron and Davis.

But that’s not even his game, the dude is lost out there on the basketball court if he is not going at 1000% speed.

Washington traded John Wall (who is pretty much useless) for Westbrook, yet we gave up our championship piece for him. (We could have Buddy Hield)

Pelinka failed.

And Lebron being the Goat, is just a crappy GM, which follows the footstep of MJ.
But it is clearly GM fault for listening 100% to Lebron on this.


Isn’t there a piss & moan thread? Well bring it back & sticky it!!! Instead of all these new threads bit(thing after first game of season!

OMG… Root for another team already, instead of P&M & clogging up new posts bout same crap!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Hield wasn't what we needed, we needed a two way wing with some size.

Someone in the Otto Porter Jr mold (but ideally better, more athletic shot creator) type of guy who could start on the wing.

We won a title with Lebron at PG and keep going away from it. Let him do what he does best and surround him with guys who can shoot and defend.

Your reducing his load by having other shot creators out there, doesn't have to be a PG.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:55 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
I have a theory that Westbrook was always the weakest link among the original OKC trio of Durant, Harden, and Westbrook. They should have traded Westbrook for a big and kept Harden.


or they should have just paid Harden an extra 3 million and run it back and won the Championship and been Golden State before Golden State was Golden State.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject:

BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Hield wasn't what we needed, we needed a two way wing with some size.

Someone in the Otto Porter Jr mold (but ideally better, more athletic shot creator) type of guy who could start on the wing.

We won a title with Lebron at PG and keep going away from it. Let him do what he does best and surround him with guys who can shoot and defend.

Your reducing his load by having other shot creators out there, doesn't have to be a PG.


My thoughts exactly. They strayed away from their bread & butter. Bron at point/AD at the 5 + three 3&D players was our starting 5 in the FINALS. Now it's WB at point with BRON/AD/DJ + one 3&D player.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject:

Some people talk about Buddy Hield like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

He is not all that.....

Good player? Sure.....but not the savior...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
I have a theory that Westbrook was always the weakest link among the original OKC trio of Durant, Harden, and Westbrook. They should have traded Westbrook for a big and kept Harden.


Well, it seems Westbrook doesn't wanna ever work on his shot and the technical aspect of his game. He relies too heavily on speed and athleticism. He's 32, still with no shot and making bone head plays.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:10 pm    Post subject:

Guys Harden is a better player than Westbrook but winning a title with just those 2 as in Harden and Durant???? Point me a year and I will say the champion who won would have beaten a Durant, Harden, Ibaka team. Now if Harden had championship intangibles, I would agree that Harden would have definitely given them a better shot but that guy is a bonafide weak-minded choker the tighter the game and the best series he was a part of, the comeback against the Clippers, they made the run with him on the bench in Game 6 because he was stinking it up as usual and mentally checked out. You really think a beta male like KD and a choker like Harden will lead a team to the title???? No way in hell and that goes for this year as well. Their title hopes rest on Kyrie being all in
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:38 pm    Post subject:

ducasse wrote:
Hield is more one dimensional. He's a shooter and if his shot isn't falling he's pretty much useless. So many players that shot well on other teams have come to the Lakers and something about the bright lights and the big city and the pressure has resulted in a decline in their shooting abilities. I don't think Hield wins a championship.


Buddy is not just a shooter. You don't average 21ppg in one NBA season as a one-dimensional shooter. Buddy's spike skill is shooting, but his offensive game is far more refined than just shooting.

The Lakers would be far away the favorite with Buddy. The team has not had a legit 3rd option to pair with AD/Lebron and Buddy is pretty much the perfect 3rd option. He would be the best player Lebron/AD have played with since joining the Lakers.

He would also make Lebron/AD better. Lebron is great without spacing. Imagine how he would do with spacing?

Kuzma for Buddy was an absolute steal for the Lakers.

This team is winning it all:

KCP / Nunn / Rondo
Buddy / AC / THT
Lebron / Ariza
AD / Melo
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:41 pm    Post subject:

BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Hield wasn't what we needed, we needed a two way wing with some size.

Someone in the Otto Porter Jr mold (but ideally better, more athletic shot creator) type of guy who could start on the wing.

We won a title with Lebron at PG and keep going away from it. Let him do what he does best and surround him with guys who can shoot and defend.

Your reducing his load by having other shot creators out there, doesn't have to be a PG.

A killer 3 point shooter was definitely one of our biggest needs... someone who shoots high % on high volume 3s off screens and such. Lebron has feasted on having such players like Mike Miller, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver. And Hield isnt just a 3 point specialist, he is a scorer too where his 19ppg in the last 3 seasons will make him a very good #3 option for the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Totally theoretical but I think Buddy doesn't help pull as many ring chasers. I wanted Buddy but even Vogel may not be able to help hide him. Then the drama is Vogel only playing him 24mpg and sitting him to close in favor of the few 3&D guys we have.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:16 pm    Post subject:

anth2000 wrote:
Some people talk about Buddy Hield like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

He is not all that.....

Good player? Sure.....but not the savior...


It's mostly frustration. When the Lakers are struggling, it's easy to declare that some alternative reality, which can never be tested, would have been unquestionably successful.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:49 pm    Post subject:

anth2000 wrote:
Some people talk about Buddy Hield like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

He is not all that.....

Good player? Sure.....but not the savior...


He's a much better fit to the Lakers offense which is a heavy dose of Lebron. Westbrook can't stretch the floor like Hield can. WB needs the ball to be effective but the Lakers need the ball in Lebron's hands in order to dominate.

We've had this issue with DS last year and couldn't solve it. Now, we're doing same thing with Westbrook expecting a different result. Insane? No. Stupid? Yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: We would be the favorite to win this year had we traded for Buddy

Nonamehero wrote:
Especially since Kyrie Irving has suspended himself.

Westbrook has negative impact on a winning team.
Anyone who can’t see that hasn’t follow his game, and just reading stats.

His game is too one dimensional and ball dominant, he sucks at off ball.
And he has low self awareness and low bb IQ.

The dude has talent, but at his age and his skill set, it just doesn’t fit on a championship aspiration team in this day and age.
We need exactly what Buddy Hield provide.
Which is a knock down shooter that create space for Lebron and Davis.
Buddy Hield is shooting at a clip of Klay Thompson right now.

Westbrook manage to not get past first round after Durant left.
And had the Thunder kept Harden and traded Westbrook, they probably already won a championship.

A prime Durant couldn’t even play with him at his prime.

We were all wishing Westbrook is more mature now and can play sidekick to Lebron and Davis.

But that’s not even his game, the dude is lost out there on the basketball court if he is not going at 1000% speed.

Washington traded John Wall (who is pretty much useless) for Westbrook, yet we gave up our championship piece for him. (We could have Buddy Hield)

Pelinka failed.

And Lebron being the Goat, is just a crappy GM, which follows the footstep of MJ.
But it is clearly GM fault for listening 100% to Lebron on this.


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:07 pm    Post subject:

Caruso ballin AF for the Bulls. Looks like he's being used as a PG. Would love to have him and Hield instead of what we have now.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:16 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:18 pm    Post subject:

troy wrote:
Caruso ballin AF for the Bulls. Looks like he's being used as a PG. Would love to have him and Hield instead of what we have now.



I was never a fan of Lonzo Ball but he's looking pretty good too: not playing out of control, playing good D and hitting outside shots better than when he was w/ Lakers.
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