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Halflife
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Ice cube jr getting in on banter
You better do it then!!! šš flip the narrative! Laker fans not playing around dawg lmao |
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LakerSD
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Ripping Vogelā¦the dude that protected you and gave you every chance to earn that job.
Donāt blame him for your shortcomings. Harrell and Drummond are a lot alike. |
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It's well known that Vogel screwed up the center rotations the moment we got Drummond and he knew how to properly implement them he just refused to. He said he'd start Drummond, play Gasol at backup 5 and Harrell at backup 4.
He wound up doing none of those things with any kind of consistency. So I won't pretend like Vogel didn't screw the situation with his horrible understanding of offense and stubbornness not listening to his own players on the rotation being bad.
That said, Drummond didn't do himself all the favors and could have played better.
Understanding that if Drummond bolts in free agency, and Harrell doesn't pick up his Player Option, we'll need to get another center in free agency and Gasol will return to the starting position at 5. Which I wouldn't mind.
Would rather re-sign him for half the MLE or the MLE because he is worth at least that in the league. The Max? Heck no.
But that instagram comment just lowers his value across the league because players aren't allowed to bash their own coaches without doing so, so good for us.
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| LakerSD wrote: | Ripping Vogelā¦the dude that protected you and gave you every chance to earn that job.
Donāt blame him for your shortcomings. Harrell and Drummond are a lot alike. |
Gotta keep in mind SD, only reason why we even considered Drummond was because of ADās injury, it wasnāt some sort of interest because of what he can do for us, this wasnāt like Dwight, now that was different because we were invested in him from the start of training camp. |
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BlueNGold
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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(bleep) this guy.
Don't let the door hit you. Seriously, he sucked, and I was wanting him so badly on this team.
(bleep) him, Trez, and DS. |
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vasashi17+
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Iām bored and the Finals aināt really going to do it for me so here we go...turn up or tune out...youāve been warned haha.
You have to admit, something is afoot.
Like what in the actual (bleep) happened to our center rotation this year. Where does the center of blame get put?
Drummond has an issue.
Trez got an issue.
Marc got an issue.
They crying a river, with AD thinking they can have it all, as long as I can rest my soft tissue.
You can center your eyes to this past offseason, and youāll notice real quick that this rhyme had no reason.
Dwight looks like heās about to re-up only to get teeād-up. What was Trez fore, or should I say four, cause he sure didnāt see much time at the 5. So heās out the door.
McGee gets dropped cause we need to make Marcās deal a 2year stop...but donāt sweat getting the mop...he doesnāt use Gas-at-oll, cuz heās always parked. Kuz openly questions why Vogs aināt playing Gasol. Who made dude a minute cop?
Drummond gets promised to start, then Vogs has a sudden change of heart. Gets a DNP in his last Laker game of the season...our buyout szn wasnāt very smart.
So with Vogs clearly being this FOās hire, and with Rob stating in the exit presser that the FO and coaching staff make personnel decisions hand-in-hand...you have to admitt, it sure looked like the shoe donāt fit.
I really wanted this post to hit hard, but instead, itās hardly a hit. In my head it sounded lit, while I got you heading to the exit.
#TurnstileFreestyle, is what I should call it. |
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epic_
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Screw Drummond. And Snoop Dogg.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Ripping Vogelā¦the dude that protected you and gave you every chance to earn that job.
Donāt blame him for your shortcomings. Harrell and Drummond are a lot alike. |
Gotta keep in mind SD, only reason why we even considered Drummond was because of ADās injury, it wasnāt some sort of interest because of what he can do for us, this wasnāt like Dwight, now that was different because we were invested in him from the start of training camp. |
Even if AD had been healthy, I am sure we still would have gone after Drummond. He was one of the most desirable buyout guys. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Ripping Vogelā¦the dude that protected you and gave you every chance to earn that job.
Donāt blame him for your shortcomings. Harrell and Drummond are a lot alike. |
Gotta keep in mind SD, only reason why we even considered Drummond was because of ADās injury, it wasnāt some sort of interest because of what he can do for us, this wasnāt like Dwight, now that was different because we were invested in him from the start of training camp. |
Even if AD had been healthy, I am sure we still would have gone after Drummond. He was one of the most desirable buyout guys. |
This.
We DON'T WANT Anthony Davis playing center. Andre Drummond was the 'young athletic' center type people were clamoring for all year while ignoring all the good Gasol did.
The perfect fit at center for this Lakers team that might be affordable tbh is Thomas Bryant. But he's coming off a very bad injury so there's no telling if he'll be the same now.
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kentu_tiro
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We should have just kept Damien Jones. He was the better fit based on our needs esp defensively.
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Ripping Vogelā¦the dude that protected you and gave you every chance to earn that job.
