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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject: Andre Drummond good enough to have Starter Minutes for the Lakers & Max Contract

With Deandre Ayton (along John Collins) showing what is required of today's centers, how can Drummond stay on the court when these players are taking opposing centers to the perimeters and Drummond has continued to not be effective in closing on shots at the rim.

Just as 76ers painfully found out that having a $40M (slightly less) superstar unable to stay on the court at the end of games, what can Drummond provide that would merit his presence in the crunch minutes

When his not getting 10-15 rebounds per game, 3-5 blocks per game and 10-15 point per game - little reasons for him to play 30+MPG (especially at his asking salary of $28M a year - lmao), especially when Drummond says that he doesn't have to add anything to his game

Would he be able to "show" like what Brook Lopez is doing or he can only do a "deep drop" allowing players like Trae Young/CP3 get clean uncontesed teardrop shots?

With AD playing at crunch time, what kind of "center" would be best?

With Gasol possibly retiring and Harrell might consider other pastures, who will be in the FC with AD & LBJ at the end of games
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:14 pm    Post subject:

It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.

We never got to see the team together.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 pm    Post subject:

I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:49 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject:

You never realize how bad someones hands are until they're on your team.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:41 pm    Post subject:

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I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:47 pm    Post subject:

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I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:07 pm    Post subject:

the next roy hibbert. soon out of league...Guarantee
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.

We never got to see the team together.
Does Drummond have the athletism needed to guard centers like Collins, Lopez and Ayton - otherwise, he won't be in the game

Does Drummond have the offensive CLOSING ability to make opposing centers actually guard him

Does Drummond have the skills and athletic ability to average 10-15 RPG the whole season

Does Drummond have the passing ability to mesh with AD and LBJ, noting how quick Pau meshed with Kobe
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:23 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:31 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.


I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.

Keep dreaming buddy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:40 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.


I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.

Keep dreaming buddy.


I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".

Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body

Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.

I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".

Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:50 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.


I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.

Keep dreaming buddy.


I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".

Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body

Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.

I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".

Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly.


If you think Drummond today in 2021 is 10lbs more than what he was as a college freshman.... hahaha

That's like Shaq listed as 325 in the 2004 season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:09 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
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It's unfair to judge Drummond based on the end of this past season. I think the team had 3 total practices in his tenure, with LBJ and AD missing almost all of it and Schro missing a portion, as well.

We never got to see the team together.
Does Drummond have the athletism needed to guard centers like Collins, Lopez and Ayton - otherwise, he won't be in the game

Does Drummond have the offensive CLOSING ability to make opposing centers actually guard him

Does Drummond have the skills and athletic ability to average 10-15 RPG the whole season

Does Drummond have the passing ability to mesh with AD and LBJ, noting how quick Pau meshed with Kobe


Athleticism - Yes. The guy led the league in DWS & DRTG twice.

Closing (Finishing?) - Yes. He's a consistent 15-18 PPG guy as a starter.

Rebounding - Please. He's the ALL TIME LEADER IN TOTAL REBOUND % and active leader in RPG (13.7).

Passing - Yes. He was Top-5 in assists by centers in 2017-18.

You cannot judge him based on last season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:11 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.


I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.

Keep dreaming buddy.


I said he had to lose weight, not "He needs to get back to his college weight".

Losing weight means exactly what it sounds like, it doesn't need to be 50 pounds. And in general losing it would help his body

Draymond Green dropped 25 pounds in an off-season, to get himself into a leaner shape and form. Drummond could do something similar and it would help him tremendously.

I naturally assumed saying "lose weight" would register as "lose weight" in everyone's minds, but apparently I didn't count for the one that decided to read it as "get back down to his college weight".

Also smarty pants, Drummond's weight was supposedly around 270 in college. He's 280 now allegedly.


If you think Drummond today in 2021 is 10lbs more than what he was as a college freshman.... hahaha

That's like Shaq listed as 325 in the 2004 season.


Some of us, instead of speaking from behind ourselves. Actually do research.

Drummond has been losing weight in the off-seasons leading up to this point.

Back in 2017 he changed up his diet and workout routine and dropped 30 pounds from his heaviest.

From Drummond himself: “I feel fantastic,” Drummond said. “Right now, I’m at 285. I lost 30-something pounds, ballpark. I’m moving faster, jumping higher. I feel great overall. A lot of conditioning this summer to really get myself in tip-top shape."
https://pistonpowered.com/2017/09/27/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond-loses-30-pounds/

So back in 2017 he was 15 pounds off his college weight and felt great.
He followed that up with his two best seasons up until that point.

Near the end of his tenure in Detroit, and when he was traded to Cleveland, his weight also went back up.

But when the Cavs pretty much didn't allow him to play because they were searching for trades or wondering about a buyout. He soent the time off conditioning himself, and trying to lose the weight again. He dropped 10-15 pounds during that time period before he came to the Lakers.

From Drummond himself,

"I used this time to get myself in the best condition possible. I've lost about 10-15 lbs during this time. Right now, I'm probably in the best shape I can be. I'm ready to play today."
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1376628396973727745

Taking him back down to around 280 or less. Which puts him around 10 pounds off his college weight and lighter than he was in 2017.

it has been a gradual process he started in Detroit, and rededicated himself to, during his time off from the Cavs. And now he has an entire off-season to continue striving towards that on a winning team instead of a team like Detroit or Cleveland.

Next time before you laugh at a statement, do your research.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:00 pm    Post subject:

This actually concerns me even more. If he’s 280 or less and moved the way he did then he definitely didn’t regain any of that athleticism.

Andre is welcome back if he takes under $5mm
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:05 pm    Post subject:

Not an Andre Drummond believer. But I didn't believe in Dwight or McGee either. And a healthy LBJ made them look great.
So what do I know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:22 pm    Post subject:

Using our whole mini MLE on him is not the way. Min deal of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:22 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
This actually concerns me even more. If he’s 280 or less and moved the way he did then he definitely didn’t regain any of that athleticism.

Andre is welcome back if he takes under $5mm


I agree.

Drummond had his athleticism moments in this game (and interestingly a good chemistry with Schroeder)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:23 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
AD23 wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD23 wrote:
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...



Because he needs to lose weight.

But his athleticism is there, when he decides to use it.




Lose weight. Yeah 50 pounds. That’s not happening.

Why does he need to lose weight at age 27 going into a contract season??

Red flags everywhere going back to his prep school days.


I'm mocking MJST comment about losing weight and he'll get that explosiveness back.

Keep dreaming buddy.

I'm in agreement with you. Drummond going into a contract year out of shape is a testament to a lack of work ethic he's had since he was a teenager.

Let the Hornets overpay him en route to the 7th seed in the East.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:13 pm    Post subject:

I don't mind seeing Drummond back but he is worth nowhere near a max contract.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:23 pm    Post subject:

Got a bad feeling we're giving him the bag.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:33 pm    Post subject:

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Got a bad feeling we're giving him the bag.


Thankfully we can't unless all of our other free agents leave for nothing. We have no cap space to give him anything more than the MLE.

That being said, Drummond is absolutely worth the taxpayer MLE ($5.9 Million).

Give him an offseason and preseason to get in game shape and develop chemistry with the team and he'll show his worth one way or another.

I won't assume he'll help us immensely in the playoffs but if he can take most of the center assignments during the regular season and help preserve Davis for the playoffs then it will be money well spent.
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