Biggest thing I’ve noticed is he doesn’t have the hands of Howard, fumbles many passes.
Dwight is a lock as a HOFer and an all time maybe top 10 player at his position. He is severely underrated.
It's a shame that a lot of people won't remember how good he was in his peak because of his attitude problems and that persisting for the bulk of his career. He had a nice redemption story over the past couple seasons and hopefully that helps him. He was never the same guy after his surgery. The guy averaged 23/14/2.4/1.4/1.4 while being a 3 time DPOY, 5 time rebounding champ, and leading the league in field goal percentage and blocks (twice). And he accomplished all of those things except the last 2 rebounding titles by 25. He's a hall of famer on that alone.
Post-surgery he was never the same player. And then we saw a lot more focus on his attitude. His former teammates speaking out against him, him always trying to shift the blame on others. Unfortunately that era on his career when he was no longer a star but had the stars attitude was the story of the last decade of his career before finding redemption the last couple seasons. Before that I remember hearing a lot of talk that Howard shouldn't even be in the hall of fame. I think that was ridiculous. He was the best center in the league for six or so years. I do think the last couple seasons, despite being his worst by far stat wise, will ensure he makes the HoF. But I do think its unfortunate that for younger fans will probably never realize how good Howard was in his prime, defensively especially.
Drummond is a good player. But he's no prime Howard. He's a younger version of post-injury Howard who isn't as good defensively. That isn't a bad player. But he has the same holes in his game offensively that Howard did. Both guys were dominant rebounders. Prime Howard though was one of the best athletes the league has seen. Drummond isn't on that level.
Any big man camp coaches out there... I'm just wondering why his hands are so bad. And why his feet are so bad. I'm really surprised at how many rebounds he gets. He'd be Dennis Rodman if he didn't bobble so many balls. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Any big man camp coaches out there... I'm just wondering why his hands are so bad. And why his feet are so bad. I'm really surprised at how many rebounds he gets. He'd be Dennis Rodman if he didn't bobble so many balls.
His rebounding stats seem a little inflated. I would say at least 3 rebounds per game is him either playing voley ball with thr backboard or rebounding his own missed gimmie at the rim.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:15 am Post subject:
J.C. Smith wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
Lakerz113 wrote:
Biggest thing I’ve noticed is he doesn’t have the hands of Howard, fumbles many passes.
Dwight is a lock as a HOFer and an all time maybe top 10 player at his position. He is severely underrated.
It's a shame that a lot of people won't remember how good he was in his peak because of his attitude problems and that persisting for the bulk of his career. He had a nice redemption story over the past couple seasons and hopefully that helps him. He was never the same guy after his surgery. The guy averaged 23/14/2.4/1.4/1.4 while being a 3 time DPOY, 5 time rebounding champ, and leading the league in field goal percentage and blocks (twice). And he accomplished all of those things except the last 2 rebounding titles by 25. He's a hall of famer on that alone.
Post-surgery he was never the same player. And then we saw a lot more focus on his attitude. His former teammates speaking out against him, him always trying to shift the blame on others. Unfortunately that era on his career when he was no longer a star but had the stars attitude was the story of the last decade of his career before finding redemption the last couple seasons. Before that I remember hearing a lot of talk that Howard shouldn't even be in the hall of fame. I think that was ridiculous. He was the best center in the league for six or so years. I do think the last couple seasons, despite being his worst by far stat wise, will ensure he makes the HoF. But I do think its unfortunate that for younger fans will probably never realize how good Howard was in his prime, defensively especially.
Drummond is a good player. But he's no prime Howard. He's a younger version of post-injury Howard who isn't as good defensively. That isn't a bad player. But he has the same holes in his game offensively that Howard did. Both guys were dominant rebounders. Prime Howard though was one of the best athletes the league has seen. Drummond isn't on that level.
I feel like Dwight was one of those guys that started out as overrated, then the overrated narrative stuck, and then he wound up being underrated.
Orlando Dwight was easily a top five player in the league. He just wasn’t the same level as LeBron or Shaq like some thought. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I'd say its clear that among the top 10 centers. these six guys are on the list: Kareem. Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Moses, Shaq.
After that, there's tons of disagreement. I occasionally see Dwight in the top 10, but more often he's on the top 15.
I've never seen Mutumbo rated above him. More often than not, I see him above Reed and Parish. Not many people have been ranking Jovic yet.
Guys you are forgetting about include: Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, George Mikan, Bill Walton. Sometimes Duncan and Elvin Hayes are classed as centers, sometimes as forwards.
In terms of all-time MVP shares, Dwight is 38. Centers above besides the big six are David Robinson, Bob McAdoo, Dave Cowens, and Patrick Ewing.
