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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:45 pm    Post subject: CLIPPERS -at- LAKERS - 12/13 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings

The THT Experience... Another preseason game, another eyeopener from 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker.

THT dropped 33 points to go with 10 boards, 4 assists and 4 steals as the Lakers blew out the Clippers 131-106.

It was an intriguing game as Vogel rolled out some different pieces while still resting LeBron and AD. We got to see Gasol work the high-post offense with his marvelous passing ability. Key Laker playoff role players in KCP and Markieff Morris picked up where they left off. Kyle Kuzma added in a steady 25 points.

But it was THT’s dominance that had everyone buzzing.

Whether it was draining step-back jumpers, getting into the paint for scores at the rim, drawing fouls, dishing dimes or getting the team out on the break with steals, he did it all -- an all-around game that raised eyebrows and turned heads. And he did a lot of that against the Clippers starters.

We're going to need to see that again...and again...please.

Vogel has a good problem on his hands trying to find minutes. This team is deeeeeep.


Gasol -- -- Vogel made sure a lot of offense was going to run through Gasol. “Our guys had a great mindset to really move aggressively without the basketball,” Vogel said. Without LeBro/AD you can see how we might be able to rest them with Gasol running sets from the high post in a 5-out offensive. We ran guys on pindowns, some backdoor attempts, cuts around Gasol. He had 3 assists in the first half but it certainly felt like more. He had a hockey assist to KCP cutting, who kicked it to THT for a three, but that was set up by Gasol working that high post. He was sharing the love, didn’t matter who it was. If you were moving, he was going to pass you open. He found THT on the weakside for three as he posted up strong side. He hit Kuzma curling from the corner pindown for a layup. He hit KCP cutting for a layup (that pass was over a defender’s shoulder as KCP cut straight down the paint). We ran some of those corner sequences last year with LeBron as the passer. With Gasol as the passer, that big is out of the paint. Watch him when he pivots to create a better angle and hit guys for easy scores. That turns something that may not be open into a wide open passing lane. Scoring wise himself, he had an easy on a rim run. He swished a baseline turnaround jumper from the post. He knocked down another midrange on a kickout from Kuz. Defensively, he’s not going to block a lot of shots, but he’s going to challenge quite a few. He’s also going to try to beat the offense to the spot with anticipation. I love that we got some condensed minutes with the same players around him versus going deep. They are building chemistry quick with him getting those reps. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-4 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 4 boards, 5 assists, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 22 minutes. He was a +12.

Horton-Tucker -- -- Wow. Let’s spend a little extra time on this one tonight since that’s all anyone will be talking about. There’s been all kinds of rumors and talk since the Bubble about how THT had been killing it. We saw some flashes in the playoffs, but THT just went off tonight. All that time practicing against one of the best defenses in the league seems to have really paid off. Iron sharpens iron. The question is, of course, is this just a preseason thing? Well, let’s break it down. First, yeah, even though it was a preseason game, it was still the Clippers. This wasn’t a rando lottery team so even if they weren’t going all out, the bar was higher. He just dominated and did it against some quality defenders.

Ridiculously good first half with 18 points on 5-8 shooting to go with 3 assists. He’d have 30 after three quarters. He and Cook ran the point for the team tonight, so the ball was in his hands quite a bit. In the regular season, that may not happen too often with LeBron out there. But off the bench? I think they have a need for ball handlers. You did see Gasol quarterbacking the offense from the high post and that would certainly be a threat to needing THT’s minutes out there. But we do have a need. We ran THT 41 minutes and he won’t get that, but he was about a point a minute prior to that fourth quarter when things slowed down (anyone remember Mike McGee, who Chick called the Point-a-Minute Man). It’s possible, then, you may see some nights off the bench where he brings that sort of spark plug energy and it’s just shorter stints and smaller stats.

