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Triumph
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I wanted to see Russ just drive into the teeth of the defense and try to jam it on Bjelica, Draymond, and Toscano.  At the very least be yourself, not this non-aggressive poor spot-up shooting Russ. Nobody wants that.
At least with Melo he did not change his game at all, just all iso mid-range jumpers and spot up 3 pointers. He knows who he is. |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Triumph wrote: | I wanted to see Russ just drive into the teeth of the defense and try to jam it on Bjelica, Draymond, and Toscano. At the very least be yourself, not this non-aggressive poor spot-up shooting Russ. Nobody wants that.
At least with Melo he did not change his game at all, just all iso mid-range jumpers and spot up 3 pointers. He knows who he is. |
Yep, I wanted to see this too. I'm just hoping he still can do it.
If you can't penetrate against Looney and Bjelica... I'm not sure who you can do it against. |
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Nash Vegas
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Vogel needs to find a way to make Westbrook work, because right now he’s playing Westbrook as an offball SG.
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lakez34
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't doubt that Westbrook will willingly adjust his game and fit in. problem I think we all have is he's not a shooter and with Bron and AD on the court he's not adding value in the half court. We have to draw up plays to get him in action off the post or get into a situation where he's running the show and Bron and AD are off ball but that negates their value. ultimately we're going to have to run him a lot with the backups. |
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BandwagonLBJhopper
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking about it more - part of this is on Vogel. He just rolled the ball out and assumes it will just work out. Then makes it worse having him off ball all game even when Lebron sat.
He needs to step it up. |
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Lakerz113
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| I knew the beginning lineup would be shaky, but I expected LBJ to sit and Russ to come in with a spread offense. Lots to figure out, but the lineups were all over the place. I know Vogel is sending a message to players who don’t step up defensively, but you need some specialists on the floor. Can we just get some sort of offensive assembled ? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Vogel needs to find a way to make Westbrook work, because right now he’s playing Westbrook as an offball SG. |
Stagger Westbrook with LeBron. With lebron dominate the ball, what else can Westbrook do? |
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | Thinking about it more - part of this is on Vogel. He just rolled the ball out and assumes it will just work out. Then makes it worse having him off ball all game even when Lebron sat.
He needs to step it up. |
Rondo Russ backcourt needs to come to an end.
Hopefully more Avery Bradley |
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BandwagonLBJhopper
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Vogel needs to find a way to make Westbrook work, because right now he’s playing Westbrook as an offball SG. |
Stagger Westbrook with LeBron. With lebron dominate the ball, what else can Westbrook do? |
He has to start cutting off ball. Or we need more ball movement which will prob never happen since both Lebron and Davis are ball stoppers. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of tonight was on Vogel for sure. Westbrook needs to be better but he wasn't put in a good position to succeed tonight.
There are no situations where Westbrook, Rondo, and DAJ or Dwight should all be on the floor together. And if you do play Westbrook and Rondo together you can't keep the ball in Rondo's hands and take Westbrook off ball.
Westbrook and Lebron shouldn't both be sitting at any point. When Lebron is out that is Westbrook's time to do his thing.
It will get better. But I'm sure it isn't the start to the season he was hoping for. And I do think some of that is on Vogel. He needs to try to put him into a position to succeed early while they figure out how to play together. |
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lakersfever714
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Stop blaming it on Vogel. MDA is an offensive genius and he couldn't make Westbrick work with Harden after a whole season. Don't blame the mechanics if you gave him (bleep) parts. Blame it ALL on Rob Pelinka. He's the one that traded for DS and Westbrick. He's the one that gave Vogel all these (bleep) tools. Should have just kept the championship team. Could have been going for 3-peat right now.
Mr. Pelinka, if it ain't broke, why'd you fix it?
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Kblo247!
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Stop blaming it on Vogel. MDA is an offensive genius and he couldn't make Westbrick work with Harden after a whole season. Don't blame the mechanics if you gave him (bleep) parts. Blame it ALL on Rob Pelinka. He's the one that traded for DS and Westbrick. He's the one that gave Vogel all these (bleep) tools. Should have just kept the championship team. Could have been going for 3-peat right now.
Mr. Pelinka, if it ain't broke, why'd you fix it? |
Because the idiot fans threatened to kill Danny Green and his wife and he expressed that the Lakers fans were not good for his mental health |
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Kblo247!
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Vogel needs to find a way to make Westbrook work, because right now he’s playing Westbrook as an offball SG. |
Stagger Westbrook with LeBron. With lebron dominate the ball, what else can Westbrook do? |
He has to start cutting off ball. Or we need more ball movement which will prob never happen since both Lebron and Davis are ball stoppers. |
No he needs to start by contesting outside shots over cheating to get rebounds which aren’t there like on his team. They got daggered because he was leaked down there waiting to steal a board. He ran AD out of bounds trying to steal a board. He spun Rondo in a circle trying to steal a board. He gave up a pool 3 trying to steal a board.