Donāt blame him for your shortcomings. Harrell and Drummond are a lot alike. |
Gotta keep in mind SD, only reason why we even considered Drummond was because of ADās injury, it wasnāt some sort of interest because of what he can do for us, this wasnāt like Dwight, now that was different because we were invested in him from the start of training camp. |
Even if AD had been healthy, I am sure we still would have gone after Drummond. He was one of the most desirable buyout guys. |
I can see it that way to activeverb but in large I donāt think the Lakers ever had any plans to have him be apart of the long term plans, if he wants to come back for the vet minimum I donāt mind bringing him back next year although knowing how greedy and arrogant heās been acting thatās probably unlikely. |
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| Quote: | Andre Drummond
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ššš I love the internet
Thank you for keeping me entertained this afternoon šš |
He got us š
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: |
I can see it that way to activeverb but in large I donāt think the Lakers ever had any plans to have him be apart of the long term plans, if he wants to come back for the vet minimum I donāt mind bringing him back next year although knowing how greedy and arrogant heās been acting thatās probably unlikely. |
It's funny that you call him "greedy and arrogant" -- because isn't that exactly what you are?
You think a player should take less money to play for the team you root for because that benefits the team you root for.
You are basically criticizing him for putting his own self-interests above your self interest. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
I can see it that way to activeverb but in large I donāt think the Lakers ever had any plans to have him be apart of the long term plans, if he wants to come back for the vet minimum I donāt mind bringing him back next year although knowing how greedy and arrogant heās been acting thatās probably unlikely. |
It's funny that you call him "greedy and arrogant" -- because isn't that exactly what you are?
You think a player should take less money to play for the team you root for because that benefits the team you root for.
You are basically criticizing him for putting his own self-interests above your self interest. |
I donāt really care what kind of money he wants, but we are Laker fans so we need our players to prove they deserve a nice contract, not sure whatās so hard to realize on what my interests are as a Lakers fan, if he played well for us I would have like him back and I still do but he needs to earn his stripes. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | not sure whatās so hard to realize on what my interests are as a Lakers fan, |
That's exactly what I was pointing out.
You think in terms of your own self-interest.
He is "greedy and arrogant," in your mind, because he is thinking about his own self-interest rather than yours.
No big deal. You're just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite. Most people are. |
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| If Drummond comes back and has a good year for us, I would have interest in keeping him long term but my whole point was about him earning it, if he wants to come back for cheap and earn his way into a contract next summer then I would welcome him back. |
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IG - itās all relative. From his perspective - he sacrificed and did whatever he needed to do relative to what was asked of him. We were the ones that promised him the starting spot. Youāre going to set your expectations based on what the market says. Have you ever met someone who felt that the following year in their career they should take a 30% or more pay cut. No one operates that way. He made $28 mil last year - heās not going to drop down to 1 mil. No ones ego will take that. More importantly heās going to get offers for more than that guaranteed.
Injuries happened. But thereās fair blame on his performance on the coaching staff. Vogel gets an F to me for his lineups this past year. He didnāt put a lot of players in positions to succeed. I thought Drummond underproduced against Ayton and it appears that players flat out are not afraid of his rim protection. Maybe thatās because he spent a lot of the year training on his own but teams went at him, Trez and Gasol.
Overall I thought Drummond was a disappointment but I canāt distinguish between who gets the line share of blame: injuries, continuity, lineups or fit. Maybe itās 25% each of all. Maybe itās 90% injury. Iām never going to fault a player for wanting to get paid - if you can get it - take it. Itās what 999/1000 people would do.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | If Drummond comes back and has a good year for us, I would have interest in keeping him long term but my whole point was about him earning it, if he wants to come back for cheap and earn his way into a contract next summer then I would welcome him back. |
Cool. You'll allow Drummond to come back for minimum wage and prove his worth to you.
I am sure his team will jump on that opportunity immediately. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | If Drummond comes back and has a good year for us, I would have interest in keeping him long term but my whole point was about him earning it, if he wants to come back for cheap and earn his way into a contract next summer then I would welcome him back. |
Drummond feels that he should be given a place in the starting lineup. The question is, should he?
Is he mobile like Ayton?
Is he a defensive presence like Gobert?
Is he a reliable and consistent offensive threat?
Answer is no
Bigger question is, does he have the physical ability and proper mindset to be part of an elite NBA title contender like the Lakers . . . . . . . |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | If Drummond comes back and has a good year for us, I would have interest in keeping him long term but my whole point was about him earning it, if he wants to come back for cheap and earn his way into a contract next summer then I would welcome him back. |
Drummond feels that he should be given a place in the starting lineup. The question is, should he?
Is he mobile like Ayton?
Is he a defensive presence like Gobert?
Is he a reliable and consistent offensive threat?
Answer is no
Bigger question is, does he have the physical ability and proper mindset to be part of an elite NBA title contender like the Lakers . . . . . . . |
Drummondās value is the vet minimum until he proves that his stats arenāt empty, he is definitely a starting level C but he needs to learn how to Impact winning, I definitely prefer him over Trezz/Gasol btw and thatās nothing against those 2 cause they helped us this year when we had injuries. |
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LakerSD
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 This is why you are a valued member of the LG community. |
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Hopefully he's not back next season.
A career loser & its pretty obvious why.
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