How it started: I like that we got him some simple catch-and-shoot looks early. He had a great sequence where he stripped Kawhi on one end on iso D and then knocked down a kickout three on the other. Good looks and big plays can jumpstart the confidence. From there it was off the hook. The Clippers couldn’t guard him, even with Kawhi and Bev trying. He got to the line for 6-6 shooting in the first half (Kawhi lucky there wasn’t a couple more FTs). The handle is a problem for defenders. He has those big hands and that wingspan that allows him to do some things. So physical gifts will translate. The handle will translate. He broke defenders off for step-back swishes, one from the wing early, another ridiculous heat-check three later in the game after losing his man. If that can be a consistent weapon, he’s incredibly hard to guard and you can just forget about it. He had moments in the G-League where he’d have his confidence going and hit some of those. So it’s in his bag when he’s got it going. It’s just a matter of reps I think to where that becomes more consistent, but let’s not rely on that to always be there for a 20-year-old. He can still be effective even if it’s not. We saw him hit a floater and finish around the rim with a variety of skills (spins, through contact, dunking in transition, English off the glass). Those big hands and wingspan favor all of that to translate. Be very bullish on that skill carrying over nightly.

The opportunity for ball handling will not always be there, though, so he’ll have to deal with a lot of off-the-ball moments with all the stars around him, and he’s shown in his rookie season he can produce some doing that. Tonight, Gasol found him cutting for a score. He knocked down those kickouts from teammates. We’re going to be asking him to hit wide open looks and he should be able to do that. Some nights, the shot won’t be there, and that’s when all those other skills need to come to play and you look for other ways he can contribute.

This is where we mention the 10 boards, 4 assists and 4 steals. Dude. Even if he went 2-10 shooting or something, those stats alone are getting you some playing time. He’s giving you some excellent moments of D, not just for a 20-year-old but any rotation player. So beyond the scoring there was a lot of meat to his game in these past couple. “He just showed more of what we’ve seen from him,” Volgel said, talking about the variety to his game. Honestly, he could have gone for 40 if we wanted to call his number more in the fourth. “I knew he was going to play big minutes and not really surprised at the numbers he put up,” Vogel added. So he’s doing it in practice. He’s doing it now in preseason games. We’ve seen guys have big games in the preseason before and then disappear. But remember, we saw him with some impact in the playoffs. He was playing so well in practice that Vogel wanted to get him a little run in the middle of the playoffs, and he did well with it. So, yeah, there’s a lot of substance to what we’re seeing. Ultimately, it’s a shot-making league and that will be the measurement, but think about what his game looks like when he’s not scoring that well and think about how it will only get better. A 20-year-old is going to improve on defense, getting stronger physically, playing within the flow offensively, playing above the rim. He does all that pretty well already, but it’s going to improve. When that happens, the good games start to become great games. The bad games start to become serviceable games. And you’ve drafted a guy midway in the second round that will be in the league for many years. That alone is a steal in the second round.

Ultimately, THT’s success will be measured by his ability to knock down shots. So until he does that night after night, the range of what he could be is still a big question mark. But the little things he’s doing outside of that show enough to believe he’ll be a steal. By the way, on the floor tonight, you saw Laker second round picks in Gasol and Zubac. Getting any player to stick in the second round is a big success and those two show the range of what that success can be, and it’s pretty wide. Anyone remember when Clarkson was making a splash as a second rounder? Teams were asking who that guy is? Players know who can ball. Kawhi asking how old THT was no coincidence. The Stats: He scored 33 points on 11-17 shooting (4-5 from three, 7-9 from the line) to go with 10 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 41 minutes. He was a +36.

