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Megaton
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lakerican
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | @pjiddy: Lakers as a collective shot 35.4% from 3 last year. The Wiz shot 35.1%
https://go.nba.com/c9ty
On a minimum of > 100 3pa for the season, the Lakers best 3p shooters (> 35%) were:
McLemore (114a) 37%
Gasol (122a) 41%
AC (137a) 40%
Bron (285a) 37%
Kcp (293a) 41%
Kuz (380a) 36%
For the Wiz:
Neto (164a) 39%
Mathews (198a) 38%
Beal (375a) 35%
Bertans (428a) 40%
For reference, Russ (bleep) 32% on 273 attempts.
So the point is, the Wiz’s shooters took more attempts, but their shooting wasn’t necessarily what led to Russ and his playmaking being so effective. Russ didn’t really need their shooting to put up league leading numbers in playmaking.
As for how we get Russ via trade: you are correct that the easiest way is for Trez to opt in and get dealt. Or we S&t him, if he agrees to it after opting out. THT is also another option to be S&t and since he would be BYC (for example if he signed @ 11m using his early bird, he would count as 5.5m in outgoing salary), we would need to sign our #22 (2m) and fully guarantee McKinnie to aggregate them along with Kuz/Kcp to get the money right for Russ.
I know we lose our best 3ball shooter in Kcp, but imho elevating Bron as a scoring threat outweighs that risk.
Anyways, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this cause I don’t share your disastrous outlook if Russ was the target this summer.
Btw, keeping Marc, while reupping McLemore, Kieff and Wes on minimums while still using the miniMLE to go find more shooting are not as restrictive mechanisms to help surround a Bron/AD/Russ trio since we wouldn’t be hard capped. We can even keep AC at an above the market price and shoot past the apron since Rob said Jeanie/ownership had no problem spending the tax this summer. |
Well...
Remember, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly...
You post the Good Numbers.
Here is the Bad : Kieff 209 attempts - 31%
Here is the Ugly : AD 100 attempts - 26%
Now, start 31Russ with 26AD, then when Davis move to the five, Enter Stretch 4, 31Kieff...
Really, LOL!! Someone said we will need a 45Bron, maybe that's true. |
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vasashi17+
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| lakerican wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | @pjiddy: Lakers as a collective shot 35.4% from 3 last year. The Wiz shot 35.1%
https://go.nba.com/c9ty
On a minimum of > 100 3pa for the season, the Lakers best 3p shooters (> 35%) were:
McLemore (114a) 37%
Gasol (122a) 41%
AC (137a) 40%
Bron (285a) 37%
Kcp (293a) 41%
Kuz (380a) 36%
For the Wiz:
Neto (164a) 39%
Mathews (198a) 38%
Beal (375a) 35%
Bertans (428a) 40%
For reference, Russ (bleep) 32% on 273 attempts.
So the point is, the Wiz’s shooters took more attempts, but their shooting wasn’t necessarily what led to Russ and his playmaking being so effective. Russ didn’t really need their shooting to put up league leading numbers in playmaking.
As for how we get Russ via trade: you are correct that the easiest way is for Trez to opt in and get dealt. Or we S&t him, if he agrees to it after opting out. THT is also another option to be S&t and since he would be BYC (for example if he signed @ 11m using his early bird, he would count as 5.5m in outgoing salary), we would need to sign our #22 (2m) and fully guarantee McKinnie to aggregate them along with Kuz/Kcp to get the money right for Russ.
I know we lose our best 3ball shooter in Kcp, but imho elevating Bron as a scoring threat outweighs that risk.
Anyways, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this cause I don’t share your disastrous outlook if Russ was the target this summer.
Btw, keeping Marc, while reupping McLemore, Kieff and Wes on minimums while still using the miniMLE to go find more shooting are not as restrictive mechanisms to help surround a Bron/AD/Russ trio since we wouldn’t be hard capped. We can even keep AC at an above the market price and shoot past the apron since Rob said Jeanie/ownership had no problem spending the tax this summer. |
Well...
Remember, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly...
You post the Good Numbers.
Here is the Bad : Kieff 209 attempts - 31%
Here is the Ugly : AD 100 attempts - 26%
Now, start 31Russ with 26AD, then when Davis move to the five, Enter Stretch 4, 31Kieff...
Really, LOL!! Someone said we will need a 45Bron, maybe that's true. |
🤫 let’s just get everybody on board with Russ first. No need for details.
Seriously though, last year was a bit of an outlier for both those guys. AD’s previous 5 seasons were 32%, 30%, 34%, 33%, 33%. Maybe dude’s health had something to do with it?
Meanwhile for Kieff’s last 5 seasons, he shot 30%, 36%, 37%, 34% 39%.
As for Bron, he doesn’t have to be a spot up sniper. He just needs easy scoring ops and less on ball responsibilities during the regular season. Then after a quick pit stop in Miami, rage on in the playoffs. Speaking of which, Russ for Bron, would be Rajon on steroids. |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ^I like it a lot more if there’s a way to do it without giving up KCP. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | ^I like it a lot more if there’s a way to do it without giving up KCP. |
Is it legal to S&T both DS and Trez (with Kuz and picks) to match salary? |
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pjiddy
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| governator wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | ^I like it a lot more if there’s a way to do it without giving up KCP. |
Is it legal to S&T both DS and Trez (with Kuz and picks) to match salary? |
Trez would have to opt in. We don’t have his bird rights. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Other than Beal who other than Westbrook do the wiz have we like. |
Thomas Bryant, Bertans, Deni Avdija, Ish Smith. |
Rui Hachimura is a humble dude, and I can see him breaking the 20 ppg mark in a few years. He's probably their best asset after Beal.
I love Thomas Bryant, but he needs to injury-proof himself as a big man in the league. |
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Woj: Scott Brooks to Portland 
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I'd have preferred the Lakers go after Kenny Atkinson. But now he'll be taken by the Warriors as an assistant. Get with it Lakers!
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Lamar's Bud
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Brooks choosing POR comes as no surprise when he's billed as the top assistant.
Perhaps it was always a "thing", but to me it's become far more commonplace during the past 10-15 years for teams to actually distinguish a "top" assistant and/or give them the title of "Associate Head Coach".
Of course there is the possibility that I just could have been completely naive to the practice, but my recollection is that it just didn't seem to be so widely announced 10-15 years ago like the way it is today. |
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hydrohead
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| Lamar's Bud wrote: | Brooks choosing POR comes as no surprise when he's billed as the top assistant.
Perhaps it was always a "thing", but to me it's become far more commonplace during the past 10-15 years for teams to actually distinguish a "top" assistant and/or give them the title of "Associate Head Coach".
Of course there is the possibility that I just could have been completely naive to the practice, but my recollection is that it just didn't seem to be so widely announced 10-15 years ago like the way it is today. |
i don’t remember it being a big deal either. With Fiz likely getting that role, may mean a potential offense coordinator will need to be comfortable without that title. Should still have options.
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