Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: Bill Cosby to be released from prison
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Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction will be overturned and the 83-year-old comedian will be released from prison after the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court issued an opinion to vacate his conviction Wednesday.
Pennsylvania’s highest court overturned the conviction after finding an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented Cosby from being charged in the case.
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison. So he basically learned nothing, doesn't feel remorse and because he's rich had the money to keep appealing he's out.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:11 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:11 am Post subject:
Very disappointing. Just further evidence of why it is so difficult to see sexual predators actually pay for their crimes and why so many victims hesitate to even come forward. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright?
1) Court found a previous document where they agreed not to prosecute him.
2) Trial court judge let in testimony by other women he had raped. PA supreme court ruled that unfair.
Only this current case was within the statue of limitations. All the previous women he assaulted were outside the statue of limitations.
So the MF gets to go home without ever admitting guilt or apologizing.
All American institutions are built to protect the rich and powerful. Normally that means rich white men, but Cosby was let into their club by virtue of his fame and popularity.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:27 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright?
1) Court found a previous document where they agreed not to prosecute him.
2) Trial court judge let in testimony by other women he had raped. PA supreme court ruled that unfair.
Only this current case was within the statue of limitations. All the previous women he assaulted were outside the statue of limitations.
So the MF gets to go home without ever admitting guilt or apologizing.
So refusing to accept parole led to the original conviction being looked at by the state Supreme Court? How? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright?
1) Court found a previous document where they agreed not to prosecute him.
2) Trial court judge let in testimony by other women he had raped. PA supreme court ruled that unfair.
Only this current case was within the statue of limitations. All the previous women he assaulted were outside the statue of limitations.
So the MF gets to go home without ever admitting guilt or apologizing.
So refusing to accept parole led to the original conviction being looked at by the state Supreme Court? How?
No. You're conflating a whole bunch of things into one. Go read the article. The parole has no bearing on the case, it was just my commentary on his lack of remorse.
This decision has more to do with the god awful prosecutor who initially wasn't interested in prosecuting Cosby for rape.
Essentially, the initial prosecutor promised to look the other way on, like, more rapes, which made Cosby talk. The PA Supreme is saying that Cosby was right to believe that prosecutor.
Court is not saying "Cosby isn't a rapist" it's saying "Prosecutors are allowed to not care."
For the record, I think this is an GOD AWFUL decision and should result in immediate PA legislation to both strengthen its rape prosecutions and PUNISH prosecutors who look the other way on rape.
Another point worth making was that ALL of this was litigated before. And the lower courts said that Cosby's admissions subsequent to the "deal" were admissible.
For the state Supreme to come in and overrule it *now* is... BULLCRAP
And the horrible prosecutor was Bruce Castor, also famous for being the horrible Trump defense attorney from the second Impeachment trial who rambled nonsense for two hours.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:40 am Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
Harvey Weinstein probably has his lawyers on the phone right now looking for his technicality.
They have been doing that all along to no avail. This will have no bearing on his case because the circumstances behind Cosby's conviction being vacated have no commonality with Weinstein's case. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright?
1) Court found a previous document where they agreed not to prosecute him.
2) Trial court judge let in testimony by other women he had raped. PA supreme court ruled that unfair.
Only this current case was within the statue of limitations. All the previous women he assaulted were outside the statue of limitations.
So the MF gets to go home without ever admitting guilt or apologizing.
So refusing to accept parole led to the original conviction being looked at by the state Supreme Court? How?
No. You're conflating a whole bunch of things into one. Go read the article. The parole has no bearing on the case, it was just my commentary on his lack of remorse.
Why didn’t the defense just use this promise not to prosecute as a defense in the first place? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
On a technicality. He apparently was up for parole this year but HE REFUSED to participate in sex offender rehab or ever admit his guilt and said he'd rather stay in prison.
Why did that make them overturn it outright?
1) Court found a previous document where they agreed not to prosecute him.
2) Trial court judge let in testimony by other women he had raped. PA supreme court ruled that unfair.
Only this current case was within the statue of limitations. All the previous women he assaulted were outside the statue of limitations.
So the MF gets to go home without ever admitting guilt or apologizing.
So refusing to accept parole led to the original conviction being looked at by the state Supreme Court? How?
No. You're conflating a whole bunch of things into one. Go read the article. The parole has no bearing on the case, it was just my commentary on his lack of remorse.
Why didn’t the defense just use this promise not to prosecute as a defense in the first place?
The lower court ruled Cosby's self-incriminating testimony in his civil case could be used against him in the criminal case (even though the original prosecutor promised it wouldn't be used against him.) His current attorneys subsequently appealed the case up through the courts. Multiple lower courts ruled against Cosby.
Now the PA Supreme Court overruled the lower court decisions.
Apparently you've never watched Law & Order or any of their spinoffs?
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:36 am Post subject:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too. _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:04 pm Post subject:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:16 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it. _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it.
The point is that he did get his fair trial, despite what the SC ruled. He's not the one who got treated wrongly, his victims are. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:27 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it.
The point is that he did get his fair trial, despite what the SC ruled. He's not the one who got treated wrongly, his victims are.
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't believe he got a fair trial. The people got their pound of flesh trial. I believe they knew it would eventually be overturned for the very reasons that it was overturned. But hey, they got 3 years of imprisonment out of the deal. _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:30 pm Post subject:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it.
The point is that he did get his fair trial, despite what the SC ruled. He's not the one who got treated wrongly, his victims are.
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't believe he got a fair trial. The people got their pound of flesh trial. I believe they knew it would eventually be overturned for the very reasons that it was overturned. But hey, they got 3 years of imprisonment out of the deal.
Not even a fraction of what he actually deserved. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:39 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it.
The point is that he did get his fair trial, despite what the SC ruled. He's not the one who got treated wrongly, his victims are.
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't believe he got a fair trial. The people got their pound of flesh trial. I believe they knew it would eventually be overturned for the very reasons that it was overturned. But hey, they got 3 years of imprisonment out of the deal.
Not even a fraction of what he actually deserved.
Not a fraction of what he actually deserved, but way more than what they should've gotten with that trash case. _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
While I feel a sense of injustice at Cosby going free (just like I did when OJ got out of jail), what I'm really bothered by is all the victims (Cosby's victims and others') whose PTSD got triggered today by this news. Not a good day for them, to be sure.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:26 pm Post subject:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
hoopschick29 wrote:
The trial was trash from top to bottom. Allowing those women to testify, unsealing his deposition after he had an agreement with the prior DA. Even the ACTUAL accuser that he was on trial for...SHE TOOK THE MONEY. I'm not judging her for taking the money, but she took the money when she actually had the choice to cooperate in the criminal case. And that should've been that.
I knew once this moved up the appeals courts, it was gonna get tossed. I get that people felt good about getting a predator behind bars. But predators deserve fair trials too.
The POS got his fair trial, as the lower courts upheld. This lousy SC decision doesn't erase that.
It actually did just that. Erased it.
The point is that he did get his fair trial, despite what the SC ruled. He's not the one who got treated wrongly, his victims are.
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't believe he got a fair trial. The people got their pound of flesh trial. I believe they knew it would eventually be overturned for the very reasons that it was overturned. But hey, they got 3 years of imprisonment out of the deal.
Not even a fraction of what he actually deserved.
Not a fraction of what he actually deserved, but way more than what they should've gotten with that trash case.
The lower courts disagreed. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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And everything you built that’s all for show
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