Kuzma -- -- I was really looking forward to seeing how he plays off Gasol and you could see the chemistry already developing there. Kuz is one of our best cutters and that is going to become a weapon, assuming Vogel has them in the lineup at the same time. They teamed up on our corner pindown sequence we ran last year where guys will come off that and curl into the paint. Typically that was LeBron delivering the pass. You’re going to see that a lot. Gasol also set him up for FTs on another pass. This was a fairly consistent game from Kuz from start to finish, unlike the last one. He had 13 points on 4-7 shooting in the first half and did about the same in the second half. The three ball was falling as he sank four (one was a heave at the end of the clock that banked in...but he was still 50% from three prior to that). Keep that up, please. He hit another of those baseline turnaround jumpers. That seems to be his go to post move since last year. He had the Kawhi assignment to start the game. If you remember last year, Kuz started to really play Kawhi respectably on D as the season went along. Just being able to eat some minutes up there for us is very helpful. I mentioned in the last game, Kuzma’s FT shooting looked a little stiff. It did again tonight. The Stats: He scored 25 points on 8-14 shooting (4-7 from three, 5-8 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 4 assists, 1 block, 4 turnovers and 2 fouls in 40 minutes. He was a +16.

Morris -- -- He was getting some smalls rotated on him as the Clipper D scrambled. He’d score a few points in the post tonight as a result. One thing I didn’t anticipate is Kieff taking passes on the move from Gasol. He got blocked on a layup on one off a great recovery by Batum, but scored a short one in the paint on another. Good to see that being a thing. Morris was key to our 5-0 lineups in the playoffs. With Gasol in the mix, we just doubled our combinations of 5-out lineups. That may eat into some of Morris’s time depending on what Vogel wants to do. Really, Vogel has a lot of good problems this season trying to figure this all out. Defensively, we put Morris on Kawhi for a few possessions just because we were resting guys. Not a good matchup. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 4-6 shooting (1-1 from three, 2-3 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a +14.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- His speed cutting around Gasol is going to be a weapon. That’s going to open up KCP’s game a little more. Love it. KCP started this one off hitting an And-1 three for a 4-point play. The lack of time off may actually benefit him as he seems to have picked up where he left off. Notice, too, our transition game picked up a little more with him out on the floor. He changes ends so fast. This team can tire teams out with their running and depth. We were superb when we had a lead going into the fourth last year (57-0). Running opponents to death so they tire in the fourth can help. Our depth going 10 deep can help, too. Fun sequence in the second half off some THT steals. KCP missed a layup in transition, but THT had the putback. THT missed a layup next time down off a steal, but KCP had the putback. He’s been consistently killing teams. Loving it. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 5-8 shooting (2-3 from three, 4-5 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a +14.

Harrell -- -- Off the bench with Gasol starting. I assume that’s how it will go in the regular season, but I want to see Gasol with some of those second unit guys, too, kind of like we saw tonight. It will be interesting to see how that plays out rotation wise. Another double-double impact night. That’s going to be a thing for us. He’d finish with 19-10. In this game, we saw our McGee/Howard replacements. It’s a couple levels above what those two gave us, right? Clippers are a smaller team, but you can see the difference. Harrell can give you those hustle plays. He can deliver the bruises and the boards. Gasol give you the D and the unique 5-out passing twist with a big center than we didn’t have last year. Last game was a bit too ugly in execution. Tonight, you started to see some of that iron out as Cook/Trezz worked some of those two-man sequences. Trezz has that runner that he can hit from up to about 12 feet out. He explored the jumper again, knocking a couple down. One was a three at the end of the clock. His preference last season, though, was not to settle for a jumper but either attack all the way to the rim (not always the greatest choice) or move into that range for those teardrop runners. A couple blocks tonight, including a jumper in the lane. He’s had 9 offensive board in the last two games...that is killer on a team with superstars since those guys are typically high usage players. So 9 boards on offense and he’s not even played with those guys yet. The Stats: He scored 19 points on 8-19 shooting (1-1 from three, 2-4 from the line) to go with 11 boards (5 offensive), 3 assists, 2 blocks, 2 turnovers and 5 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a +15.

