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Nonamehero Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:18 am Post subject: I think a lot of people are just trying to COPE with the Westbrook situation |
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By thinking positive.
But seriously if this trade haven’t gone through.
I don’t know why anyone in this world would think this is a great idea.
Westbrook is subtraction by addition in his normal state.
Yes MAYBE somehow we can get this to work, but it is definitely not given.
And the fit is just so bad, that even if it works, the ceiling is not high, what he brings to the table is very redundant with what Lebron brings.
You don’t give up so much assets for this type of risk.
If he was able to come in on MLE or sth, that would make sense.
I see people grasping at the fact he WAS a MVP a few seasons ago, Malone and Payton were considered top players too before coming to LA, how did that work out. Though in that scenario, we didn’t gut our roster for them, so it was worth the risk.
He can average triple double, cool put him on your fantasy league, but he is not a winning player, he makes bone headed plays over and over in the playoff. Even last year in the playoff, he make a lot of boneheaded plays.
Beal was the only one keeping them in games.
If we given that much for Bradley Beal, I would understand, he is a great fit.
But in no universe is westbrick worth it and on top his crazy salary.
Like wtf did we offer a package for Beal and then wizard said naw but you can have westbrick for the same offer, and we just said yes??
And yes we need to trade kuzma and Harrell, but we need to get someone that fits in return, and not accept a player that wizards wanted to get rid of anyways.
And on top of that we offered KCP and a pick??! Wtf is going on?
KCP is a positive contribution to the team in term of defense and shooting, yes his shooting is streaky sometimes, but he fits on this team, which is a big question mark for Westbrick.
And why the heck didn’t wizard give us a pick for us instead??
And yes Lebron and AD are buddies with Westbrick.
But you don’t make a team with just buddies, and players can be the worst GM, hence MJ.
You can have 2 players that hate each other and still work on the court.
Hence Kobe and Shaq.
Brotherly love ain’t gonna get us buckets if there is no spacing.
And spacing is not the most worrying aspect.
It is how is it realistic to expect a 32 years old westbrick to suddenly stop being boneheaded in playoff when he been doing it his whole career?
Why is that even a realistic expectation? |
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Laker_Jocker Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Couldn't put this in the WB thread? |
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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: |
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COOL STORY |
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ssiknick833 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Laker_Jocker wrote: | Couldn't put this in the WB thread? |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lol. Cope? I'm excited AF _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Kobetan Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Kobetan wrote: | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
Jump off a bridge lolz |
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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HE WILL
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Nonamehero Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Kobetan wrote: | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
Laugh now while you can.
When we get bounced in the first round not because of injury, we will all be crying together. |
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mykolbeta Sixth Man
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Laker_Jocker wrote: | Couldn't put this in the WB thread? |
_________________ Peace & Love |
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think everyone who is down on this trade should stay home when we have a parade in 2022. |
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Dominator Star Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:02 am Post subject: |
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People are trying to cope with terrible threads like this one |
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Harlemlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Kobetan wrote: | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
BOOOOOOOOOOOOM! |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Finally, someone else calls him Westbrick. High five!
LG loves Westbrick so that's a very bad sign. Somehow, I think Lebron and AD would still bail him out because they're that good when healthy. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024 |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Not a huge Westbrook fan but I think LBJ knows he is declining and needs another playmaker next him to allow him to play at the PF. If he can limit his bad shot selection, the positives will outweigh the negatives. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:40 am Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | Finally, someone else calls him Westbrick. High five!
LG loves Westbrick so that's a very bad sign. Somehow, I think Lebron and AD would still bail him out because they're that good when healthy. |
Ok let’s expand on this for a second. I’m not the biggest Russ fan, can’t believe I’m defending him
1. Russ is an all out, athletic PG…with below average shooting.
2. Russ is a rhythm shooter. If he gets hot, he gets hot.
Now for the important parts:
1. Russ has never played with 2 imposing superstars that garner as much attention as LBJ and AD. Obviously I’m not counting the baby Thunder.
2. Defenses having to look out for a Lebron or Russ rim attack while the other two are cutting to the basket. That’s awfully tough for a defense to keep track of when you have 3 elite guys putting pressure. So long as Lebron and AD don’t just stand on the perimeter and they won’t when it matters.
3. If that wasn’t tough enough, imagine the other 2 guys on the floor are shooters. Even if it’s AC and Hield. AC is so smart on the court that he opens things up as the screener, etc. and we know teams will stick someone on Hield at all times. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:29 am Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | Finally, someone else calls him Westbrick. High five!
LG loves Westbrick so that's a very bad sign. Somehow, I think Lebron and AD would still bail him out because they're that good when healthy. |
How so?
And actually a “bad sign” of what? I’m not sure I even understand what that sentence means. Fans liking a player or not like any player doesn’t mean much of anything. I was talking all types of spicy when Dwight came back to us the second time. We can see how that went lol |
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:35 am Post subject: Re: I think a lot of people are just trying to COPE with the Westbrook situation |
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Nonamehero wrote: | By thinking positive. |
You're right, but part of the coping is moving on. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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BEazy Star Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Kobetan wrote: | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
Perfectly put, I agree 100%. |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:17 am Post subject: |
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as a die hard Laker fan this is beyond sad. Unless Westbrook can miraculously transform into a different player (he couldnt 2 years younger with Harden), we basically cemented shut our championship window with Lebron. And whats all the more painful is that this was a completely self inflicted move made with other moves possible that would have clearly made this a better team from last season. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: Re: I think a lot of people are just trying to COPE with the Westbrook situation |
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Nonamehero wrote: | By thinking positive. But seriously if this trade haven’t gone through. I don’t know why anyone in this world would think this is a great idea.