If he followed the words Melo so fully says … f out of here they got it!!, he would be better off and the teams defense would too because where Caruso and KCP were contesting shots much like Baze was contesting shots, he wasn’t. Rondo and Melo contested more threes than he did which is sad.
If he stopped cheating for boards and stats he can be on the break already and Bron, Rondo, AD would all hit a streaking Russ so he could score easy and get 6-8 cheap points. But the triple double bs hunter can’t help this team except on nights when Bron and AD sit out games. He needs to be the OKC one who had the sense to let Perk, Ibaka, and KD board while he ran out |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | Thinking about it more - part of this is on Vogel. He just rolled the ball out and assumes it will just work out. Then makes it worse having him off ball all game even when Lebron sat.
He needs to step it up. |
It’s a simple message to, take care of the ball. If Russ wasn’t turnover happy in the preseason he would have had the ball. Say whatever about Dennis having tunnel vision but he took care of the ball |
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BynumForThree
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I wonder if there is a significant overlap between Westbrook and KG fans. They’re always talking about stupid **** like “intensity” and “swagger” that don’t even matter.
But I’m sure Westbrook will do a complete 180 and take care of the ball, learn to shoot, start playing defense and move without the ball in his hands.
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Lebron has gotten to freelance his whole life. While Russ benefits most from an organized offense.
Lebron instinctually dominates the ball in the 4th.
As does Russ.
A lot has to change. |
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blackmamba08
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Nothing more than a clown on the court. With him you cannot play nothing 5on5.
Huge job for Vogel to keep him on the bench as much as possible. I am kind of sorry for Franck. I think he will pay the price on the end without being responsible for it. I am sure no-one asked him before trade was done does he wants Westbrook or not. |
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| I don't understand why he can't shoot and never practiced on that aspect of his game. If he could shoot, my goodness he would be that much better. Similar to Zo. Though, Zo's IQ, passing, pace overall being a floor general and defender is far superior than Westbrook's. I just don't think he (Westbrook) works that hard on the game he lacks, because he is comfortable with his speed and athleticism ruling over the technical aspect of his game. Not working on the technical aspect of his game is gonna hurt us. To be honest, there's no reason he still can't shoot, unless he didn't prioritize it. |
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lakurluv
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Hey Russ (Brody) if you happen to read this post, I have something to share...
Aside from welcome back home to the Lake-Show!
Yeah it's being said over the media already after the six-pre season losses and now the first regular season defeat.
Just be YOU, play your game, don't try to fit in, you already fit, just Do you and attack the basket and good things will happen!
At first I didn't realize why the FO chose to bring in Westbrook, however, now after 7 games in, I can see. They want to be able to leverage his ability to attack the basket as more of a smaller LBJ, but with the same strength and athleticism. When LBJ attacks the rim it automatically creates for his teammates and it will do the same for Russ (I've mentioned his name at least 4 different ways in this post). I suspect we may lose the next game as well, but after that, 8 is the number of new beginnings, so we should start winning from there. I don't predict an 80-2 season, however I do expect this team to make the playoffs and then it's up to them!
We believe in you Russ, your Triple-Doubles will come, but don't think, just play, you don't have to impress, LBJ or AD, they wanted you there and so here we are, LET'S GO!!! |
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PICKnPOP
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Paint is clogged and that kills WB game. I think he will look better with AD at center and another shooter on the court. They should also stagger his minutes with lebrons. The other issue is rondo and Westbrook. Hard to play his game when he’s always sharing ball handling duties with someone else on the court.
I never wanted him here and I’ve always said it’s impossible to win with him on your team, but now that he’s on our team we gotta make it work. He has a lot of holes in his game, but he’s much better than he’s shown so far.
With a player like him you have to change your team to fit his skillset and not the other way around. I wonder if he would be willing to come off the bench. He would be an amazing change of pace guard and it would be like have two starting lineups out there.
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he needs to put head down and do what he does. I get he has to accommodate superior talent around him but his aggressiveness will pay dividends.
to passive early on. We need "edgy" Russ. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Westbrook has to learn to shoot.
And to move without the ball. He just passes and stops.
Never moves without the ball.
The solution right now is to bench Westbrook and use him to sub
Lebron. Where he can be ball dominant.
Russ has to spend a lot of time shooting and working on his shot.
He has to admit he is a terrible shooter and find a way to fix it. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Brodie is still not sure what to do out there, overthinking, Vogel need to let him know he has the green light to attack the basket |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| laker50 wrote: | Westbrook has to learn to shoot.
And to move without the ball. He just passes and stops.
Never moves without the ball.
The solution right now is to bench Westbrook and use him to sub
Lebron. Where he can be ball dominant.
Russ has to spend a lot of time shooting and working on his shot.
He has to admit he is a terrible shooter and find a way to fix it. |
That's like asking Lebron to shoot 85% from the FT line. We have to improve the team based on the actual skills of our players. |
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