Cook -- -- This is about as good as you can expect from Cook. He was sinking threes and dropping dimes. Some good chemistry with Trezz on those two-man sequences. You really can’t ask for a better game from his skill set. Still, the defense was painful to watch. It’s not for a lack of trying. Watching Cook and Lou going at it with one-way games...oof. I imagine Cook sticks until someone gets bought out at some point. But who knows? The league is probably expanding the active roster to 15, so you may throw him out in games to burn minutes...but with THT needing touches for development? I think they probably search out another wing defender at some point. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 5-10 shooting (4-5 from three) to go with 1 board, 7 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 31 minutes. He was a +3.

Dudley -- -- He came in when Gasol sat in the first quarter. He typically plays the PF or small ball C, but we saw some moments at SF in this one. He did fine out there as he sank both threes he took. He celebrates every three. I mean you got to at this point in your career. I don’t care about the production and the garbage time minutes he gets. His impact is in the trenches of team culture. The guy who is organizing group events, teaching young players, making sure cooler heads prevail. Coaches can’t be that guy the same way a vet player can. Great end of the bench signing for those reasons. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-3 shooting (2-2 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 1 assist and 2 fouls in 28 minutes. He was a +15.

Vogel -- -- Key moment: Let’s go with that 15-6 lead to start the game. The Clippers are rolling out their starters. The Lakers are running a 20-year old and an old man and they are whooping ass.

Key Substitution: Any time he brought THT back in. That’s all we were waiting for.

Key Stat: I mean 18-25 three shooting...72%? That’s just out of control. You give Vogel a good offense? This is going to be fun.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:51 pm    Post subject:

First?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:00 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB, but that was about the longest paragraph in the history of Lakers- Ground, break it up next time!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:02 pm    Post subject:

Thanks so much DB!

Omar Little, yeah = 1st
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:16 pm    Post subject:

Gasol unlocks the offense to unimaginable levels...no more slow starts please. We won't have high-flying shot-blockers igniting the break like we did last year but this team will be so much more fun to watch in the half-court offense. I just hope Vogel is able to maintain that defensive philosophy with such a potentially high-powered offense. It's tougher to preach consistent defense when players think they can just outright out-score all their opponents. I think they have the right personnel for that though both in the players as well as the coaches.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:22 pm    Post subject:

Lebron is going to get plenty of rest this season. This is exactly what was needed so he doesn’t have to carry the load every night.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:38 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

That was a fun game to watch!

This year's team is so much better constructed than last year's (at least on paper). From what I have seen so far, I am not worried about anyone stopping the Lakers this year. I wasn't as confident last year.

I think Rob has covered all major holes. Everything else is a luxury. I hope the Lakers can find a shot blocking 7 footer and another wing perhaps.

I can't believe we have a younger and better team than last year. We should be able to give AD and Bron plenty of rest this year.

We should also put fear into the rest of the league so they all know they don't have a real chance at a ring this year.

I think the Clippers already know it now. Last year was their chance but they blew it.

It is good to be a Laker fan right about now!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:40 pm    Post subject:

My only critical comments at the moment is that we do seem pretty weak on rebounding and defense right at the rim. We clearly can be hurt on the inside due to our size. I worry about getting that critical rebound or tap out with the game on the line. Hopefully, we’ll be ahead by enough it won’t matter
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:53 pm    Post subject:

gng930 wrote:
Gasol unlocks the offense to unimaginable levels...no more slow starts please. We won't have high-flying shot-blockers igniting the break like we did last year but this team will be so much more fun to watch in the half-court offense. I just hope Vogel is able to maintain that defensive philosophy with such a potentially high-powered offense. It's tougher to preach consistent defense when players think they can just outright out-score all their opponents. I think they have the right personnel for that though both in the players as well as the coaches.


I feel like Vogel will always favor defense and lean into that. Certainly you don’t want to develop bad habits. I’m intrigued with the second half zone defense in the last couple of games. He’s putting a lot of emphasis on that early on already. It makes some obvious sense when we go small or in certain Gasol lineups where you don’t want him picked on. Going to it this early in the season in addition to our usual defensive schemes has them really thinking about defensive execution from the start.