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Well, obviously people who are paid by the Lakers, thought it is a good idea, people who are paid by the Lakers for their opinions, not some random internet opinion!
Nonamehero wrote: |
Westbrook is subtraction by addition in his normal state.
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What STATE is that? He's back home in California now!
Nonamehero wrote: |
Yes MAYBE somehow we can get this to work, but it is definitely not given.
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News Flash: Nothing in LIFE is a "given"!
Nonamehero wrote: |
And the fit is just so bad, that even if it works, the ceiling is not high
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LOL, please explain how a guy who just averaged a triple double has a "low" ceiling...
Nonamehero wrote: |
what he brings to the table is very redundant with what Lebron brings.
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THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT! I'll go ahead and assume you watched some games last year, do you recall what typically happened to Laker leads when Lebron went out and Schroeder was left to run the team? (LEADS EVAPORATED) - That will not happen when Westbrook is left to run the show, in fact, since he is a BETTER assist guy than LeBron, I expect Davis's scoring to increase next season, with Westbrook's ability to score at the rim, Davis will be able to get a ton of pick n' rolls...!
Nonamehero wrote: |
You don’t give up so much assets for this type of risk.
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The Lakers gave up, two average guys (KCP & Harrell) and two late first round draft picks for a Hall of Fame guy! Or looking at it another way; THREE Bench players and a guy (KCP) who would be on the Bench for nearly every other team in the NBA! Now, that doesn't sound like too much to me!
Nonamehero wrote: |
If he was able to come in on MLE or sth, that would make sense.
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Dude, it's not your money paying his salary...
Nonamehero wrote: |
Malone and Payton were considered top players too before coming to LA, how did that work out.
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WRONG - Karl Malone was 40 and ready to RETIRE when he signed with the Lakers, he had 17 straight years averaging 20-31ppg and with the Lakers he averaged 13..! Then retired immediately after the season! Payton was 35 and had been a great PG, but floundered when put into the Triangle ofense (which does not need a star PG)!
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Though in that scenario, we didn’t gut our roster for them, so it was worth the risk.
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How was bringing in a 35 & 40 year old ex-stars and getting killed by the Pistons in the Finals "worth the risk"...LOL
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And on top of that we offered KCP and a pick??! Wtf is going on?
KCP is a positive contribution to the team in term of defense and shooting, yes his shooting is streaky sometimes, but he fits on this team, which is a big question mark for Westbrick.
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"Sometime streaky" really? Only sometimes? Let's compare:
KCP = 9.7ppg - 2.7rpg - 1.9apg ---- FG% = 41.3%
West = 22.2ppg - 11.5rpg - 11.7apg ---- FG% = 41.9%
Your hero KCP shot a lower FG percentage and had "slightly" lower numbers across the board, wouldn't you say?
Nonamehero wrote: |
Brotherly love ain’t gonna get us buckets if there is no spacing.
And spacing is not the most worrying aspect.
It is how is it realistic to expect a 32 years old westbrick to suddenly stop being boneheaded in playoff when he been doing it his whole career?
Why is that even a realistic expectation? |
You want much TV? (Big Bang Theory doesn't count), I'm talking about NBA related TV? Did you have to see what two PROFESSIONAL Sports guys said about the trade? I'm referring to ex-Celtic (and Laker hater) Perkins - he loved the Trade for the Lakers and explained in depth why it will work and why the Lakers will now win the West! Same with Stephen A. Smith!
Anyone paying you for for thoughts on this trade?
(I thought so...)
In closing, I can see how a non-critical thinker would incorrectly approach this, and I can see your logic, looking at how Westbrook, never one a championship with Durant, Harden or Beal, but you can rest assured he has NEVER played with anyone like LeBron and has never played with a PF as talented as Davis....
So step back, bite your lip and WATCH WHAT HAPPENS....! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Kobetan wrote: | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
FACTory
I would prefer Lowry but Westbrook is a beast. Imagine last years team being ran by Westbrook when Lebron and AD went down. No play in tournament. Also AD and Lebron had to keep telling DS they want to see the same aggressiveness when they get back. You won’t have to have that conversation with Westbrook. And lastly Poor George best season was when he played next to Westbrook. I hope he could do the same for Lebron _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:37 am Post subject: |
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audioaxes wrote: | as a die hard Laker fan this is beyond sad. Unless Westbrook can miraculously transform into a different player (he couldnt 2 years younger with Harden), we basically cemented shut our championship window with Lebron. And whats all the more painful is that this was a completely self inflicted move made with other moves possible that would have clearly made this a better team from last season. |
So now we’re blaming him for Houston’s loss? Lol I also find it funny when you say he didn’t change to play with James. He actually did but whatever _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi
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