Bottom line: Dwight isn't in the pantheon of the top tier all-time centers. He's in the tier just below them. His career has had some stumbles, but he's a clear first-ballot HoFer to me.
Any big man camp coaches out there... I'm just wondering why his hands are so bad. And why his feet are so bad. I'm really surprised at how many rebounds he gets. He'd be Dennis Rodman if he didn't bobble so many balls.
His rebounding stats seem a little inflated. I would say at least 3 rebounds per game is him either playing voley ball with thr backboard or rebounding his own missed gimmie at the rim.
Lol. That's a good point. I would be interested to see how many of his boards are from him missing gimmes. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
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He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
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King Randle wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
I think AD is a better defender, rebounder and scorer.
But Jones will cost less. So maybe Jones gets you more bang for the buck, but I think AD has more impact, imo. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
I think AD is a better defender, rebounder and scorer.
But Jones will cost less. So maybe Jones gets you more bang for the buck, but I think AD has more impact, imo.
I'm not an insider by any means but I know someone from the Sac training staff and they are very high on Jones...smart kid, engineer major from Vanderbilt....they hope to sign him to a multi year deal especially with the uncertainty of Holmes and the fact Jones played ahead of Whiteside.
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
I think AD is a better defender, rebounder and scorer.
But Jones will cost less. So maybe Jones gets you more bang for the buck, but I think AD has more impact, imo.
I'm not an insider by any means but I know someone from the Sac training staff and they are very high on Jones...smart kid, engineer major from Vanderbilt....they hope to sign him to a multi year deal especially with the uncertainty of Holmes and the fact Jones played ahead of Whiteside.
If you get a chance, mind asking the trainer if they had the chance to get AD or Jones at the same price who they would get? I know fans see some aspects of the game and player. But it's always interesting to see what people close to teams feel. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
No problem bringing him back for vet minimum if he wants to be here . I think he can thrive on a regular season and we can utilize him on certain matchup on limited role. Center position is not really a priority when it matters.
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
I think AD is a better defender, rebounder and scorer.
But Jones will cost less. So maybe Jones gets you more bang for the buck, but I think AD has more impact, imo.
I'm not an insider by any means but I know someone from the Sac training staff and they are very high on Jones...smart kid, engineer major from Vanderbilt....they hope to sign him to a multi year deal especially with the uncertainty of Holmes and the fact Jones played ahead of Whiteside.
If you get a chance, mind asking the trainer if they had the chance to get AD or Jones at the same price who they would get? I know fans see some aspects of the game and player. But it's always interesting to see what people close to teams feel.
I would be they don't communicate in that regards with the FO...He got the info about a possible multi year deal from Jones when he was getting worked on. Sacramento really appears to like him, like we did.
Any big man camp coaches out there... I'm just wondering why his hands are so bad. And why his feet are so bad. I'm really surprised at how many rebounds he gets. He'd be Dennis Rodman if he didn't bobble so many balls.
His rebounding stats seem a little inflated. I would say at least 3 rebounds per game is him either playing voley ball with thr backboard or rebounding his own missed gimmie at the rim.
Lol. That's a good point. I would be interested to see how many of his boards are from him missing gimmes.
Drummond does that on purpose -- it's a trick Moses Malone pioneered. He rushes his shot, knowing if he misses, he'll be quicker to the rebound than his opponent.
I am not sure how many of his rebounds a game that represents. Doubt it's three, since that would be all the offensive rebounds he averages.
But it would be interesting to see how many of his rebounds that represents, and what percentage he shoots on them.
He's not worth much on a championship team, so if he don't accept a reasonable offer let him walk. There is centers out there
Completely agree....He started off with a bang here cuz there was no AD or Bron....but as a role player he's only good for rebounding honestly. No more than $5 million a year so he walks.
maybe I'm crazy, but I think Damian Jones can have a better impact than him
I think AD is a better defender, rebounder and scorer.
But Jones will cost less. So maybe Jones gets you more bang for the buck, but I think AD has more impact, imo.
I'm not an insider by any means but I know someone from the Sac training staff and they are very high on Jones...smart kid, engineer major from Vanderbilt....they hope to sign him to a multi year deal especially with the uncertainty of Holmes and the fact Jones played ahead of Whiteside.
If you get a chance, mind asking the trainer if they had the chance to get AD or Jones at the same price who they would get? I know fans see some aspects of the game and player. But it's always interesting to see what people close to teams feel.
I would be they don't communicate in that regards with the FO...He got the info about a possible multi year deal from Jones when he was getting worked on. Sacramento really appears to like him, like we did.
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