Curious to watch how the defensive tweaks play out as we have some new weaknesses to deal with. Without AD it’s hard to speculate on how good we can look with our new guys. Should be very strong again.
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waterman40 wrote:
Thanks DB, but that was about the longest paragraph in the history of Lakers- Ground, break it up next time!


Yeah usually they get one section each and no paragraphs. I broke it up some now so hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:04 am    Post subject:

Startrout wrote:
My only critical comments at the moment is that we do seem pretty weak on rebounding and defense right at the rim. We clearly can be hurt on the inside due to our size. I worry about getting that critical rebound or tap out with the game on the line. Hopefully, we’ll be ahead by enough it won’t matter
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We suddenly become big again when AD returns. In the playoffs we never closed with a two big lineup. All the guys we close with are back, so I don’t think the rebounding will be a problem in those situations.

Small ball lineups to start the third or end a quarter? Yeah we had issues last year when AD sat and we didn’t have a traditional C out there. But we should be good to close.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:17 am    Post subject:

Kieff and KCP have a championship swagger to them that I didn't see last year.

They look calm and collected

Also, I love the communication with these team.
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DancingBarry wrote:
Startrout wrote:
My only critical comments at the moment is that we do seem pretty weak on rebounding and defense right at the rim. We clearly can be hurt on the inside due to our size. I worry about getting that critical rebound or tap out with the game on the line. Hopefully, we’ll be ahead by enough it won’t matter
. We suddenly become big again when AD returns. In the playoffs we never closed with a two big lineup. All the guys we close with are back, so I don’t think the rebounding will be a problem in those situations.

Small ball lineups to start the third or end a quarter? Yeah we had issues last year when AD sat and we didn’t have a traditional C out there. But we should be good to close.
During crunch time, LBJ and AD will be on the court

With Gasol, it will be a better matchup against Joker and Nurkic (also against Embiid if they get to the Finals and possibly against Gobert - if they meet the Jazz in the playoffs).

Having Marquis and Harrell will force them to play hard when AD is not in the game.

Death Squad (defensively)
AD, Caruso, TNT, KCP and Matthews - would this bring back memories of John Wooden's UCLA's infamous "Press Team" that put on full court press coverage to blitz teams????
~ many here might know what I mean - lol!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:33 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! What a fun game to watch! THT dynamite.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:14 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! I can care less if its a preseason game. THT is legit. The kid was incredible. I'm surprised the crap announcers didn't go crazy with his best move of the night (a spin move on the baseline where he passed). I had to watch this replay 10 x's. Also, Gasol is going to be huge for us as he becomes our new Rondo. An ultra smart player who is incredibly skilled and is a coach on the floor. He clearly makes everyone around him better.
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Whoa 19-11-2 and I thought montrezl was bully ball Randle a little bit, better than my eye test (prob cause THT and Gasol looked so good on offense, everybody else looked just ok)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:34 am    Post subject:

Thanks, DB!
This team is so damn good. We can play every way, against any opponent.

Just gotta stay healthy and #18 is within reach.
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Key moment: Let’s go with that 15-6 lead to start the game. The Clippers are rolling out their starters. The Lakers are running a 20-year old and an old man and they are whooping ass.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:30 am    Post subject:

One of the more enjoyable games I got to watch in a while. Usually watching the half court offense is about exciting as watching grass grow but this game was fun. Lots of cutting, ball movement, and excitement.

Watching THT strip Kawhi in the half court was exhilarating! Kawhi was faced up ready to take on THT and was stripped like a young kid when the bully comes up and takes your apple. Just took it right out of his hands like "gimme that!". Wow!

Three point shooting was ridiculous! Anything close to last nights performance will be icing on the cake.

Vogel is going to be playing 10-12 guys a night. Deeep team. A little nicked up? Take the night off. No problem. We got some guys who can play.

Starters: LBJ, AD, Gasol, KCP and Schroeder.
Bench: Caruso, THT, Kuzma, Harrell, Morris, Matthews
Deep bench: Cook, Dudley, McKinnie
2 Way: Kostas and Cacok
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:57 am    Post subject:

It is preseason and so I take a lot of caution with what is going on. Whether it is super positive or negative.

However we clearly see some things developing.

Gasol - Lakers can run the offense through him. A lot different than Dwight or McGee, this is more like a restricted minutes Jokic. He posts up, then will find an open shooter like THT or KCP. He can set a pick, set up to pop or stop mid roll catch and pass. If you cut, he finds you. Kuzma is a guy that should get minutes with Gasol, I agree. One of the suggestions I had in the T&R thread from previous game, we maybe take Gasol out early (6 min) and bring him back for a run with the 2nd unit. It is like Rondo IQ there. I'm telling you. You can not teach what Marc Gasol has. The way he can see a play develop before it actually develops. Rare bigman talent to have, and he has it. Gotta keep him fresh all season at 20-22 mpg, and peaking in playoff Gasol form.

Really loved the action when Ibaka was on Marc, and Marc was beating him in rebounds or post ups or little actions. That's a 2.5M player vs a MLE (9M) guy. And Marc looks a lot bigger and physically strong than Ibaka.

THT - His confidence is sky high. He is taking open shots without hesitation and creating some stuff off the dribble that is scary good. Wonder what happens when teams start to respect him and focus on him defensively. I don't know if it's hot shooting or he really is this good a shooter now, but if he can make those spot up 3s on kick outs, this guy will get major minutes this season. You need that around AD-Bron. I wonder how many plays and freedom he will get once we have a full rotation, and he is coming off the bench. I do think the amount of trust Frank has shown in him, is pretty cool. You see a guy who is basically a rookie in minutes played (but has 1 year of being in the system) run a lot of the offense. THT is showing legit NBA level guard skills, where you can trust to initiate the offense through him. Not something most of us were looking at, but it is possible he is a 3rd option QB for us this year, after Bron/Schroder.

Kuz - Without AD/Bron, you are seeing guys like THT and Kuz really handle the ball more and make some plays and be more assertive. I thought these 2 games kind of showed how talented Kuz is, and that he is easily one of our best non-AD/Bron players, he just isn't as assertive or effective when he is playing around them. When Kuz has that spot up 3 going from outside, he goes from being a dime a dozen wing scorer who can put up points to a very valuable all-star caliber guy. Just a shame he can not hit those 3s more consistently.

Trez - One of the differences I notice immediately. Vs Dwight/McGee. When he sets a pick up high, he is a lot better at being able to catch the ball on the move, and then dribble a bit before taking a shot attempt. He is both a target for some at the rim action and some on the move dribble action. The Lakers have more flex with their options now, with this play. They almost never went to Dwight/McGee on the move, and instead waited for when they were at the rim. With both Trez and Gasol, you can trust them with the ball a bit earlier on the move after setting a screen. This gives your offense more unpredictability and harder to defend. Also so far, Trez is doing as the advanced stats showed, he is a good shot challenger and rim protection guy on defense.

It was fun watching the Clippers full strength unit look a little out of sorts against a Lakers bench and supporting cast that looked very well together. It is preseason, but it shows you how one team may have put the parts in place a lot better and has that fluid teamwork you need from ring teams.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject:

That was fun. And so great to see "Gasol -- " in the T&R again! Deja vu.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 am    Post subject:

Thanks, DB!

If THT becomes a rotation player, they'll need to rescind Lawrence Frank's EOY and retask it to Pelinka.

Last Laker 2nd round gem was . . . Mark Gasol . . . but we've also had NVE.

But looking at the impact of 2nd round picks like Mark Price, Gilbert Arenas, Manu Ginobili, Cliff Robinson, Draymond, Jokic, etc., it may be the Lakers turn to crow about another genius pick in that round.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject:

Opening night is going to be a war. The Clip’s aren’t going to want to be embarrassed (again). It should be fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:56 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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